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Believe what you want, I guess. It's not like the outcome was unexpected, though, and the reason why nobody from New Zealand opted to inform you was probably because none of us even realized that he had players on Canberra until shortly before the game, at the earliest (I noticed it earlier that day, then decided that it didn't really matter to me since I don't worry about that stuff. For all I know, he might have leaked our gameplan to you ).

Besides, if we'd known your defensive gameplan, we probably would have scored more than 24 points.

Originally posted by BradyFTW

It's not like the outcome was unexpected, though,
....
Besides, if we'd known your defensive gameplan, we probably would have scored more than 24 points.


Sure, This coming from a team that, before today, had a losing record all time against Strike, never beaten Strike by more than 6 points, and never scored 24 points or more against Strike...

So now you're telling me you signed FIVE GUYS from a user without so much as looking at their players page? I find that quite hard to believe from a competent owner/GM such as yourself...

We have new coordinators and a bunch of new personnel this season. Both offensively and defensively, we're using entirely new strategies. We're significantly improved from the teams that you played in the past, and we beat you last season too.

I'm not sure what's up, but Canberra isn't quite as strong this year as has been in the past. Fiji, Brantford, Emerald City, the Bandits, and East Coast all scored more points on you than we did, and I think we're right in all of those teams' ballparks offensively.

Personally, I didn't sign him, so I can't really say what happened on that front, but I do know that none of this was ever discussed in any capacity on the team forum, and that Nelson certainly never relayed your gameplan over to us in any capacity (if he had tried to, I would have reported him myself, but he definitely didn't and he seems to be a pretty cool guy).

Originally posted by HaplosDog
Originally posted by BradyFTW

Originally posted by McGruffHawk


Originally posted by HaplosDog



Originally posted by BradyFTW




Man, it gets harder and harder just to make the playoffs every year.

Tell me about it...

Well, you see, as good teams have been promoted from the AAA leagues, the overall quality of Pro teams has improved. In addition, we have gone through a full season with very little gutting. The overall result is that there are more than 5-6 teams in each conference who a qualified to make the post season. The end result is that some very good teams, who would've made the playoffs in past seasons, will be on the outside looking in.

I hope that helps you to understand why it gets harder and harder just to make the playoffs every year.

Yeah, I definitely understand how the promotion/relegation system works; it was just a general comment

I think McGruff was giving a smartypants answer to my post, taking it literally.

Yeah. Lame attempt at humor.

Originally posted by BradyFTW
We have new coordinators and a bunch of new personnel this season. Both offensively and defensively, we're using entirely new strategies. We're significantly improved from the teams that you played in the past, and we beat you last season too.

I'm not sure what's up, but Canberra isn't quite as strong this year as has been in the past. Fiji, Brantford, Emerald City, the Bandits, and East Coast all scored more points on you than we did, and I think we're right in all of those teams' ballparks offensively.

Personally, I didn't sign him, so I can't really say what happened on that front, but I do know that none of this was ever discussed in any capacity on the team forum, and that Nelson certainly never relayed your gameplan over to us in any capacity (if he had tried to, I would have reported him myself, but he definitely didn't and he seems to be a pretty cool guy).

Frankly, I think both teams are innocent bystanders in this. I have known both owners to be up front, quality owners who would not tolerate spying. Maybe I'm a bad judge of character (I *am* quite fond of yoohoo . . . ), but I don't think New Zealand was complicit in this.

The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Originally posted by McGruffHawk
The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Word!

Due to promotions I have players on 2 teams in a Western Europe AAA league and I told both teams up front... as well as voluntarily stay out of the forums of both teams following the game before (after all the win banter) and have the GMs/owner PM me my tactics.

The easy solution if you don't trust the player is to just temporarily disallow forum usage and PM the game's player tactics for that "week".

Originally posted by MC_Hammer
Originally posted by McGruffHawk

The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Word!

Due to promotions I have players on 2 teams in a Western Europe AAA league and I told both teams up front... as well as voluntarily stay out of the forums of both teams following the game before (after all the win banter) and have the GMs/owner PM me my tactics.

The easy solution if you don't trust the player is to just cut him.



fixed it for you. there's no reason to EVER have someone on your team if they are not trusted.

Originally posted by Vilita
Originally posted by BradyFTW


It's not like the outcome was unexpected, though,
....
Besides, if we'd known your defensive gameplan, we probably would have scored more than 24 points.


Sure, This coming from a team that, before today, had a losing record all time against Strike, never beaten Strike by more than 6 points, and never scored 24 points or more against Strike...

So now you're telling me you signed FIVE GUYS from a user without so much as looking at their players page? I find that quite hard to believe from a competent owner/GM such as yourself...

Don't flatter yourself. Your team never had a chance this year. Our team is significantly better than it was last year, and yours is significantly worse than it was last year. I've had our game marked as a guaranteed win on my calendar since the midpoint of the season.

We signed FIVE GUYS from a user who's old team (which housed all FIVE GUYS) disbanded and who was playing on a computer team. We were told about his players through a team friend and signed them since they were a roster upgrade.

Plus, how do you gameplan for a team who's set its tactics to "suck". See you in the playo.... oh wait....

