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Originally posted by ManOgwaR
yeah I think as far as coordinating goes ...they can't really be compared coz they are worlds apart! ...but give the elite peewee gold coordinators the same team builds(any level) as the elite WL team coordinators and the reputations of the elite WL coordinators would take a serious battering!

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One more thing is that the WL/PL Ds are mainly about finding the exploit blitzes and PW/lower levels are about finding the exploit passes.

They are worlds apart, but I see PW coordinators being able to do better in upper levels than upper level guys can do in PW.

Once I win a title (could be 2014 ), I'll try to go into the WL/PLs and see what its like up there

Originally posted by RaphaneKnight
Getting little ahead of yourself? You are not a WL guy, you are closer to a PW guy. You played in PW for like 7-8 seasons and only 2 seasons in WL. Your earlier seasons in PW gold was not very good and probably worse than you were in WL. I know I poke fun of Gerr all the time but that's for chuckles and giggles but the fact is you haven't really won anything until you merged with the 85' Bears.

This is the only thing I agree with Gerr on anything but he is right, I never seen a WL guy do well. In fact they normally do horribly since they just don't know how things work in PW and coordinating plays a larger role here. My take (this is to everyone): it's just different, can't objectively say which is better. I think PW requires a lot more skills but that's just me.

LOL are we going to have the same conversation we did before S20????

First I don't consider myself a WL guy or talent. Hence the phrase "depends on what you consider WL talent. But If....." To me if you can stay in the WL for a season and not get demoted then you consider yourself WL talent.

Second I didn't completely run the pimps from the beginning through second half of S19. Chiwanna did most of the work. I ran the defense but with little effort. I played with the custom plays between games. But did very little scouting and/or gameplanning (and the defense was horrible). S18 was fluke. In that we were just messing around. Decided to go deep at WR and throw the ball all the time. Turned out S18 was the season of the pass. But that was just dumb luck. I was spending most of my time on the Pro/WL team. Then in S19 halfway through when it was obvious we were not doing anything in the WL and we were going to demote and start over. I started paying attention to Peewee and took over both OC and DC on the Pimps.

Third Gerr said a WL Coor couldn't take a team far (not win everything). I would consider having arguably the second best Pee Wee team pretty damn far. Since the only team we lost to in the Addicts Tourney, The GLB tourney, and the Gold playoffs was Maine. Who obviously was the best team. While doing everything. Then follow that up with Addicts Tourney championship, GLB Tourney Championship, and another Gold league final as on OC. I would say that is pretty far.

Fourth I am pretty sure the 85 Bears had not won anything (at least not recently) until I showed up. So implying that I rode Gerr's coat tails to anything is ridiculous. The fact is I had the exact same success on the Bears in S21 as I did on the Pimps in S20. We just didn't run into Maine in the tourneys......

So if a Pro Talent Cooridinator can have that kind of success in PW I am pretty sure the WL guys could too if they tried.

WL >>> than PW Gold but that is just my opinion.

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
yeah I think as far as coordinating goes ...they can't really be compared coz they are worlds apart! ...but give the elite peewee gold coordinators the same team builds(any level) as the elite WL team coordinators and the reputations of the elite WL coordinators would take a serious battering!

Maybe so but so would the reverse. GIve a WL coordinator the same team builds as the an elite Pee Wee team. Then they would do just fine in Pee Wee and probably be in the hunt for a championship. It would probably take them a season to work out the differences as it would probably take a Pee Wee coor the same time to work out the differences in the WL

As McCollums said in another thread. This game is not that difficult once you figure out the basic concepts. And good Coor at any level have done that. So good Coor's can probably be successful at any level. However, I do think the WL is tougher just because there are more options available.

Originally posted by Bevo05
Maybe so but so would the reverse. GIve a WL coordinator the same team builds as the an elite Pee Wee team. Then they would do just fine in Pee Wee and probably be in the hunt for a championship. It would probably take them a season to work out the differences as it would probably take a Pee Wee coor the same time to work out the differences in the WL

As McCollums said in another thread. This game is not that difficult once you figure out the basic concepts. And good Coor at any level have done that. So good Coor's can probably be successful at any level. However, I do think the WL is tougher just because there are more options available.

