Every scrim I have done has the bonus on it
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Originally posted by hays23
Originally posted by Snaza
Please... tell me about ALL the scrims you have heard of being accepted WITH morale effect.
they introduced the feature for a reason. since they did so, every scrimmage i have sent has been with salary-based morale included and i have only had one problem with a team accepting (the smurfs). this season's sim was designed for the salary-based morale, and our team had a specific strategy in place. why would we not want to play all of our games using this strategy?
whoa whoa whoa...
HAD a strategy in place?
Now you REALLY are spinning the bullshit.
You JUST upped their salaries. So your "Strategy" seems iffy. But not a total lie.
You sent us TWO previous scrims that did NOT have player salary morale included, and our owner didn't have to reject them.
And I'm more pissed about MC being banned for bullshit than the scrim thing.
BHW said he sent a new one to be accepted. Therefore not an issue. That was MC's thing.
Originally posted by Snaza
Please... tell me about ALL the scrims you have heard of being accepted WITH morale effect.
they introduced the feature for a reason. since they did so, every scrimmage i have sent has been with salary-based morale included and i have only had one problem with a team accepting (the smurfs). this season's sim was designed for the salary-based morale, and our team had a specific strategy in place. why would we not want to play all of our games using this strategy?
whoa whoa whoa...
HAD a strategy in place?
Now you REALLY are spinning the bullshit.
You JUST upped their salaries. So your "Strategy" seems iffy. But not a total lie.
You sent us TWO previous scrims that did NOT have player salary morale included, and our owner didn't have to reject them.
And I'm more pissed about MC being banned for bullshit than the scrim thing.
BHW said he sent a new one to be accepted. Therefore not an issue. That was MC's thing.
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Originally posted by Snaza
First - an average of the last 20 days INCLUDES today ... so it WOULD affect the sim.
Especially when the scrim wouldn't be for 'today'
Our game is 5 days away... if we had done this today, 15 guys would go from having a morale reserve based off of ~$300,000 to ~$600,000. Wow... HUGE difference!!! Hays... let's catch them off guard!
Like hays said, you guys are the only ones whining about this option. Do you honestly think we tried to pull a fast on you? If so, you're a lot dumber than I had imagined.
First - an average of the last 20 days INCLUDES today ... so it WOULD affect the sim.
Especially when the scrim wouldn't be for 'today'
Our game is 5 days away... if we had done this today, 15 guys would go from having a morale reserve based off of ~$300,000 to ~$600,000. Wow... HUGE difference!!! Hays... let's catch them off guard!
Like hays said, you guys are the only ones whining about this option. Do you honestly think we tried to pull a fast on you? If so, you're a lot dumber than I had imagined.
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Originally posted by Snaza
whoa whoa whoa...
HAD a strategy in place?
Now you REALLY are spinning the bullshit.
You JUST upped their salaries. So your "Strategy" seems iffy. But not a total lie.
You sent us TWO previous scrims that did NOT have player salary morale included, and our owner didn't have to reject them.
And I'm more pissed about MC being banned for bullshit than the scrim thing.
BHW said he sent a new one to be accepted. Therefore not an issue. That was MC's thing.
I wasn't going to crush you dreams and tell you this but we have had this salary distribution since the 2nd game in the preseason. The only 2 adjustments made recently were to 2 WRs....
whoa whoa whoa...
HAD a strategy in place?
Now you REALLY are spinning the bullshit.
You JUST upped their salaries. So your "Strategy" seems iffy. But not a total lie.
You sent us TWO previous scrims that did NOT have player salary morale included, and our owner didn't have to reject them.
And I'm more pissed about MC being banned for bullshit than the scrim thing.
BHW said he sent a new one to be accepted. Therefore not an issue. That was MC's thing.
I wasn't going to crush you dreams and tell you this but we have had this salary distribution since the 2nd game in the preseason. The only 2 adjustments made recently were to 2 WRs....
Edited by tonnyrat on Jun 18, 2010 12:14:29
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Here is the end game summary of our Wk 1 matchup... notice the bolded numbers idiot... oh look! they matchup to the salaries you thought we changed today:
Kenya Diggits vs. Carthage Mad Clash
Pos _ Ply _ Ene _ Mor _ Name
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..C ... .49 ... .86 ... .42 ... Scoobydoobydoo Where are you?
