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the Budget is submitted by teh Potus, its amended so dutifully it appears like nothing submitted and then its passed by the congress and signed into budget.

the only think a potus can affect, tangentially are these huge assed socialistic spending bills and cabinent appointments like treasury secretary etc that then inact big government.

and yes, i voted W and he greatly disappointed as he was a big gov Repub that did shit nothing about immigration.

Obama is gonna run this pacle into the ground.

fucking trillion dollar inflationary spending program is gonna set the wheels on fire to a true depression.

Originally posted by Club America

Obama is gonna run this pacle into the ground.

fucking trillion dollar inflationary spending program is gonna set the wheels on fire to a true depression.

Lol, way to overlook the 5 trillion reagan/bush/bush deficit.

Anyone who thought the economy could continue to grow as it had since the mid-90s is a moron. The economy is cyclical, it booms and busts. The system as it is designed is meant to self-regulate. Then you have the sub-prime fiasco and various other scandals and things going on where people are taking advantage of the system and growth. It had to happen. Hopefully the liberals who hold the country in their hands now don't screw things up too much.

Sure you have to spend money to make money. The difference is like this: Republicans look to reduce unnecessary spending and reallocate money to areas of importance. Democrats look to raise taxes (or stop tax cuts, however they want to word it), increase spending, and throw money at various domestic programs (most of these just hemorrhage money, i.e. welfare, etc.). We're in a war, wars cost a lot of money. Wars tend to spur the economy (when not hurt by things like the sub-prime fiasco, etc).

You think they're spending money now, just wait until universal healthcare starts getting looked at seriously. All for free healthcare, I just don't want to have to be a party member to get it.

Originally posted by ford351c594
Ok, if the deficit is at 10 trillion, now, which your chart illustrates, adding 50% more to it is a good idea? Really get a clue. I personal live in New Orleans, actually Harvey a suburb of it, and before that lived in St. Bernard. A parish in LA that had 28,000 homes and 3 were not destroyed by Katerina. Bush did what he could do. And if you are not a tourist in New Orleans in the French Quarter, where everything looks fine and dandy, you have no idea the cost and the magnitude of the destruction down here. St. Bernard, where I again lived till Katerina, over half of it looks like a nuke went off. It is just flat. Not even water logged or damaged house, just gone. So if Bush had to spend some money on a state that produces about 1/2 of the nations oil, then so be it. How the fuck (emotion freebird LOL) is 800 million dollars to NASA going to help anybody that doesn't work for NASA. How is giving out condoms to everybody going to help the economy, if the Dems or so great, (especially Polise) see Del Monte info on what she did to Somma United States, which her husband happens to be very heavily invested in. Look closely at this spending and what it does. Isn't going to help me one bit. Oh, and how do you feel about having your second amendment rights taken away??? It is coming if the Demwits get there way. Oh but that is right the constitution is a antiquated out dated set of rules we live by, right? Or is it just the Demwits that always want to change it. If you dislike it so much GTFO!!!!!!!!!

Nice on the redneck pun. You must be about 16 or just a typical Demwit. Lots of acquisitions with no facts.

See perfect use of the word to highlight an important point. Bravo No over use to dull the effect, or affect shit I always miss use those two ROFL.

PS: I only commented, well because I was compelled to when named LOL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/02/01/GR2009020100154.html

simple break down of spending. Maybe even you can understand it. I didn't say NASA was a bad deal, nor do I believe the Shuttle is out dated. Maybe by our standards, but I don't see any other Nation that a reusable space craft, so really, how out dated is it. over 800 billion dollars. Can you even say that? Place the Blame on the GOP all you want. Clinton and your beloved Dem, all of witch are currently in the new cabinet, cause this president has no idea what he is doing, because he has about as much experience in politics as, well a 4 year old; caused this with the banking industry and poor decisions. So we will see.

as far as only the south voting for McCain.

http://tennesseefree.com/2008/11/15/2008-election-county-by-county-red-vs-blue-capitalists-vs-socialists-hard-workers-vs-opium-druggies/

here you go. All be it a bit biases in the article, the red vs blue is actual and well now that I think about, the article is pretty good. Just... Working Class equals McCain. Elitists and "slums' equals Obama. So the you hole theory is based on the "slums" being the most educated right??????

Oh yeah, New Orleans, not rednecks, Dimwit.

If you want to really know who is spending money and on what. Start looking up your states elected officials and their personal pet projects that they funnel money into by amending bills to their benefit. These pork belly projects get added to "typically" solid budget proposals to gain votes from self important officials that are suppose to have the "peoples" best interest in mind.

