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Originally posted by SCACE


I have no issue discussing it either, but I'm not sure how much there is to discuss, tbh.

Not sure you are seeing the whole picture, if anything Brantford is a very easy debate for me as they are by far the more passing based offense of the two, less than 1000 yds rushing and 7000 passing on the season vs 6000/2000 for Brisbane, your gut argument would hold more weight for a starting WR with much lower totals against the backup WR if both offenses weren't geared up the same way.

Wow...well, you've convinced me SCACE although it's a matter of about 1 percent

Originally posted by badkarma
Originally posted by SCACE



I have no issue discussing it either, but I'm not sure how much there is to discuss, tbh.

Not sure you are seeing the whole picture, if anything Brantford is a very easy debate for me as they are by far the more passing based offense of the two, less than 1000 yds rushing and 7000 passing on the season vs 6000/2000 for Brisbane, your gut argument would hold more weight for a starting WR with much lower totals against the backup WR if both offenses weren't geared up the same way.

In real-life, if a #3 or #4 WR put up numbers like Parr, he'd be a shoe-in, most likely, for top WR of the season..maybe MVP talk. That said, if he was producing like that, he'd also likely move up the depth chart, or the opposing team would shift better corners over to him.

In GLB, I don't buy the backup WR argument for the sole reason that since I've played the game, the #3 WR consistently puts up better stats than the starter -- they face lesser CB competition for the most part, or they get to face the better CB's after they've tired a bit. Their routes, generally speaking, tend to be better in the long passing game. It isn't anything new that a "backup" WR can lead a team in yards -- just ask our #3 WR from Season 3, Torry "Big Game" Holt about how he fared from the #3 spot.

The same can be said for other positions where a player puts up better stats from a backup role -- HB's seem to do this a lot after the starter has worn down the defense a bit. Backup QB's, if built well, tend to have a lot of success in a backup role - same reasons.

Originally posted by Kira
Wow...well, you've convinced me SCACE although it's a matter of about 1 percent

lol - its definitely close, and you could have a debate for weeks on it and still not come to a consensus. Do you take the guy with the better overall stats, or the guy who performed better in non-cupcake games (and apparently in wins)?

Tough call.

Scace if we are going to go apples to apples lets compare them against the pace setters of Alpha. West Scranton, TIT and The Machine.

Sneeze 301 yards , 2 TDs , 2 Drops.
Parr 244 yards , 0 TDs , 2 Drops.

Both are on pass orientated teams.

Just to throw my own bone in the mix.

Willybob Gogoshoes (Crushers) 221 yards, 2 TDs, 3 drops. On a team with only 3 WRs who live and die by the ground game.

Its been said before, you can break it down how you want. I believe Sneeze preformed better against better competition so he would get my vote for the Top WR.

Originally posted by midlineveer
Scace if we are going to go apples to apples lets compare them against the pace setters of Alpha. West Scranton, TIT and The Machine.

Sneeze 301 yards , 2 TDs , 2 Drops.
Parr 244 yards , 0 TDs , 2 Drops.

Both are on pass orientated teams.

Just to throw my own bone in the mix.

Willybob Gogoshoes (Crushers) 221 yards, 2 TDs, 3 drops. On a team with only 3 WRs who live and die by the ground game.

Its been said before, you can break it down how you want. I believe Sneeze preformed better against better competition so he would get my vote for the Top WR.


Gogoshoes was on my list when I was deciding, don't worry

Originally posted by midlineveer
Throw out the games vs. Gutted teams, that's a no brainier.

Crusher’s Vote.
D-MVP vote goes to Adam Avalanche.
Offensive MVP goes to Gordon James for not having another record breaking season, all haul Bort for taming the savage beast.

This may be the first season in the history of GLB that "His Jamesness” is not up for defensive MVP.


Fear the James, however, who is getting it together in time for the playoffs.

6 sacks today against Brantford.

Well when I first glanced at the league leaders page I was like how can you not give Dan the man Marino the MVP? Then I ran the game scout on him against non guts(that's any game where the team didn't score 100+) 255/361 for 3261 yards and 38 TDs with 9 picks. 20 drops, and 70 pds are also in there. Then I figured out that I didn't have an argument. I would agree with Justin, Denver LastDinosaur imo.