..C ... .47 ... .84 ... .57 ... Matt βirk
..C ... .32 ... .85 ... .64 ... Damian Blackheart
.FB ... .50 ... .51 ... .83 ... Major O'Callaghan
.FB ... .18 ... .80 ... .41 ... Nytro Glycerin
..G ... .61 ... .85 ... .42 ... Willy Guard
..G ... .51 ... .75 ... .50 ... Wanderlei 'The Axe Murderer' Silva
..G ... .43 ... .79 ... .66 ... Angry Little Man
..G ... .37 ... .81 ... .59 ... Double Tap ©
.HB ... .31 ... .67 ... .43 ... Dexter Spiller
.HB ... .30 ... .58 ... .49 ... Snuffa Luffagus
.HB ... .15 ... .84 ... 114 ... LOUISIANA HELLRIDE
.OT ... .53 ... .82 ... .87 ... Leroy Blockbuster
.OT ... .50 ... .72 ... .90 ... Not Suitable For Kids
.OT ... .47 ... .68 ... .58 ... Cardio ™
.OT ... .44 ... .79 ... 123 ... Christopher Partlow
.QB ... .42 ... .85 ... .77 ... Str8 Gunslinger
.QB ... .34 ... .87 ... 122 ... Holy War
.TE ... .43 ... .67 ... .89 ... Jack Berry
.TE ... .42 ... .70 ... .62 ... Big Buck Hunter
.TE ... .35 ... .76 ... .64 ... Christopher Jason Witten
.WR ... .40 ... .73 ... .37 ... Cliff Branch SB XI
.WR ... .37 ... .74 ... .48 ... Cav Man
.WR ... .36 ... .67 ... .42 ... Robert Meacheme
.WR ... .35 ... .68 ... .44 ... Chaz OchoCinco
.WR ... .22 ... .93 ... 111 ... Tom Marvolo Riddle
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.CB ... .40 ... .82 ... 113 ... Rangifer Tarandus Tarandus Humppa
.CB ... .39 ... .81 ... 115 ... Mike Haynes (22)
.CB ... .32 ... .78 ... 113 ... Dick 'Night Train' Lane
.CB ... .30 ... .73 ... 113 ... Sugar Shane Mosley
.CB ... .29 ... .72 ... 113 ... Miley Stewart Cyrus
.CB ... .20 ... .79 ... 113 ... Larry Cox
.CB ... .18 ... .71 ... 123 ... One Eight Seven
.DE ... .33 ... .80 ... 100 ... Reggie 'Minister of Defense' White
.DE ... .31 ... .78 ... .83 ... Vlad The Impailer
.DE ... .26 ... .79 ... 100 ... Jefferson Hamilton
.DE ... .25 ... .75 ... 113 ... Wow That was Easy
.DE ... .22 ... .78 ... 113 ... Gucci
.DT ... .27 ... .94 ... 113 ... Stanforezzi Pallermo
.DT ... .26 ... .94 ... 113 ... Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipovic
.DT ... .24 ... .96 ... 113 ... The Truffle Shuffle
.DT ... .21 ... .96 ... 100 ... Ron "Big Stick" Jeremy
.FS ... .36 ... .85 ... 100 ... Meloku The Clouded Mirror
.FS ... .30 ... .84 ... 113 ... Freddy Norris
.LB ... .34 ... .85 ... 113 ... The Bozworth2
.LB ... .34 ... .78 ... 113 ... Karl 'Helo' Agathon
.LB ... .31 ... .76 ... 113 ... Decleat You
.LB ... .31 ... .93 ... 113 ... Anderson 'The Spider' Silva
.LB ... .28 ... .78 ... 113 ... Deoxyribonucleic Acid
.LB ... .16 ... .76 ... 113 ... Last but not Least
.SS ... .41 ... .87 ... 113 ... Chris "Boomer" Berman
.SS ... .25 ... .84 ... 113 ... Chinese Fingercuffs
.SS ... .13 ... .85 ... 100 ... Cheddar Cheese
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..K ... .19 ... .68 ... 113 ... Finkle Booted It
..P ... .10 ... 100 ... 113 ... My Name Is Eli
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Kenya Diggits vs. Carthage Mad Clash
Pos _ Ply _ Ene _ Mor _ Name
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..C ... .49 ... .86 ... .42 ... Scoobydoobydoo Where are you?
