Originally posted by cwisler
Originally posted by Dirkdolan
Originally posted by cwisler
I find this kind of funny, because WRs need good QBs to get the ball to them. Anotherwards, until the WR drops a pass, or makes a reception, I wouldn't consider you beating them, IMO.
I would just consider it a bad throw on the QB's part.
By the way, I just dropped your team a friendly challenge. I'll show you WRs that will burn you, trust me. 3/5 of my WRs have 70+ speed as well as the 'magic numbers' to reduce dropping, plus we have a QB that CAN throw the ball.
EDIT: I also find it kind of funny that your CB gives up over 9 yards per catch against him. I found this scouting your team's entire season, including all the cupcake teams.
Ok, first off, your whole thread is wrong. Not a single valid point. Secondly, who are you and why are you in our BBB#8 forums? Anyhow, your here, so welcome to BBB#8.
Where did you get 9 yrds per catch? Who is HIM? if you scouted THIS season properly, you would see that Wr's are averaging 7.5yds per catch. The most receptions a WR has had against me this season have been 3. So, Im sure any CB and any team would be more than happy if they allowed only 22.5 yrds per game, dont you think?
And even if it were 9 yrds per catch (its not)that's not a good avg for a WR, especially if they're averaging 2 catches a game. If a CB can hold a WR to 18 yrds a game, that's a victory for the CB, hands down.
Next, of course WR's need good QB's, a good Oline, and a good RB. It's football, everyone needs each other. It's a moot point. CB's need good LB's, good Safteys, a good D-line. If it weren't for my teammates, i wouldn't have a season like this. A good part of a CB's success is the rest of the D. That's obvious.
But we're not talking about that. We're talking about whether or not you can get open on me. There will be plays where the QB misses you and you'll be wide open. It happens. There will also be plays where my D-line gets no push and your QB has all day to find you. Plays like that happen, it's a wash.
If a WR is that much better than my CB, then those "once in awhile overthrows" wont matter right? because you should be getting open on me all day. If you're that good, then shouldn't you have like a 10 rec day? Or a post 100yrd game?
If i hold you down for most of the day, and you're gonna base your performance on an overthrow or two, then i won. Because, like i said, shit happens, but if you're so good, you'll overcome that shit.
You WR's get that? Don't use your QB as a scapegoat. If you're so worried about your QB not getting you the ball, get open sooner, and get more seperation. Case closed
Greasemonkey Scouting script used for 'accurate scouting' results, I don't have the time to watch the game film to calculate everything. (Reference: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c196/l33tpr0ducti0ns/Untitled-1-1.jpg ).
Second, I'm 90% sure you haven't watched every play your CB was in, therefore you wouldn't know how many times a WR got open against him. If you did, then okay, I'd like some validation. I have too much time on my hands to watch all your team's games to see how many times your CB allowed a WR to get open. If there's a volunteer to do this, please do.
Thirdly, a good DB does not need help from LB/S/DL to cover a WR. A good WR does not need help to get open against a CB, that's a 1 on 1 matchup that will never be added to pbp in text. You have to watch every play in order to see how many times a WR gets open against a CB to say you 'shut him down'. All WRs do rely on a good QB to get the ball to them, though, where it is catchable. A bad QB will rarely throw the ball to the right spots (vision). So your point about your CB shutting down WRs all the time is invalid, unless of course, you've gone through all the game film and I have the 'nod' from someone else to prove it.
Fourthly, the WR does not always have to get open to make a grab over your CB. Therefore, just because you're on top of him, does not mean you'll stop him from making a catch.
Fifthly, your point matches mine word for word. Originally posted by Dirkdolan
If a WR is that much better than my CB, then those "once in awhile overthrows" wont matter right? because you should be getting open on me all day. If you're that good, then shouldn't you have like a 10 rec day? Or a post 100yrd game? Just because the WR always gets open doesn't mean he'll have a great game reception/yardage wise. That relies on how often the QB looks his way. I've seen plenty of plays by QBs where there are players wide open and never get the ball thrown to them. Not sure if this is just an ongoing bug in the game, but it seems like it, looking through the Bugs section about QB Vision check (Reference: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1454022 ).
So to finalize this, I am not using a QB as a scapegoat. Shutting down a WR and holding a WR to minimal yards are two completely different subjects in the game of GLB.
Thank you for the welcome, and I shall return to scouting our opponents further down the schedule and designing more AIs.
EDIT: Edit reference link, move parentheses so link works.
EDIT #2: Photo Reference in first point.Ok, I'm actually to lazy to post today, so i'll try to make my points quick.
Of course i cant watch EVERY play, I just look at the recievers plays and see if they're making the catches vs me. If they do, i write it down. That simple.
You're taking the term "Shut Down" to literal. Nobody,whether it be GLB, NFL, NCAA can cover a WR the whole game with out someone getting open. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Everyone knows that. The term "Shut Down" is a loose term. It refers to a CB that, for the most part, can contain a top WR threat for the majority of a game. Which, is what my CB is doing this season. If you have a Wr that avg's a 100 yrds a game, and you hold him to 20 yrds that game, he's been shut down. Plain and simple.
A bad QB can be counteracted by an outstanding WR. All of these WR's running around with high speed and agility, what's the point? Isn't part of the reason you spec in those skills are so you can break on the ball? Most starting QB's at this lvl usually have pretty good vision and can get the ball there or at least close enough for the receiver to make a play. QB's aren't the issue.
DB's and Wr's dont need help? what are you smoking? If by help you mean double coverage, or a safety over the top, then yeah your right, a great CB doesn't always need that. This is football, every position is affected by other positions. That's the beauty of the game. If a Wr doesn't have an Oline that can give his QB time, how is he ever going to get the ball? If the D-Line doesn't get pressure, then the WR will get open at some point, you cant run with one forever. No one can. Like i said before, you can't defend a perfect pass. It's common knowledge that a DB is only expected to cover a WR for the first 4 secs of a play, if the play proceeds longer that usually means the D is not getting a pass rush and the play is breaking down. Vice versa for the Wr's. Big plays for Wr's happen on broken coverages and when the QB has to much time to throw the football. If a WR doesn't have time to run his route, then it's pretty safe bet he's not getting the ball.
Yes, there will be times that the Wr is overlooked, i said that already. But, if that Wr is having good game, he will always be the primary target and first read, so, he shouldn't get overlooked often if he's having a good game. If he's not, and every time a QB looks his way and he's covered, then obviously the QB isn't going to look his way as often. That's part of the game, man. That's part of the strategy.
I never said that Wr's have get seperation to get a catch, so I'm not sure what your point was with that remark.
Wr's, TE's whatever are open EVERY play at some point. That holds true in RL, and in GLB. Once again, you're taking the term Shut down to literal. It's not possible to hold down receivers every play. But i explained that already.
Finally, let me break it down nice and easy for you Wr's out there, again. yes, sometimes Qb's wont see you, sometimes the Oline wont block, sometimes the D wont get a rush. It happens. Great players make great plays on a consistant basis. If he broke coverage and got open once, he'll do it again, and the QB will find him at some point, unless you're not great, you're not consistant. that simple. If you're better than the CB, you will get the ball
I actually bought the team for him. :/