I can see where the tagging could be a pain in the arse in the WL... I know that my D AI has gotten insanely complicated before.. too the point that is was hard to adjust from game to game because I was starting to get scatter brained... I remember one game where I had Passing, Combo, Rusher QBs tagged along with HB and Receiving HB, and Blocking , Combo, and Receiving TEs tagged in most formations. Then add my First, Second, 3rd/4th short, long yardage inputs.....The World league has the potential to have many many more combinations than that. I do think I could keep it more organized now though, with user and team AI ... my problem was always sorting through WAY too many custom Ds.

Just from goofing around with Jstrong's cap 22 team.. I know my Pee Wee Defenses work fine (with a little tweaking) up until Level 28-30ish... then they start to break down... Since I haven't really been watching many sims the last few seasons, I didn't spend the time to update them and try my hand at Level 30 and up sims.

Originally posted by Bevo05
Originally posted by ManOgwaR

yeah I think as far as coordinating goes ...they can't really be compared coz they are worlds apart! ...but give the elite peewee gold coordinators the same team builds(any level) as the elite WL team coordinators and the reputations of the elite WL coordinators would take a serious battering!

Maybe so but so would the reverse. GIve a WL coordinator the same team builds as the an elite Pee Wee team. Then they would do just fine in Pee Wee and probably be in the hunt for a championship. It would probably take them a season to work out the differences as it would probably take a Pee Wee coor the same time to work out the differences in the WL

As McCollums said in another thread. This game is not that difficult once you figure out the basic concepts. And good Coor at any level have done that. So good Coor's can probably be successful at any level. However, I do think the WL is tougher just because there are more options available.

LOL @ bevo the WL advocate!

...when I say 'any level', I mean peewee level also in that ...the reason I say that is that I think that peewee coords have learned to be a bit more versatile with the ever changing sims and the massive differences in behaviour a dot has as it progresses through the season at such a low level, and of course, most of the peewee elite have dabbled in the higher leagues, so they have a fair idea of the differences, whereas WL coords lol @ 'lolpeewee' ...this is why imo they would struggle to adjust to the differences ...I'm not saying that they wouldn't be able to adjust, but it would take them some time before they worked it all out! ...I'm sure that they would work it all out, but as far as reps go, peewee coords have nothing to lose coz they are 'lolpeewee', whereas WL coords are revered and respected as 'the best' in this game, which would mean that only breaking even with the peewee elite would be fail ie: battered reputations!

Well, whatever team decides to go CPU next season should post in the WL forum and offer their Gold team up to be run by WL talent....Similar to what I'm doing this season with Twin Peaks. They can build the roster themselves, or recruit their WL buddies to build dots for them.

Then the debate over which league is tougher could have a basis of comparison instead of all the crap that goes back and forth.

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
Well, whatever team decides to go CPU next season should post in the WL forum and offer their Gold team up to be run by WL talent....Similar to what I'm doing this season with Twin Peaks. They can build the roster themselves, or recruit their WL buddies to build dots for them.

Then the debate over which league is tougher could have a basis of comparison instead of all the crap that goes back and forth.

Wouldn't happen. As ManOgwaR stated most WL'ers lol@lolpeewee and wouldn't put forth the effort even given the opportunity.

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
LOL @ bevo the WL advocate!


Not an advocate but facts are facts. The vast majority of GLB strives to get to the WL. Therefore the competition to get there is much more fierce just based on numbers alone. So it is not a stretch to say those that compete and stay at the WL level have a pretty good understanding of this game. And to translate to Pee Wee is not that big a leap as some think it is.

I have never understood why Pee Wee gets so up in arms about the upper leagues lolpeewee or "looks" down upon peewee. Who cares what they think. I don't play pee wee to get any validation from those guys. I play because it is entertaining. I really like the one and done concept. If Bort could figure out a way to do it at a higher level (say level 40) I think it would be very popular....