And if you want to admit it or not, our government is full of backroom shady deals everyday. Meaning, the old " if you vote for my proposal I will vote for yours" if it is a good deal or not.

I vote every chance I get and I try to make a good honest choice regardless of party affiliation; of the person I think best represents or can do a better job. Do I get disappointed LOL almost every time.

Hell I voted for Perot, did I think he would make a good politician, not on your life. What I voted for was his business ideas and how to get us out of debt. Do I think he would have succeeded, no. Why; because all the other politicians would have cock blocked everything he tried to do; why , because it would have cut into their pork belly projects.

One man does not make or break the economy, it is the collective effort of those we voted into office that do NOT do what is in the best interest like they are suppose to do.

Originally posted by ford351c594

here you go. All be it a bit biases in the article, the red vs blue is actual and well now that I think about, the article is pretty good. Just... Working Class equals McCain. Elitists and "slums' equals Obama. So the you hole theory is based on the "slums" being the most educated right??????


I'm curious as to how you think the national debt is going to be paid down? The one run up by the previous three Republican administrations? The article you posted spouted off about Dem's "Spending other peoples money" due to higher tax rates. How do you propose we pay off our debt if the Republicans keep spending more than we pay in taxes? By putting us into debt, they are essentially at some point forcing us to pay higher taxes to cover their spending. They are like the guy who takes 50 friends out to dinner and tells them all he is paying and the moment the bill comes, he lost his wallet and someone else has to cover him.

Originally posted by 1freebird
If you want to really know who is spending money and on what. Start looking up your states elected officials and their personal pet projects that they funnel money into by amending bills to their benefit. These pork belly projects get added to "typically" solid budget proposals to gain votes from self important officials that are suppose to have the "peoples" best interest in mind.

And if you want to admit it or not, our government is full of backroom shady deals everyday. Meaning, the old " if you vote for my proposal I will vote for yours" if it is a good deal or not.

I vote every chance I get and I try to make a good honest choice regardless of party affiliation; of the person I think best represents or can do a better job. Do I get disappointed LOL almost every time.

Hell I voted for Perot, did I think he would make a good politician, not on your life. What I voted for was his business ideas and how to get us out of debt. Do I think he would have succeeded, no. Why; because all the other politicians would have cock blocked everything he tried to do; why , because it would have cut into their pork belly projects.

One man does not make or break the economy, it is the collective effort of those we voted into office that do NOT do what is in the best interest like they are suppose to do.



Every 4 years vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Any of the other candidates is just throwing away your vote, so you really have a choice of the Republican or the Democrat. Usually both of them suck, but you vote for the one who most closely matches your views. The fiscal conservative, social moderate in me wishes I had a candidate (and entire government) who matched those ideals (41% of Americans are Fiscally Conservative, and 30% of Americans are socially moderate) - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/24_are_both_fiscal_and_socially_conservatives_9_fiscally_and_socially_liberal

Seems like a no-brainer on where to be politically to get elected (and to remain popular once you are elected - assuming you actually believe what you said during your campaign and didn't lie to the American people like most of these candidates do).

Just for the record, here's my views. Now everyone tear them up:

Fiscal/Government
Cut spending
Cut taxes (across the board - but I do believe in the trickle down effect)
Cut size of government (national defense is their most important job - including illegal immigration)
Eliminate Earmarks and the pork that 1freebird mentioned.
Eliminate the corruption in government and get rid of the people who do it (immediately - not wait for reelection). Hold special elections to elect the successor if the current one screws up.

Social
Redistribution of Wealth - I don't believe in it. Work for what you get, and don't complain to me if you're lazy and don't have enough money to live on. This lady on Welfare and disability, but who has enough money to have 8 babies through IVF and get plastic surgery, is absolutely ridiculous.
Eliminate Illegal Immigration - I'm all for legal immigration though.
Gay Rights - all for it (doesn't affect me - why shouldn't they be happy too if they want to get married - or whatever you want to call it, but they should get the same benefits as straight people)
Abortion - Lean to Conservative, but do not think it should be outlawed completely. I recognize extenuating circumstances.
Gun Control - Believe in the right to own guns, but I'm OK with background checks before purchasing them. I believe in the saying that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I believe that if some student was licensed, trained, and allowed to carry at Virginia Tech, then Seung-Hui Cho would have probably only been able to kill a couple students rather than 32 (and 23 more wounded)

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by ford351c594


here you go. All be it a bit biases in the article, the red vs blue is actual and well now that I think about, the article is pretty good. Just... Working Class equals McCain. Elitists and "slums' equals Obama. So the you hole theory is based on the "slums" being the most educated right??????


