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Originally posted by mccollums
a few other thoughts...

I do agree with RK.. builds are important .. but AI is more important. Guzz and Jackson did a GREAT job when they took over the Maine AI.

Luck plays a part in alot of seasons too. I squeeked by a few games early in my Gold career that should have been losses.. and the game is based on football w/ auto adjust... best team doesn't always win and sometimes the best AI doesn't win.

Finally something we agree on. A good example would be S20 when they nerfed the running game. A lot of our backs were built to run or block so it was a liability. I also remember you building a strength LB which was completely useless and I ended up using him as STOP (special team only player). It was the same season I had to cut 3 inactive players middle of the season.

Looking back now that’s the season I put most time on game planning. There was one game I didn’t game plan and not coincidentally, that’s the only significant game we lost that season. The game was scheduled like 3 hours after our final game. I personally don’t think our builds were all that great that season. It was optimized for S19 not S20.

Yeah and I agree, guzz and jackson are awesome!

Originally posted by A.I.
I for one would love to see you come back. One obvious way to revive the competition level in pee wee is having some of the top owners and coordinators return. I wasn't any where near good enough to play in gold back in those days, so I know you wont know me but I did keep an eye on gold and watched a ton of the games and not to mention admired how talented everyone was.


I think it's little bit too late now to revive the league.

Also, I'm not so sure about top owners and coordinators returning because it's actually one of the reason that killed PW gold. The learning curve is pretty steep and a lot of agents quit because they were hit by a brick wall.

It's good to see there are people like you that still care but i'm not optimistic. Before it was easy to recruit PW players outside of our league but that's not even possible anymore with GLB as a whole dying.

Does RK get any credit for S24 Crackertown... sure. why not,

I found the S20, the HB I was talking about.. he was 87/45. I opened his build, http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2299980 ......... he does not have cEQ on, so add +6 to his speed. This was BEFORE accelerated player dev.... the higher agility backs were more consistent running the ball... but having different HBs types of HBs was a strength... I remember this play from the official tourney... where the speed worked. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1574581&pbp_id=12850454 Remember, in S19 the best back on Crackertown was Cracka Attacka, he was 80.5 speed 61.5 agility. He was a STUD.

I'm not sure I agree with you on the tide was turning in S19... Maine and Crackertown did meet in the playoffs http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1506917 I do agree that Maine having multiple agents made it tougher... but I believe that Maine's builds got better after we combined our build knowledge. The reason I wanted to join Maine was two fold, I didn't want to game plan anymore and after scouting Maine for that game I was so impressed with your AI that I knew if we combined build knowledge, Maine would be unstoppable. Even though the score was 35-10, your AI was really really good. Crackertown just had everything fall their way in that game. The coaching you did in S20 was PHENOMENAL - considering the agents issues and my semi-useless strength LB ( LOL, not my fault Bort nerfed running...) I know it sounds shitty now, but I didn't post the Crabs influence thing to take anything away from Maine or from you, Jackson, or Guzz. I just wanted to put a different spin on a thread I could never be apart of because of me jumping from team to team.

Totally, Totally disagree on the S25 thing. the sim was completely different from S24 to S25 - also, 6 of my 8 CB builds were experimental - and the most important thing was, I didn't have a good handle on that sim.

btw- I just found the S21 Maine spreadsheet I improved on that HB build and had a 87/47 that season. All of Maine's HBs were super fast that season. speed ruled back then because it was a Scat back, short pass dominated league. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2356373


Here's a couple of builds from S24 Crackertown... that was the first season of accelerated player dev, so I'm sure I could build a little more efficiently now since that was my first crack at it. Has Bort changed anything with player dev since then?

All players are not wearing cEQ, add +6 to their primary

HBs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184903
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184904
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184905

TE
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184927

speed WR - speaking of WRs, I actually liked Boendby's WRs better that season. They weren't as fast, but my guess is that they were 80 speed 60 agility and they had GREAT acceleration and were tough to cover on slants because of it.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184931

speed and a little more agility WR
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184932

DT
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184939

coverage LB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184949

CB-
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2184961

S25 CBs were completely different. I had 6 CBs with 30+ catching and mid 50s vision - I wanted to see if vision and catching would get more INTs ... it did a little bit, but it wasn't worth the points and they were not that good at covering. The other 2 CBS were studs and would have been the way I built my CBs from now on... they both had 61 agility .. can't remember their speed..