Buckley

Originally posted by SCACE


In real-life, if a #3 or #4 WR put up numbers like Parr, he'd be a shoe-in, most likely, for top WR of the season..maybe MVP talk. That said, if he was producing like that, he'd also likely move up the depth chart, or the opposing team would shift better corners over to him.

In GLB, I don't buy the backup WR argument for the sole reason that since I've played the game, the #3 WR consistently puts up better stats than the starter -- they face lesser CB competition for the most part, or they get to face the better CB's after they've tired a bit. Their routes, generally speaking, tend to be better in the long passing game. It isn't anything new that a "backup" WR can lead a team in yards -- just ask our #3 WR from Season 3, Torry "Big Game" Holt about how he fared from the #3 spot.

The same can be said for other positions where a player puts up better stats from a backup role -- HB's seem to do this a lot after the starter has worn down the defense a bit. Backup QB's, if built well, tend to have a lot of success in a backup role - same reasons.

Reasonable assumption but consider total plays; in similar offenses Parr in played 150 fewer snaps, averaged double the YPC and double the YAC while scoring 13 more touchdowns.

Give Parr 150 extra snaps to even the tables and we it would be safe to assume we would be talking about a 1500 receiving yard advantage and 30 touchdown discrepancy instead of 700 and 13 as it stands now.

I just don't see much of a comparison between the two.

Originally posted by Linker2596
Well when I first glanced at the league leaders page I was like how can you not give Dan the man Marino the MVP? Then I ran the game scout on him against non guts(that's any game where the team didn't score 100+) 255/361 for 3261 yards and 38 TDs with 9 picks. 20 drops, and 70 pds are also in there. Then I figured out that I didn't have an argument. I would agree with Justin, Denver LastDinosaur imo.

That is the tough thing about the Alpha side tbh...every team in that conference got 3 strong stat padding games compared to Zeta.

Because of strong pass defenses and the meat grinder aspect, Zeta has been more of a running league as well. Its a tough call between Anderson and Rambo, but Rambo has been held to under 4.0 yards per carry three times (borderline once), two of those efforts being under 3.0 yards per carry.

Anderson has been dominant all season, with a low of 4.1 YPC. Add to that a few extra TD's, 1 less fumble & fumble lost, and 1 full YPC better on the season, and he has my vote right now.

Originally posted by badkarma
Originally posted by SCACE



In real-life, if a #3 or #4 WR put up numbers like Parr, he'd be a shoe-in, most likely, for top WR of the season..maybe MVP talk. That said, if he was producing like that, he'd also likely move up the depth chart, or the opposing team would shift better corners over to him.

In GLB, I don't buy the backup WR argument for the sole reason that since I've played the game, the #3 WR consistently puts up better stats than the starter -- they face lesser CB competition for the most part, or they get to face the better CB's after they've tired a bit. Their routes, generally speaking, tend to be better in the long passing game. It isn't anything new that a "backup" WR can lead a team in yards -- just ask our #3 WR from Season 3, Torry "Big Game" Holt about how he fared from the #3 spot.

The same can be said for other positions where a player puts up better stats from a backup role -- HB's seem to do this a lot after the starter has worn down the defense a bit. Backup QB's, if built well, tend to have a lot of success in a backup role - same reasons.

Reasonable assumption but consider total plays; in similar offenses Parr in played 150 fewer snaps, averaged double the YPC and double the YAC while scoring 13 more touchdowns.

Give Parr 150 extra snaps to even the tables and we it would be safe to assume we would be talking about a 1500 receiving yard advantage and 30 touchdown discrepancy instead of 700 and 13 as it stands now.

I just don't see much of a comparison between the two.

So you are saying that with an extra 10 snaps per game (15 games played and you're asking for 150 more snaps), he would put up an extra 50 yards & more than another full TD per game? Seriously?

To get him the extra snaps, he'd have to move up the depth chart. Moving up the depth chart, he's facing tougher competition. He's also getting a lot more tired with the extra snaps. Facing tougher competition, he could have confidence/morale issues in game when they PD him, he drops the ball, a ball intended for him gets picked, he gets tackled, etc.

I don't think it is anywhere near as black & white as you are saying it is.

I can't go against Avalanche overall, he has changed our defense and how we gameplan. There are some really terrific players represented for sure.