..C ... .47 ... .84 ... .57 ... Matt βirk
..C ... .32 ... .85 ... .64 ... Damian Blackheart
.FB ... .50 ... .51 ... .83 ... Major O'Callaghan
.FB ... .18 ... .80 ... .41 ... Nytro Glycerin
..G ... .61 ... .85 ... .42 ... Willy Guard
..G ... .51 ... .75 ... .50 ... Wanderlei 'The Axe Murderer' Silva
..G ... .43 ... .79 ... .66 ... Angry Little Man
..G ... .37 ... .81 ... .59 ... Double Tap ©
.HB ... .31 ... .67 ... .43 ... Dexter Spiller
.HB ... .30 ... .58 ... .49 ... Snuffa Luffagus
.HB ... .15 ... .84 ... 114 ... LOUISIANA HELLRIDE
.OT ... .53 ... .82 ... .87 ... Leroy Blockbuster
.OT ... .50 ... .72 ... .90 ... Not Suitable For Kids
.OT ... .47 ... .68 ... .58 ... Cardio ™
.OT ... .44 ... .79 ... 123 ... Christopher Partlow
.QB ... .42 ... .85 ... .77 ... Str8 Gunslinger
.QB ... .34 ... .87 ... 122 ... Holy War
.TE ... .43 ... .67 ... .89 ... Jack Berry
.TE ... .42 ... .70 ... .62 ... Big Buck Hunter
.TE ... .35 ... .76 ... .64 ... Christopher Jason Witten
.WR ... .40 ... .73 ... .37 ... Cliff Branch SB XI
.WR ... .37 ... .74 ... .48 ... Cav Man
.WR ... .36 ... .67 ... .42 ... Robert Meacheme
.WR ... .35 ... .68 ... .44 ... Chaz OchoCinco
.WR ... .22 ... .93 ... 111 ... Tom Marvolo Riddle
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.CB ... .40 ... .82 ... 113 ... Rangifer Tarandus Tarandus Humppa
.CB ... .39 ... .81 ... 115 ... Mike Haynes (22)
.CB ... .32 ... .78 ... 113 ... Dick 'Night Train' Lane
.CB ... .30 ... .73 ... 113 ... Sugar Shane Mosley
.CB ... .29 ... .72 ... 113 ... Miley Stewart Cyrus
.CB ... .20 ... .79 ... 113 ... Larry Cox
.CB ... .18 ... .71 ... 123 ... One Eight Seven
.DE ... .33 ... .80 ... 100 ... Reggie 'Minister of Defense' White
.DE ... .31 ... .78 ... .83 ... Vlad The Impailer
.DE ... .26 ... .79 ... 100 ... Jefferson Hamilton
.DE ... .25 ... .75 ... 113 ... Wow That was Easy
.DE ... .22 ... .78 ... 113 ... Gucci
.DT ... .27 ... .94 ... 113 ... Stanforezzi Pallermo
.DT ... .26 ... .94 ... 113 ... Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipovic
.DT ... .24 ... .96 ... 113 ... The Truffle Shuffle
.DT ... .21 ... .96 ... 100 ... Ron "Big Stick" Jeremy
.FS ... .36 ... .85 ... 100 ... Meloku The Clouded Mirror
.FS ... .30 ... .84 ... 113 ... Freddy Norris
.LB ... .34 ... .85 ... 113 ... The Bozworth2
.LB ... .34 ... .78 ... 113 ... Karl 'Helo' Agathon
.LB ... .31 ... .76 ... 113 ... Decleat You
.LB ... .31 ... .93 ... 113 ... Anderson 'The Spider' Silva
.LB ... .28 ... .78 ... 113 ... Deoxyribonucleic Acid
.LB ... .16 ... .76 ... 113 ... Last but not Least
.SS ... .41 ... .87 ... 113 ... Chris "Boomer" Berman
.SS ... .25 ... .84 ... 113 ... Chinese Fingercuffs
.SS ... .13 ... .85 ... 100 ... Cheddar Cheese
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..K ... .19 ... .68 ... 113 ... Finkle Booted It
..P ... .10 ... 100 ... 113 ... My Name Is Eli
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I received a nice PM from MadCow calling me a bitch and asking me why our original scrims didn't include the Morale option... lmao.