Oh yeah... here's one of my tricks on QBs... I used advanced EQ to get extra pump fake without spending all the skill points int he SA tree. I saved up BTs to buy a +2 in pump fake... so I only had to go 2, 3, 6 on skill points.. I never retired him after S25, so don't pay attention to the level or skill points on his primaries.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2529134

another example of that with a test player
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2482088



Back to our conversation... This sums it up
Originally posted by RaphaneKnight


Pre-gold league era= Short Bus Crew
1st half of the gold league era=Crabs and co
2nd half of gold league era= Maine and co

Hello mccollums again!Okay it's good to see that you are on a more mutual respect stance Instead of the "woulda" won everything with dony stance.

But I'll have to stick to my stance of you overestimating your influence. The thing is I don't even have the spread sheets you sent me so I don't even remember every exact builds of yours. You seems to have everything we discussed which means it had a greater influence on you than me.

There isn't a single build where I would go "wow that build looks good, I'll adopt it". It's based on logical thinking and logical decisions based on the previous season sim I have been always unbiased to this approach. It's why our builds went from the most run heavy/run stopping smash mouth football to the most explosive pass heavy abusive style of football in S25. You seem to neglect how different some of our builds were and only focus on the ones that seem similar. It's PW what do you think? There is a limit of what you can do and some are obvious. You want me to intentionally make builds so it would look different to yours although we were somehow on the same page in certain positions. lol

I remember how your S19 crackertown d-linemen were exact identical to the S18 Maine grenadiers. Did I somehow go to the future and took your builds as well? It was where I tried to crank up the strength highest I can while being able to 1st cap agility. I was surprised how identical some of the builds were. (hit me with a PM and I'll link you the builds if you don't believe me. I don't like revealing any builds in the public) They were exact identical.

Obviously I came up with a completely different one in S19 for BNI (still my favorite d-linemen) and again big changes for S20-S25 (to adopt to passing sim) which I believe blew your builds away. I’ll be honest I never liked your D-linemen along with your strength LB! (just friendly jab ) It was good but I felt it was outdated.

Your LB/CB, I had almost similar builds with the philosophers in S19 although it didn't have the speed (obviously since it was no/no). Go check the earlier games of philosophers and I do it exactly how you did with crackertown where I would focus on vision first and then go on agility later. In fact I've been saying this to Jackson all the way back in S18 how vision was more important for coordinators that knew how to positioned their dot properly.

It wasn't even that far off with Maine unless u think there is actually a big difference between 45/45 and 40/50. In fact we went back to mixing with agility/vision=1:1 ratioish of my style from S22 and on and obviously the infamous S25. (I thought that was superior) I did experiment with jumping in S18, S19 with maine which our agents couldn't keep it up. I wanted a 45/45/40 (agility/vision/jumping) build but that's not an easy build to pull of and I think I was the only one that pulled it off while others failed and it became a mess. And it was back when running game was a factor and other attributes meant something. In a pass heavy sim what else do you focus on other than speed/agility/vision? I was going to drop jumping since although it helped against the pass I had to sacrifice some speed to do it and I felt it wasn't worth it. I'm pretty sure everyone eventually ended up focusing on those three attributes unless they are super slow catching up with things. When legster build a player for us later he had an almost exact identical build.


We can have this talk all day but again I just don’t see how someone that has been absent throughout the entire 6 months of our dynasty run can claim piece of the pie.

bla bla bla, no one cares anymore about pee wee or all the has beens, why don't you guys help us get to World League and win something meaningful

Also, let’s go back to memory lane but I don't think you fully understand how Maine and co worked.. Back in S18-S19 we developed a program to expand our team outside of Maine. We had 3 big teams obviously, Maine, BNI, and BSBR. BSBR was pretty much all magic mike and he decided to go for an all passing team. BNI inherited the previous Maine team of being a smash mouth football team. Maine went with a balanced approach which I never really tried in previous seasons. It was an experimental type team which was riddled with bad builds since we had a lot of agents not to mention some of them being our competitors so I couldn't even send out build plans for a lot of them.

