semerang wanted to avoid scoring over 100 all season so they would lull the first team they played into a false sense of security
gg, nicely done
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Originally posted by zero
I'm one of the believers that it is the same sim, it's just you have 8 games to get a stupid sim game based on morale/ints/whatever, and the likelihood of a sim game is somewhere around 1/8 I'd say. Especially when such good teams go up against each other - an extreme is, unfortunately, bound to come out sooner or later, and it happens at least once or twice in the playoffs.
Not to take away from Indy, though, cause you guys have a great team. Better luck next year I guess
True. During the reg season these games happen all the time but since there are 16 and generally not super important do or die, plus people assume some aren't trying as much no one says anything. But in the playoffs with only 8 games in the 1st rd and teams throwing a lot of curve balls things get put under a microscope more. I think the same sim
I'm one of the believers that it is the same sim, it's just you have 8 games to get a stupid sim game based on morale/ints/whatever, and the likelihood of a sim game is somewhere around 1/8 I'd say. Especially when such good teams go up against each other - an extreme is, unfortunately, bound to come out sooner or later, and it happens at least once or twice in the playoffs.
Not to take away from Indy, though, cause you guys have a great team. Better luck next year I guess
True. During the reg season these games happen all the time but since there are 16 and generally not super important do or die, plus people assume some aren't trying as much no one says anything. But in the playoffs with only 8 games in the 1st rd and teams throwing a lot of curve balls things get put under a microscope more. I think the same sim
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imo we got beat...nothing to do with the sim. great game plan.
Indy first game vs semarang was actually a lot closer than the score...our returner went off for 4 scores, we got 8 turnovers to their 2...their offense moved the ball the entire game but eventually we would pick it.
We had at least 5 comebacks from down 14 or more during the regular season...2 of those by 21+. Felt very fortunate to run off a 16-0 regular season...finally just caught up with us this game...never got that game changing play to shift the morale in the game and I give Semerang the credit...they patched up their STs and made the right calls in the passing game and we did not get the INTs late.
Indy first game vs semarang was actually a lot closer than the score...our returner went off for 4 scores, we got 8 turnovers to their 2...their offense moved the ball the entire game but eventually we would pick it.
We had at least 5 comebacks from down 14 or more during the regular season...2 of those by 21+. Felt very fortunate to run off a 16-0 regular season...finally just caught up with us this game...never got that game changing play to shift the morale in the game and I give Semerang the credit...they patched up their STs and made the right calls in the passing game and we did not get the INTs late.
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Good season regardless, indy. The playoffs are just brutal in WL. Bort says it's the same sim but always some zany results.
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
Good season regardless, indy. The playoffs are just brutal in WL. Bort says it's the same sim but always some zany results.
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
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Originally posted by PP
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
i dont ever remember him actually saying that confidence played more of a role in the playoffs. I do know that was always largely the feeling tho from the VA HOAC.
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
i dont ever remember him actually saying that confidence played more of a role in the playoffs. I do know that was always largely the feeling tho from the VA HOAC.
Originally posted by PP
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
I am 100% certain that Bort said that it is the same sim and that confidence plays exactly the same part. I asked him that specific question once.
I'd swap "great" for "good" in the first sentence. I'm 99% sure that Bort has said that it's the same sim, but that confidence plays a bigger role. That may not seem like that big of a deal, but remember mentor gate? Weird shit happens at times when things change. That's not a comment either way on the Indy/Semarang game, just a general comment on the PO sim debate.
I am 100% certain that Bort said that it is the same sim and that confidence plays exactly the same part. I asked him that specific question once.
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Originally posted by cavalier
I am 100% certain that Bort said that it is the same sim and that confidence plays exactly the same part. I asked him that specific question once.
Yup. He said that confidence likely plays a bigger role in the playoffs because the teams should theoretically be closer in quality, so things like confidence can make the difference, but he's stated many times that it is the exact same sim. I have no reason to doubt that, as we see idiotic results during the regular season too. The problem isn't a different playoff sim or how much confidence matters, but rather the inherent design which creates cascade effects where a small series of events leads to a feedback loop producing unstoppable momentum.
I am 100% certain that Bort said that it is the same sim and that confidence plays exactly the same part. I asked him that specific question once.
Yup. He said that confidence likely plays a bigger role in the playoffs because the teams should theoretically be closer in quality, so things like confidence can make the difference, but he's stated many times that it is the exact same sim. I have no reason to doubt that, as we see idiotic results during the regular season too. The problem isn't a different playoff sim or how much confidence matters, but rather the inherent design which creates cascade effects where a small series of events leads to a feedback loop producing unstoppable momentum.
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Originally posted by bhall43
i dont ever remember him actually saying that confidence played more of a role in the playoffs. I do know that was always largely the feeling tho from the VA HOAC.
I'm p damn sure it went something like this:
Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
Edit: If you guys are so sure, I believe ya. I must be remembering it wrong.
i dont ever remember him actually saying that confidence played more of a role in the playoffs. I do know that was always largely the feeling tho from the VA HOAC.
I'm p damn sure it went something like this:
Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
Edit: If you guys are so sure, I believe ya. I must be remembering it wrong.
Edited by PP on Oct 26, 2010 07:54:19
Originally posted by PP
I'm p damn sure it went something like this:
Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
I think you are wrong here PP. Not sure of course, only Bort knows, but I don't think there is anything called "big games" in terms of the sim
I'm p damn sure it went something like this:
Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
I think you are wrong here PP. Not sure of course, only Bort knows, but I don't think there is anything called "big games" in terms of the sim
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Originally posted by cavalier
I think you are wrong here PP. Not sure of course, only Bort knows, but I don't think there is anything called "big games" in terms of the sim
lol...yeah, see my edit above
I think you are wrong here PP. Not sure of course, only Bort knows, but I don't think there is anything called "big games" in terms of the sim
lol...yeah, see my edit above
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Originally posted by PP
I'm p damn sure it went something like this: Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
It sticks wrongly. I remember exactly what he said, and he made it clear that playoff games are not treated any differently from the regular season, so there is no such thing as a "big game" from the sim's perspective. He just said that confidence could be more important in the playoffs because the teams should be more evenly matched.
I'm p damn sure it went something like this: Confidence plays a larger role in critical plays in a game (assume he meant 3rd & 4th downs, and 2 min drills), as well as in big Games. When asked about the POs, he responded something to the extent of of course PO games are big games. That was forever ago, back when he used to come on the forums, but it sure sticks in my head.
It sticks wrongly. I remember exactly what he said, and he made it clear that playoff games are not treated any differently from the regular season, so there is no such thing as a "big game" from the sim's perspective. He just said that confidence could be more important in the playoffs because the teams should be more evenly matched.
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He said something to the extent of Confidence matters more in closely matched games (likely meaning that the build differences are so minute that the little bit of conf. can be the difference maker) and since playoff games are closely matched games, it may matter more there. But he has said over and over that the sim is exactly the same for every game. There is no playoff sim. It's just a cop out for people who got outgameplanned or just had a bad RNG.
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