If I somehow got involved with upper level dots before Pee Wee.. I probably wouldn't mess with Pee Wee because of the speed of the game. I would think it would be difficult to watch Pee Wee games if you got used to Minors, Pro, WL games. I have difficulty watching any sims now until Level 8 or above.

You know that feeling you get when you're cruising on the internet at 80 and you hit a construction zone??? And you slow down to 60ish.. probably the same feeling or worse watching Pee Wee if you're used to fast dots.

I know Bort has mentioned he would like to figure out a way to fast track the players.. I would like to see a creation of the dot.. simulate the build until Level 10, then start your career.... Level 10 would start Pee Wee and Rookie leagues. You guys have to admit...the first part of the pee wee season is pretty rough to watch.

Originally posted by Bevo05
Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors

Well, whatever team decides to go CPU next season should post in the WL forum and offer their Gold team up to be run by WL talent....Similar to what I'm doing this season with Twin Peaks. They can build the roster themselves, or recruit their WL buddies to build dots for them.

Then the debate over which league is tougher could have a basis of comparison instead of all the crap that goes back and forth.

Wouldn't happen. As ManOgwaR stated most WL'ers lol@lolpeewee and wouldn't put forth the effort even given the opportunity.

...it seems that you have this need to undermine my posts ...dude learn to read before you try using me as reference! ...I tire of you misinterpreting me to suit your underhanded attacks!

...I don't create these threads, but I do comment with my opinions which aren't about kissing ass and jostling for position in the ranks! ...and my motivation for these posts are not about belittling anyone here ...I contribute to laying down the foundations for a challenger to step forward and try to take the peewee elite on! ...when I say peewee elite, I in no way consider myself as a part of that, in fact there are only a few that I consider to be in this group (whose names I will not put forward ~ you guys know who you are! ) ...although I can imagine that the challenger that may try to step forward, will have plenty of assistance from the peewee knowledge base coz it is easy to attain, and many gold coords/agents would be keen to endear themselves to the GLB elite and cop a feel for some WL peen! ...so it may not be just the WL skills on show if the WL elite ever did try to bless us with their presence in gold, but still it would be entertaining to witness the results!

maybe you should try rereading that or restating yourself... because I'm pretty sure he used a direct quote to say the same thing you said (obviously as it was a direct quote)

wtf are u smoking, gimme some?

Originally posted by Bevo05
LOL are we going to have the same conversation we did before S20????

First I don't consider myself a WL guy or talent. Hence the phrase "depends on what you consider WL talent. But If....." To me if you can stay in the WL for a season and not get demoted then you consider yourself WL talent.

Second I didn't completely run the pimps from the beginning through second half of S19. Chiwanna did most of the work. I ran the defense but with little effort. I played with the custom plays between games. But did very little scouting and/or gameplanning (and the defense was horrible). S18 was fluke. In that we were just messing around. Decided to go deep at WR and throw the ball all the time. Turned out S18 was the season of the pass. But that was just dumb luck. I was spending most of my time on the Pro/WL team. Then in S19 halfway through when it was obvious we were not doing anything in the WL and we were going to demote and start over. I started paying attention to Peewee and took over both OC and DC on the Pimps.

Third Gerr said a WL Coor couldn't take a team far (not win everything). I would consider having arguably the second best Pee Wee team pretty damn far. Since the only team we lost to in the Addicts Tourney, The GLB tourney, and the Gold playoffs was Maine. Who obviously was the best team. While doing everything. Then follow that up with Addicts Tourney championship, GLB Tourney Championship, and another Gold league final as on OC. I would say that is pretty far.

Fourth I am pretty sure the 85 Bears had not won anything (at least not recently) until I showed up. So implying that I rode Gerr's coat tails to anything is ridiculous. The fact is I had the exact same success on the Bears in S21 as I did on the Pimps in S20. We just didn't run into Maine in the tourneys......

So if a Pro Talent Cooridinator can have that kind of success in PW I am pretty sure the WL guys could too if they tried.