BNI is result of the previous 5 seasons of Maine experience. It was heir apparent. I gave that spot to BNI simply because I thought I owe SHINK. It would have been a jackass move if I used him as a semi-experimental team when he has always made the most players for Maine and decided to build 70% of the players for BNI. It was also his last season so I didn’t want to let him down.

When we were PMing back then I even told SHINK that his team had the best chance.

We didn’t even have a punter in that S18 Maine’s team something that was crucial to our field position football in the previous Season. I just don’t like making excuses but even that team went toe to toe with your team. The score is misleading since I didn’t have punter and we were crushed in field position. Check the boxscore, it was evenly matched.

I don’t think your team would have had even the slightest chance against BNI. SOA had the most dominating O-line. They were pretty much unstoppable running from the single back formation. You forgot to mention how badly they shredded your D-line. Only BNI’s D-line were able to keep up them. Your biggest mistake that season was neglecting the run game. Maine didn’t have problem running against your team. BNI, which were built to run would have had a field day.

Also you were having trouble adjusting to the dynamic offensive games that season. . I would put you along with Jackson as the two best DC I’ve ever seen but you had no idea stopping a lot of the exploit plays. You even sent me a PM literally revealing your CB/LB builds and asking me what went wrong. lol Wish I still had that PM. Not only I knew how to stop those plays, I was hiding it on my own so I can use it later. Which at the end of the day was BNI’s run to the championship. I disagree with your disagreement. Tide was turning and I don’t even have the slightest doubt.

BTW: When are we going to stop this essay vs essay replies It’s all good though since I think these are all good reads. This forum is ghost town anyway and I guess it’s a good opportunity for the aspiring coords to get a glimpse of how some of the very best owner/coordinators come up with their plans.

BTW2: I still think mccollums is the man and the amount of respect I have him won’t change although he is giving me a hard time here lol

Originally posted by LordEvil
bla bla bla, no one cares anymore about GLB

There corrected for ya

Originally posted by RaphaneKnight
There corrected for ya

pretty much...lol

Didn't mean to give you a hard time RK.... like I said, just putting a different spin on the thread. I did think our build conversations were mutually benefiical, but since I did not do any AI - i can't claim a part of the pie... You're right on that.

I remember the S19 Crackertown CB PM - that build was a little different from my other CB builds. They were still good CBs ... the other thing I remember is sending you S17 goats builds too. Even if they weren't mind blowing, it's still nice to see another top teams builds and see how that particular build performed... S17 Goats were light years ahead of every other team that season - we definitely would have had a chance to repeat in S18, but once again I was burned out and needed a break.

my original intention on the thread was to jokingly say Crabs were #1, then I got caught up in the history... funny thing is, I don't think anyone cares ..hee hee. We both had our runs of dominant teams and we both came back later and won a championship.... too bad the game is so expensive and WAY too time consuming.. .or maybe we would still be playing and not get burned out so easiily.

cheaper game and games once a week - then I would consider coming back.

Originally posted by mccollums
WAY too time consuming.. .or maybe we would still be playing and not get burned out so easiily.

This is why FG is so good. No other team has been as consistent for as long with no breaks or down seasons. I have always been good, but only great twice and honestly my best seasons were not the two that I won gold actually, but in season 16 and 26 where I lost to Crackertown and Sons of Anarchy respectively after beating them in the regular season. I have never burned out though and in fact I have FG signed up through season 37, so I'll still be around for at least 7 seasons after this one.

Originally posted by jkid2
This is why FG is so good. No other team has been as consistent for as long with no breaks or down seasons. I have always been good, but only great twice and honestly my best seasons were not the two that I won gold actually, but in season 16 and 26 where I lost to Crackertown and Sons of Anarchy respectively after beating them in the regular season. I have never burned out though and in fact I have FG signed up through season 37, so I'll still be around for at least 7 seasons after this one.

