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Good lord you are an intollerable whiner.

We have friends in this game. We have players on this team that started the moment this league did back in season 3 when I bought it. We have others (many belonging to the same agents) that have come here over the course of more than one season now. You and I collude with someone every time we make a trade in the sense that I used that term. No one gutted a team and colluded to move it to another lower league as you so desperately want to believe.

The players that we have gathered dating back to early season number 5 are the ones that bother you the most becasue our teams are now on equal footing. They have ranged in level from mid 20s to mid 30s when we got them and have leveled since. How the hell do you think Quebec and Antioch had such high level players in a formerly capped league last year? How do you have such high level players? Yours are very similar to ours, you did bring many of yours in earlier but when you did, they were far above what the league level was at that time.

We have done nothing wrong and now, after more than a season of assembling better players you have suddenly realized it and decided that we shouldn't have as good a team as you have? Go find another windmill to tilt at.

We have blind-recruited a lot of players to go with the players that have become available from friends and are even growing some for the future but all you care about is that he did what you did only at a slightly later time and therefore it's not fair to you. What a prick.

So what about that trade?

Originally posted by NFLVols
So what about that trade?


We made a legal trade - cash for player. There are thousands of trades made every day here and there are rules that won't allow teams to abuse an open market. We traded within the rules provided. What ever point you have to make I hope that you have included in your complaint to support so I don't have to answer them in piecemeal.


You have done exactly what we and nearly every team in this league and every other league has done when caps come off - that is get better players.

You have done two things here that really piss me off:

1) You have suggested that I gutted a team and colluded to bring players here and have said that you reported me to support. Niether is true - you are just speculating ad nausium.

2) You have stated that we were 'bragging about how great we are all over the boards'


First, we have done nothing improper and you have made a storm out of it. The good will that brings you may be something you regret. No one likes people that operate this way.

Secondly, we have never been braggarts and in fact have been some of the more polite denizens of this board. Why you have started this is puzzling.

Integrity of the game.

You brought the heart and sould of a successful Canada AAA team to Canada A.

As for the trade, that trade is completely NOT legal. The intent of the trade OBVIOUSLY was to give you free cash from a team with a bunch of cash that didn't need the player. The San Fran team did not benefit ONE thing for the trade.

Originally posted by NFLVols
Integrity of the game.

You brought the heart and sould of a successful Canada AAA team to Canada A.

As for the trade, that trade is completely NOT legal. The intent of the trade OBVIOUSLY was to give you free cash from a team with a bunch of cash that didn't need the player. The San Fran team did not benefit ONE thing for the trade.

Integrity of the game?

Please come back to us. If anyone that owns a team has a batch of his own players become available for a reason not of his own doing (or even of his own doing, I suppose), he can do one of three things:

1) Sign them to his own team if they are needed there.
2) Sign them with a friend's team if they are needed.
3) Wade into the free agent pool and try to find another good owner.

That's it. Any of those are options are allowed.

The players that I had suddenly freed up (early last year by the way) were a K, starting FB, back up C & G, back up CB. I also had a punter that ended up on a great team in Africa. Two friends brought what had been a starting G, a back up LB (actualy - he had just played on ST) and a WR that was # 2 or 3 - I can't recall.

That was all last season and over a period of time as we all collected the pieces after that team was blown apart. It wasn't 'the heart and soul' or anything close to it of that old team. It helped us a great deal last year and we have continued to try and bring better players since. We will continue to do so as well.

Originally posted by Blitztiger
hey Chris, can you imagine what this guy could cry about if his team was in the USA A7 when I had the Voodoo!?!?

Whew - a lot of good players were dispersed when that happened. That's how we got an OT in Yellowkife! It pre-dated the season 5 players that came in so I suppose that Vols hasn't dug that one out yet as a shining example of all that is wrong with this world.

Vols, I brought a LB here in season 4 when his contract expired and bought 3 players that belonged to another friend from a team that didn't want him and had benched him. We started the collecting of good players long before early season 5 as I stated earlier - sorry if that has caused you any confusion.

Originally posted by CONN CHRIS

WR that was # 2 or 3 - I can't recall.

Alava was the 4th receiver in a 4 WR rotation plus the Ballers were a rushing team first and foremost.

Like Chris said what we brought over was no where near the heart and soul of the Ballers. Lets see of the major players on the Ballers the only one the Mules' landed was the Yankee Sullivan, the kicker. In fact, I think Sullivan and Beef were the guys who were starters on the Ballers. Yep, we really stole their heart and soul.

Originally posted by CONN CHRIS
Originally posted by joker02btb


im not saying if bort were to take action, im saying if he were to SAY what constitutes as unsporting "recruiting". i like how u even said "according to the rules we play by now" after i JUST said rules generally come after the problem. it was a hypothetical situation nonetheless. i was looking to see what sort of character everyone had is all.



Basicaly, I have brought my players here that were on a team that was detroyed by the owner and a few other agents did the same. We all also had players that started on this team when the league was first released. We happen to have a fairly large circle of friends within the game and make trades on occation to assist each other. Sure that is collusion in as much as it's two people deciding together to take an action. It is not collution in a sense that rules were being worked around.

We have quite a few players on the team that were not acquaintances prior to them playing with us on this team. It's all about networking and making relationships.

What we have done is so routine and mundain in this game that none of it has ever struck me as un-sportsman-like. If it is and new rules are made, I can live with that. This isn't the NFL or amatuer baseball or anything else. It's GLB and has a set of rules all it's own.

I have players on seven teams, if any of them reach a point where they will be parting ways with a current team and we need them here I will probably bring them along too. If a friend needs/wants them, I would send them there. I can't see how any of that is unsportsmanlike.