The reason our first 2 games were 'normal' was because of something very simple: the option to include a morale reserve for scrims was introduced on 06/11. Our first game was on 06/06 and our second was on 06/11... Look we're pulling a fast one!
Site Major Changelog
June 11, 2010
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- Fix bug showing route run SA twice on buy eq page for WRs
- Fix for upgrade popup formatting on Safari browser
- Fix missing help popup on offense AI inputs
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- Add morale option on scrimmage games
- Fix private forum random sort order (sort by id)
I think you guys will beat us again but the of level stupidity coming from you guys is pretty funny
The reason our first 2 games were 'normal' was because of something very simple: the option to include a morale reserve for scrims was introduced on 06/11. Our first game was on 06/06 and our second was on 06/11... Look we're pulling a fast one!
Site Major Changelog
June 11, 2010
- Remove EQ fund from GM access page
- Fix bug showing route run SA twice on buy eq page for WRs
- Fix for upgrade popup formatting on Safari browser
- Fix missing help popup on offense AI inputs
- Fix issue always showing "clock running" not matched on offense AI tester
- Add morale option on scrimmage games
- Fix private forum random sort order (sort by id)
I think you guys will beat us again but the of level stupidity coming from you guys is pretty funny
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Well Im new to this league but Madcow might be the biggest tool Ive seen around. Grats on excelling at being a really annoying jerk
It comes across as very natural and everyone has their strengths right. Just too bad it depends on putting others down.
It comes across as very natural and everyone has their strengths right. Just too bad it depends on putting others down.
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lol they obviously have a good team, but they are clueless about how the game works. and madcow wasn't banned for "bullshit"...it was likely due to repeated personal attacks.
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Originally posted by hays23
lol they obviously have a good team, but they are clueless about how the game works. and madcow wasn't banned for "bullshit"...it was likely due to repeated personal attacks.
We're not clueless. We felt as though it gave you an advantage and I've never had a team offer me a game where player salary morale was enabled and we've obviously played a lot of games. If you need an edge, you should also check home team abilities when you send a scrimmage request in order to tilt the scales a little more in your favor.
I saw the PMs between him and the mod who banned him and the mod's reason for banning him did not apply in this case, which is interesting. I'm not saying he never did anything that was ban worthy, but this one was very, very interesting.
lol they obviously have a good team, but they are clueless about how the game works. and madcow wasn't banned for "bullshit"...it was likely due to repeated personal attacks.
We're not clueless. We felt as though it gave you an advantage and I've never had a team offer me a game where player salary morale was enabled and we've obviously played a lot of games. If you need an edge, you should also check home team abilities when you send a scrimmage request in order to tilt the scales a little more in your favor.
I saw the PMs between him and the mod who banned him and the mod's reason for banning him did not apply in this case, which is interesting. I'm not saying he never did anything that was ban worthy, but this one was very, very interesting.
Edited by bighookworm on Jun 18, 2010 22:45:47
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Originally posted by bighookworm
If you need an edge, you should also check home team abilities when you send a scrimmage request in order to tilt the scales a little more in your favor.
Unfortunately that isn't an option
You beat us twice and we have already accepted a non-morale scrim, why are you still whining again? It isn't my fault you didn't redistribute your contracts before the season started. Also, why are you using the Mini Helmet Day promo against the Monks in the last game of the season? Did you guys really need to tilt the scales more in your favor? It's obviously going to give you an advantage...
If you need an edge, you should also check home team abilities when you send a scrimmage request in order to tilt the scales a little more in your favor.