WL >>> than PW Gold but that is just my opinion.

A lot of people think chiwanna is your multi though Probably not but I'm thinking you know him in real life or possibly a family member. I remember you clearly saying you do everything for Pimps and this was the first time you mention this so I'm just not going to buy it, AGAIN. Just like I don't buy people saying they don't take this seriously or just didn't have the time etc etc blah blah. We already discussed this already but I'm just going to judge it on how I see it and the fact is you tried but just weren't good enough until S20. That's only one good season and I don't know how you can spin that around, especially when you were one of the few teams that had luxury of building all the players plus boost/CE. You were in an opposite situation in WL where you had build disadvantage. You take that into consideration, you actually did worse in PW in your first 3 seasons in gold.

The point was that you didn't have a say in here because you are not a WL guy. Besides you are getting ahead of yourself with one good season: in a bigger picture can't call that success. As for S21, sorry you'll always be overshadowed by Gerr with 85 Bears. I try to give you some credit but you confirmed on your own it was you who wanted to join and then you pretty much put the nail in the coffin when you admitted you couldn't figure out Gerr's lolTIA no/no team. Can't have it both way now that the argument is different.

Can a WL guy come down here with his WL knowledge and have immediate success? Never seen one and probably never will. They have to take your routes and actually become a PW guy and go through 7-8 seasons of trials and errors to even have a chance.

Originally posted by Bevo05
Not an advocate but facts are facts. The vast majority of GLB strives to get to the WL. Therefore the competition to get there is much more fierce just based on numbers alone. So it is not a stretch to say those that compete and stay at the WL level have a pretty good understanding of this game. And to translate to Pee Wee is not that big a leap as some think it is.

I have never understood why Pee Wee gets so up in arms about the upper leagues lolpeewee or "looks" down upon peewee. Who cares what they think. I don't play pee wee to get any validation from those guys. I play because it is entertaining. I really like the one and done concept. If Bort could figure out a way to do it at a higher level (say level 40) I think it would be very popular....


Hardly the case, it's only your boy Gerr who is always defensive and get heavily offended. Most pw guys don't really care. The ones that initiate the WL vs PW debate are the upper league guys and they get really angry for whatever reason. Maybe their failure in PW has a lot to do with it. I only reply when there is a debate like this just to educate the delusional masses.

By the way, I actually like WL and is why I decided to build a player for sigmike but like you said fact is fact. WL will always remain a build oriented league where the guy with the biggest flex muscle and cookie cutter builds prevail over superior game planning. I'm not saying builds don't have any affect in PW but it's quite the opposite of WL, that also won't change.

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
Well, whatever team decides to go CPU next season should post in the WL forum and offer their Gold team up to be run by WL talent....Similar to what I'm doing this season with Twin Peaks. They can build the roster themselves, or recruit their WL buddies to build dots for them.

Then the debate over which league is tougher could have a basis of comparison instead of all the crap that goes back and forth.

Originally posted by Bevo05
Wouldn't happen. As ManOgwaR stated most WL'ers lol@lolpeewee and wouldn't put forth the effort even given the opportunity.

It has already been done plenty of times in the past and then they go on with their excuses on how they didn't care and other predictable responses. Nobody buys into that stuff. Good thing duffman was actually man enough to admit that he was going to try his best before his big PW gold failure. We all know that, he didn't go to disney land and that all the other players in that team ended up being multis. He just rage quit after that first game because he couldn't take the heat.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1556029

By the way the official guys are like legends in upper league but we know how that ended. This wasn't the first time since they got beat by a similar score against BNI when they were in silver. His builds were superb, that was expected from someone with his flex money but he still wasn't good enough. I know people complain about the slowness in PW but it's the slowness that makes game planning a lot more difficult. If you have fast, speedy, smart players that can make plays across the field, it makes coordinating that much easier. Again, it's clear to me that WL and PW are the two most competitive league in GLB. It's just preference, choose what you like. I choose PW based on the facts I stated.