A HOF package will do that to ya

Originally posted by mccollums
Didn't mean to give you a hard time RK.... like I said, just putting a different spin on the thread. I did think our build conversations were mutually benefiical, but since I did not do any AI - i can't claim a part of the pie... You're right on that.

I remember the S19 Crackertown CB PM - that build was a little different from my other CB builds. They were still good CBs ... the other thing I remember is sending you S17 goats builds too. Even if they weren't mind blowing, it's still nice to see another top teams builds and see how that particular build performed... S17 Goats were light years ahead of every other team that season - we definitely would have had a chance to repeat in S18, but once again I was burned out and needed a break.

my original intention on the thread was to jokingly say Crabs were #1, then I got caught up in the history... funny thing is, I don't think anyone cares ..hee hee. We both had our runs of dominant teams and we both came back later and won a championship.... too bad the game is so expensive and WAY too time consuming.. .or maybe we would still be playing and not get burned out so easiily.

cheaper game and games once a week - then I would consider coming back.

No hard feelings here as well. It was actually fun going back in memory lane and talk about the past time I think the respect is mutual. I know I brought out the S25 game as if I had the last laugh but that was just a friendly poke. I think if we faced each other in our absolute peak of our career I would say we are dead even at 50/50.

I agree the game is just too expensive. It's impossible to win the gold without spending money and the more you spend the more advantage you have. However the S19~S20 with the philosophers team was a memorable experience. It was a no/no team but I was able to beat dozens of top notch boosted teams. It was one of those nelson muntz -point finger- "Ah Ha!" moments for me. lol Anyways, I don't think I'll ever be back. This game no longer interests me. I only come here to check on my old friends.

Originally posted by jkid2
This is why FG is so good. No other team has been as consistent for as long with no breaks or down seasons. I have always been good, but only great twice and honestly my best seasons were not the two that I won gold actually, but in season 16 and 26 where I lost to Crackertown and Sons of Anarchy respectively after beating them in the regular season. I have never burned out though and in fact I have FG signed up through season 37, so I'll still be around for at least 7 seasons after this one.

I'm not even sure if GLB will exist in S37. Bort really needs to make some drastic changes to bring in new blood. The game itself is on life support at the moment. It's a shame since unlike most of you guys I'm actually big Bort fan I think he is a genius but not exactly an astute businessman. That was his downfall.

A lot of us have predicted this would happened, he just didn't listen.

Originally posted by LordEvil
A HOF package will do that to ya

It's been 3 actually

Originally posted by RaphaneKnight
I'm not even sure if GLB will exist in S37. Bort really needs to make some drastic changes to bring in new blood. The game itself is on life support at the moment. It's a shame since unlike most of you guys I'm actually big Bort fan I think he is a genius but not exactly an astute businessman. That was his downfall.

A lot of us have predicted this would happened, he just didn't listen.

I agree actually, GLB is in trouble and there aren't enough people like me to keep it alive.

Bort has to make this game cheaper. It's just crazy how expensive it is. When you can buy Madden or NCAA for 60$ and create a league and play for months - his price point is too high. I haven't bought Madden in a while, but I remember when the PC version had Coach Mode. It was great, you call the plays and let the players perform...eliminated all the cheese. dony and I were in an online league and it was fun as hell.

step 1 - lower the price

Next thing he needs to do is create a free version of GLB for facebook - maybe a 7 on 7 or something like that.. get people interested in building players and the strategy behind the game ( maybe make the strategy simple like Super Tecmo Bowl) and then funnel people to the pay site for the full game.

another thing I would like to see is a coordinator's league.... all teams have the exact same dots. Each season they change up the teams with different strengths/weaknesses.. and the coaches have to adjust. Maybe base it on a level 40 dot.... if that sounds to restrictive.. then you could have a choice of a few different teams - ... would make for a fun sim. Since this does not have any dot building - you could have an every other day league... one game every 4 days league.. etc..etc..