Starting a huge storm over people opperating within the rules as he has done does though strike me as whining. His main objection at first was that we brought in players of higher level from higher leagues (something even he has done). That is a silly argument to have the way GLB is set up. It happens everywhere, every day around here. To decide that we should be the focal point of his whining crusade is an annoyance but nothing more.


And by the way, the new players that we have added have been added over a period of time stretching back to the beginning of last season. It didn't happen over night. And now, we are on a similar footing with Niagara and Nova Scotia and still not quite up to what Quebec and Antioch were last year before they moved on to AA. Is this all over the fact that Niagara thought it was 'their turn' and are upset that there is competition? Seriously, look at the players on our team, the Snakes and teh Assassins. They are very close and should be great games - isn't that what we all want?


im glad the tone has turned more serious and civilized. in my opinion, whether people agree or not, is that with your extensive networking you should have been able to send your guys to a little more competitive league seeing as our conference is so uncompetitive as it is. ive got no problem with bringing in players but you have to admit, stacking a team with powerhouses in a conference like ours totally kills the competitiveness and in that way is unsporting.

i believe the reason you guys are the targets is because nova scotia, yellowknife, and niagra would have put on some pretty damn good games if we stayed relatively where we were last season, but now that u guys have bringing in these new guys your basically buying your ticket to advance into AA.

quebec and antioch were RIDICULOUS last season which is why they should have never been in our league. Don't try and make this about us thinking it's "our time" cuz thats not the case at all. It was basically going to be nova scotia, yellowknife and niagra battling it out but now its kind of nova and niagra fighting to go against yellowknife. Im actually not worried at all. Niagra is getting into it's groove so we're going to be competitors no matter who we face.

I think your owner is being a bit disingenuous though. After reading his accusations, would you think that there was an average difference between our starters of only 2.03? Plus or minus two levels on average in a league is virtually nothing and is overcome every day in this game by better builds and AI.

Furthermore, the bulk of our players that are higher level came last year whereas the bulk of your players (and other teams) that are similar level were brought in a bit earlier. Of course they were higher leveled at the time they actually came here.

This is the course of things in every league after a cap is lifted. What possible difference does it make if one team's upgrades were low 20s and grew to mid/high 30s in three seasons or if another's upgrades came in at high twenties and low thirties a year later and are now mid to high 30s?

The number of 40 plus players will explode soon and you'll see a good number of them land in A leagues. Probably many in this league of ours right here. If every time it happens, some guy that brought his ringers in two years earlier is going to cry foul and thrash about the forum, this will be recurring theme.

Originally posted by CONN CHRIS
Originally posted by NFLVols

Integrity of the game.

You brought the heart and sould of a successful Canada AAA team to Canada A.

As for the trade, that trade is completely NOT legal. The intent of the trade OBVIOUSLY was to give you free cash from a team with a bunch of cash that didn't need the player. The San Fran team did not benefit ONE thing for the trade.

Integrity of the game?

Please come back to us. If anyone that owns a team has a batch of his own players become available for a reason not of his own doing (or even of his own doing, I suppose), he can do one of three things:

1) Sign them to his own team if they are needed there.
2) Sign them with a friend's team if they are needed.
3) Wade into the free agent pool and try to find another good owner.

That's it. Any of those are options are allowed.

The players that I had suddenly freed up (early last year by the way) were a K, starting FB, back up C & G, back up CB. I also had a punter that ended up on a great team in Africa. Two friends brought what had been a starting G, a back up LB (actualy - he had just played on ST) and a WR that was # 2 or 3 - I can't recall.

That was all last season and over a period of time as we all collected the pieces after that team was blown apart. It wasn't 'the heart and soul' or anything close to it of that old team. It helped us a great deal last year and we have continued to try and bring better players since. We will continue to do so as well.


Yes Integrity of the Game, competitivenss of the game. If anyone thinks that a Canada AAA team belongs in a Canada A league thats absurd.

You still are avoiding the legality of the trade with your player to one of your other teams your involved with your network of friends.

What did San Fran Fire gain by trading you nearly 600k for a level 22-24 wide receiver? I know he didn't play a down for them. I know they didn't turn and trade him to another team to better their team?

This will be settled shortly.

That one trade was not against the rules but feel free to report me (I guess that you already have) and I'll discuss it with them. I am glad that you started this though (whatever your reasoning was). I hope that you get it out of your system because teams bring in new players in singles and in gobs from their own accounts and from friends' all the time. This exact scenario is playing out all over the leagues constantly. As good as Antioch was last year, they signed a boatload of players from one agent all at once in the offseason. I have no idea who they kept or didn't but if you play this game looking at how you can bring someone else down rather than how you can imrove your own team it won't be much fun I'd imagine.

Wether or not there should be caps on leagues and other restrictions to movement is an ever-changing thing and we all just do the best we can for our teams within the framework of the moment. I wish it were tidier than that but it isn't.

So explain the trade to me. Please.

i agree that a level difference of 2 can be made up by AI but when both teams have incredible AI that difference becomes apparent again. we wont really know until you guys play nova scotia or until we get our run at you.

the difference i see is i was brought in from a BBB team along with a couple other players, one of which i know was bumped up from BBB to European A just the year before, to be able to compete against people like you guys and antioch and quebec. whereas you guys have been added to give u the role played by quebec last year.

there wouldnt be a problem if it were the case that all the guys on our teams were mid 30s but your offense starters average lvl 39.6 whereas ours average 34.8; defense 32.7 and 32.5 (ours our more evenly spread where as you guys have some high and some low.

that explosion of 40s will improve competition unless theyre all stacked on one team which renders it all pontless

I still want an explanation of the trade.

Vols youre a REALLLY sore loser.