I'm curious as to how you think the national debt is going to be paid down? The one run up by the previous three Republican administrations? The article you posted spouted off about Dem's "Spending other peoples money" due to higher tax rates. How do you propose we pay off our debt if the Republicans keep spending more than we pay in taxes? By putting us into debt, they are essentially at some point forcing us to pay higher taxes to cover their spending. They are like the guy who takes 50 friends out to dinner and tells them all he is paying and the moment the bill comes, he lost his wallet and someone else has to cover him.


Times of war and national defense are really about the only things the government should be doing. The problem isn't spending money on national defense during the times of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II, but that they didn't cut the other spending that wastes money and had to raise the national debt in order to cut taxes and raise national defense. If they had done both, we wouldn't have had the high deficit. Most fiscally conservative people would agree.

I blame the pussification of America. All Americans do is bitch and moan about how unfair their lives are but don't do shit about it to improve it.

Hell in a handbasket on a rocket ship.

Originally posted by dook1e
I blame the pussification of America. All Americans do is bitch and moan about how unfair their lives are but don't do shit about it to improve it.

Hell in a handbasket on a rocket ship.

Change "all americans" to "a large portion of americans" and I don't think you're far from the truth.

Originally posted by kluisi
Originally posted by 1freebird

If you want to really know who is spending money and on what. Start looking up your states elected officials and their personal pet projects that they funnel money into by amending bills to their benefit. These pork belly projects get added to "typically" solid budget proposals to gain votes from self important officials that are suppose to have the "peoples" best interest in mind.

And if you want to admit it or not, our government is full of backroom shady deals everyday. Meaning, the old " if you vote for my proposal I will vote for yours" if it is a good deal or not.

I vote every chance I get and I try to make a good honest choice regardless of party affiliation; of the person I think best represents or can do a better job. Do I get disappointed LOL almost every time.

Hell I voted for Perot, did I think he would make a good politician, not on your life. What I voted for was his business ideas and how to get us out of debt. Do I think he would have succeeded, no. Why; because all the other politicians would have cock blocked everything he tried to do; why , because it would have cut into their pork belly projects.

One man does not make or break the economy, it is the collective effort of those we voted into office that do NOT do what is in the best interest like they are suppose to do.



Every 4 years vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Any of the other candidates is just throwing away your vote, so you really have a choice of the Republican or the Democrat. Usually both of them suck, but you vote for the one who most closely matches your views. The fiscal conservative, social moderate in me wishes I had a candidate (and entire government) who matched those ideals (41% of Americans are Fiscally Conservative, and 30% of Americans are socially moderate) - ontent/politics/current_events/general_current_events/24_are_both_fiscal_and_socially_conservatives_9_fiscally_and_socially_liberal" target="_blank">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publio_Oontent/politics/current_events/general_current_events/24_are_both_fiscal_and_socially_conservatives_9_fiscally_and_socially_liberal

Seems like a no-brainer on where to be politically to get elected (and to remain popular once you are elected - assuming you actually believe what you said during your campaign and didn't lie to the American people like most of these candidates do).

Just for the record, here's my views. Now everyone tear them up:

Fiscal/Government
Cut spending
Cut taxes (across the board - but I do believe in the trickle down effect)
Cut size of government (national defense is their most important job - including illegal immigration)
Eliminate Earmarks and the pork that 1freebird mentioned.
Eliminate the corruption in government and get rid of the people who do it (immediately - not wait for reelection). Hold special elections to elect the successor if the current one screws up.

Social
Redistribution of Wealth - I don't believe in it. Work for what you get, and don't complain to me if you're lazy and don't have enough money to live on. This lady on Welfare and disability, but who has enough money to have 8 babies through IVF and get plastic surgery, is absolutely ridiculous.
Eliminate Illegal Immigration - I'm all for legal immigration though.
Gay Rights - all for it (doesn't affect me - why shouldn't they be happy too if they want to get married - or whatever you want to call it, but they should get the same benefits as straight people)
Abortion - Lean to Conservative, but do not think it should be outlawed completely. I recognize extenuating circumstances.
Gun Control - Believe in the right to own guns, but I'm OK with background checks before purchasing them. I believe in the saying that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I believe that if some student was licensed, trained, and allowed to carry at Virginia Tech, then Seung-Hui Cho would have probably only been able to kill a couple students rather than 32 (and 23 more wounded)

+10

I want reparations

Tax the wealthy! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Since Mob-6 is avoiding the questions on how Bush limited free speech and what the Fairness Doctrine will do to free speech, I will say this last thing to him. When shit hits the fan and these new loans and bail-outs come home to roost. Don't blame me, I voted for McCain.