Unfortunately that isn't an option
You beat us twice and we have already accepted a non-morale scrim, why are you still whining again? It isn't my fault you didn't redistribute your contracts before the season started. Also, why are you using the Mini Helmet Day promo against the Monks in the last game of the season? Did you guys really need to tilt the scales more in your favor? It's obviously going to give you an advantage...
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Originally posted by tonnyrat
Unfortunately that isn't an option
You beat us twice and we have already accepted a non-morale scrim, why are you still whining again? It isn't my fault you didn't redistribute your contracts before the season started. Also, why are you using the Mini Helmet Day promo against the Monks in the last game of the season? Did you guys really need to tilt the scales more in your favor? It's obviously going to give you an advantage...
Well, we might play for a forth time in the Coke Tourney if we both win our next game.
I'm not whining, I am explaining what happened. The home team abilities comment was possibly a little overboard but that is a result from your team whining about an exploit that isn't actually an exploit, which we viewed as a low blow and calling us cheaters and the player salary morale being enabled, which did give you an advantage.
Don't worry about us... our salaries will be where they should be when it matters in the playoffs.
You're seriously going to grab at straws and refer to our regular season promos? Lucid Dream and the Drunk Monks were two teams that were being talked about as possible number one seeds in their conferences in the preseason. We did what we could do get home-field advantage in the playoffs and get to the WL. Everyone gets 8 home games during the regular season and which teams you play at home are supposed to be random. You're crazy if you have the money and don't spend it on promos. I can also tell you that we have just as many promo games on the road as we do at home.
The game that we're talking about is a tournament game that should take place with no advantages for either team, IMHO. It should be played in a neutral environment and no one should gain an edge, except for their dots and tactics. Anything else is pathetic. Just because the option is there doesn't mean it has to be enabled.
If you didn't mean to gain an edge on us with the morale shit being enabled, so be it. If you did... well, I don't really have anything new to say on the subject.
Unfortunately that isn't an option
You beat us twice and we have already accepted a non-morale scrim, why are you still whining again? It isn't my fault you didn't redistribute your contracts before the season started. Also, why are you using the Mini Helmet Day promo against the Monks in the last game of the season? Did you guys really need to tilt the scales more in your favor? It's obviously going to give you an advantage...
Well, we might play for a forth time in the Coke Tourney if we both win our next game.
I'm not whining, I am explaining what happened. The home team abilities comment was possibly a little overboard but that is a result from your team whining about an exploit that isn't actually an exploit, which we viewed as a low blow and calling us cheaters and the player salary morale being enabled, which did give you an advantage.
Don't worry about us... our salaries will be where they should be when it matters in the playoffs.
You're seriously going to grab at straws and refer to our regular season promos? Lucid Dream and the Drunk Monks were two teams that were being talked about as possible number one seeds in their conferences in the preseason. We did what we could do get home-field advantage in the playoffs and get to the WL. Everyone gets 8 home games during the regular season and which teams you play at home are supposed to be random. You're crazy if you have the money and don't spend it on promos. I can also tell you that we have just as many promo games on the road as we do at home.
The game that we're talking about is a tournament game that should take place with no advantages for either team, IMHO. It should be played in a neutral environment and no one should gain an edge, except for their dots and tactics. Anything else is pathetic. Just because the option is there doesn't mean it has to be enabled.
If you didn't mean to gain an edge on us with the morale shit being enabled, so be it. If you did... well, I don't really have anything new to say on the subject.
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Originally posted by bighookworm
If you didn't mean to gain an edge on us with the morale shit being enabled, so be it. If you did... well, I don't really have anything new to say on the subject.
nobody is trying to gain an unfair edge. we're just trying to pick the scrimmage option that plays into the strategy we're using this season. its an option for a reason. the fact that you guys were seemingly unaware of it doesnt make it less reasonable...
If you didn't mean to gain an edge on us with the morale shit being enabled, so be it. If you did... well, I don't really have anything new to say on the subject.
nobody is trying to gain an unfair edge. we're just trying to pick the scrimmage option that plays into the strategy we're using this season. its an option for a reason. the fact that you guys were seemingly unaware of it doesnt make it less reasonable...
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