EDIT: Just to clarify: I'm e-hating because its fun not because i have any e-problems with the Strike. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

Originally posted by MC_Hammer
Originally posted by McGruffHawk

The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Word!

Due to promotions I have players on 2 teams in a Western Europe AAA league and I told both teams up front... as well as voluntarily stay out of the forums of both teams following the game before (after all the win banter) and have the GMs/owner PM me my tactics.

The easy solution if you don't trust the player is to just temporarily disallow forum usage and PM the game's player tactics for that "week".



I have my TE on the Heat, and my own team made it up here in direct competition with them. As long as you are upfront about any conflicts of interest and decide how to handle them, life is good. Hiding them (whether on purpose or not) leads to allegations that take over quality threads

Originally posted by SCACE
Originally posted by MC_Hammer

Originally posted by McGruffHawk


The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Word!

Due to promotions I have players on 2 teams in a Western Europe AAA league and I told both teams up front... as well as voluntarily stay out of the forums of both teams following the game before (after all the win banter) and have the GMs/owner PM me my tactics.

The easy solution if you don't trust the player is to just temporarily disallow forum usage and PM the game's player tactics for that "week".



I have my TE on the Heat, and my own team made it up here in direct competition with them. As long as you are upfront about any conflicts of interest and decide how to handle them, life is good. Hiding them (whether on purpose or not) leads to allegations that take over quality threads

Exactly.

Originally posted by McGruffHawk
Originally posted by BradyFTW

We have new coordinators and a bunch of new personnel this season. Both offensively and defensively, we're using entirely new strategies. We're significantly improved from the teams that you played in the past, and we beat you last season too.

I'm not sure what's up, but Canberra isn't quite as strong this year as has been in the past. Fiji, Brantford, Emerald City, the Bandits, and East Coast all scored more points on you than we did, and I think we're right in all of those teams' ballparks offensively.

Personally, I didn't sign him, so I can't really say what happened on that front, but I do know that none of this was ever discussed in any capacity on the team forum, and that Nelson certainly never relayed your gameplan over to us in any capacity (if he had tried to, I would have reported him myself, but he definitely didn't and he seems to be a pretty cool guy).

Frankly, I think both teams are innocent bystanders in this. I have known both owners to be up front, quality owners who would not tolerate spying. Maybe I'm a bad judge of character (I *am* quite fond of yoohoo . . . ), but I don't think New Zealand was complicit in this.

The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Bingo. Shady move not letting the team know.

Originally posted by McGruffHawk
Originally posted by BradyFTW

We have new coordinators and a bunch of new personnel this season. Both offensively and defensively, we're using entirely new strategies. We're significantly improved from the teams that you played in the past, and we beat you last season too.

I'm not sure what's up, but Canberra isn't quite as strong this year as has been in the past. Fiji, Brantford, Emerald City, the Bandits, and East Coast all scored more points on you than we did, and I think we're right in all of those teams' ballparks offensively.

Personally, I didn't sign him, so I can't really say what happened on that front, but I do know that none of this was ever discussed in any capacity on the team forum, and that Nelson certainly never relayed your gameplan over to us in any capacity (if he had tried to, I would have reported him myself, but he definitely didn't and he seems to be a pretty cool guy).

Frankly, I think both teams are innocent bystanders in this. I have known both owners to be up front, quality owners who would not tolerate spying. Maybe I'm a bad judge of character (I *am* quite fond of yoohoo . . . ), but I don't think New Zealand was complicit in this.

The fault lies squarely on the player, who regardless of motivation for moving a significant number of his players to an opposing team right before their game (timing does seem suspicious), ought to have informed both teams of his conflict of interest. He is the one person in this situation whom we can be certain was fully aware of the conflict and should have been forthright. Not to have done so is a fairly major breach of trust.

So, don't take it out on each other.

Fair enough; I can't say I disagree with your interpretation. I'm certainly not going to beat the guy up over it though. The timing was as it was because the owner of the team that his five guys were previously on disbanded a few days prior, and through some mutual contacts he found that our team needs were pretty closely aligned to what he could bring to the table (CB, DT, HB, TE).

He probably should have let Canberra know that he had players coming over to NZBP, but nobody on our team has any problem with him not letting us know that he had players on Canberra. I wouldn't ban a player from the team forums even if he had players on the other team for the league championship. Villita obviously feels differently, and that's fine. To come out and publicly state that spying *did* happen, though, is ridiculous, and makes it pretty easy to point out that your team sucks and wouldn't be worth spying on even if I didn't have a problem with the practice. The situation could have been dealt with a whole lot better than by publicly smearing our entire team without even saying anything to us or the agent first.

Originally posted by BradyFTW
The situation could have been dealt with a whole lot better than by publicly smearing our entire team without even saying anything to us or the agent first.

Ironic...

Great write up, thanks..

Originally posted by Vilita
Originally posted by BradyFTW

The situation could have been dealt with a whole lot better than by publicly smearing our entire team without even saying anything to us or the agent first.

Ironic...



That's not irony. Go look up the word...

Anyways, Canberra is a great team, and it took a lot from us to squeak out a victory. You might say we were lucky. We did not, however, have any "insider" help. The situation is what it is. It could have been dealt with in a better way, but it wasn't. Either way, nothing shady happened. End of story.