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Originally posted by avalon

Lima was 11-5. Las Vegas was 11-5. Manhattan was 11-5. Crimson was 14-2. Point? I was simply saying that you won't necessarily get promoted to a new league and just start wrecking face. Crimson was the only team out of those 4 that really excelled from the get go.

Well, gee whiz!

Thanks! And here I was telling my guys that we sucked early on last year!

But your point is actually well made. The level of competition here frankly surprised the shit out of us. I'm really looking forward to this season.

PinTBC

lol @ all who oppose avalon...

im not sure how you expect these predictions to be done without giving some thought to levels. its not like anyone can examine the player builds of every player in the league and compute the predictions based off of that.

winning streaks in lower levels don't make much of a difference. new league. new teams. new reputation to build.

so keep working on the douche bag rep that you are currently building.

be glad that anyone even stood up to do the predictions.

Originally posted by michaelpotter08
lol @ all who oppose avalon...

im not sure how you expect these predictions to be done without giving some thought to levels. its not like anyone can examine the player builds of every player in the league and compute the predictions based off of that.

winning streaks in lower levels don't make much of a difference. new league. new teams. new reputation to build.

so keep working on the douche bag rep that you are currently building.

be glad that anyone even stood up to do the predictions.

It's a shame we don't get to play you in week 16. I'd much rather play your shitty team than a real team like Las Vegas.

I'll give you a hint for predictions for the future- don't put us as dogs to any team that didn't even bother making the playoffs last season. Every single team that came from the "lower" league has easily made the playoffs in this league. Most don't stay here long.

I'll do a prediction right now. We'll be in AA #4 before you.

Any chance we can lock the egos back up and keep the A8 forums as more of a friendly group?

I am just glad their are some teams with actual coaches that care and set game plans in the league. We should all be glad for that, so many conferences are full of gut jobs, even though we have our share.

As far as rankings go, I enjoy them right or wrong especially the ones with witty writeups.

As far as moving up and leagues go I can't see any real difference anymore. Last season, we beat Margaritaville (who went on to win AA4 and who moved up to AAA2)but lost to Crimson who had just moved up from BBB. The year before we beat the Dallas Orangebloods who had dominated BBB the year before and went on to win A8, but lost a first round playoff game in our own conference.

Keep up the good work Avalon...people don't like the truth...much less your opinions about them...

Originally posted by enoch101
Any chance we can lock the egos back up and keep the A8 forums as more of a friendly group?

I am just glad their are some teams with actual coaches that care and set game plans in the league. We should all be glad for that, so many conferences are full of gut jobs, even though we have our share.

As far as rankings go, I enjoy them right or wrong especially the ones with witty writeups.






+1

Good luck tomorrow, folks.

Originally posted by tomcollins
It's a shame we don't get to play you in week 16. I'd much rather play your shitty team than a real team like Las Vegas.

You know you don't mean that. Last season we got to play the only undefeated team in the conference. We looked forward to that game pretty much all year, and it was a hell of a game.

Don't get insulted at the predictions, post them up on your boards and let your team take care of them. You guys are good enough to let your games talk for you. Hell, it looks like you've picked up some really nice players since the last time we played. I'm looking forward to butting heads with you in a few weeks.

PinTBC

Originally posted by PinTBC
Originally posted by tomcollins

It's a shame we don't get to play you in week 16. I'd much rather play your shitty team than a real team like Las Vegas.

You know you don't mean that. Last season we got to play the only undefeated team in the conference. We looked forward to that game pretty much all year, and it was a hell of a game.

Don't get insulted at the predictions, post them up on your boards and let your team take care of them. You guys are good enough to let your games talk for you. Hell, it looks like you've picked up some really nice players since the last time we played. I'm looking forward to butting heads with you in a few weeks.

PinTBC

Well it all started that his analysis consisted of looking at the average levels of the team. Like that has much to do with the game at this point. Most people in BBB #16 thought the same thing last season, when we were 3 levels below them, and we marched past every single stop. Once we were equal levels in the playoffs, it wasn't even close.

The history of teams moving up into this league and doing extremely well right off the bat (the leagues were created at the same time, so they really aren't much tougher) should maybe make him think that we at least are favorites over a team that didn't even make it to the playoffs last season. The power rankings guy had us 5th in the conference, which is much more reasonable. If you are going to make predictions, and your analysis consists of looking at levels, you are going to be mocked. If he had used some kind of real analysis to actually do it, I would have disagreed with him but not been as condescending. Although levels were the #1 factor in deciding who the best teams were in the early seasons, it plays less of a factor now that we are higher level and more advanced AI is available. LOL @ looking at levels.



A safe bet from now on (as long as its not a gutted team like EZ Company/Cleveland) is that any team good enough to move up to this league is probably good enough to make the playoffs in this league (and probably top 4). There are a ton of talented teams in this league, and as more get dropped down and more good ones keep moving up, it will only get tougher. We'll let our results speak for themselves. Our goal is to make it as far as possible in the playoffs, and whatever it takes to do that. I was pretty surprised that you didn't make it out last season, Pin. Then again, the competition is quite tough. Granted, 2 of the playoff teams have gutted since then, so it does make it a bit easier. The cream of the crop of Crimson and Vermont looks very tough. New Hampshire has been impressive in BBB, so they will likely also be very tough (we should find out in a few hours). We very well could drop those 3 games and maybe a few other games here and there. Some other teams may have been able to make moves to improve a lot too, so its hard to tell.

And yes, I do wish we had an easy 16th game I'll take the easy win and save the excitement for the playoffs.

Originally posted by tomcollins
Originally posted by PinTBC

Originally posted by tomcollins


It's a shame we don't get to play you in week 16. I'd much rather play your shitty team than a real team like Las Vegas.

You know you don't mean that. Last season we got to play the only undefeated team in the conference. We looked forward to that game pretty much all year, and it was a hell of a game.

Don't get insulted at the predictions, post them up on your boards and let your team take care of them. You guys are good enough to let your games talk for you. Hell, it looks like you've picked up some really nice players since the last time we played. I'm looking forward to butting heads with you in a few weeks.

PinTBC

Well it all started that his analysis consisted of looking at the average levels of the team. Like that has much to do with the game at this point. Most people in BBB #16 thought the same thing last season, when we were 3 levels below them, and we marched past every single stop. Once we were equal levels in the playoffs, it wasn't even close.

The history of teams moving up into this league and doing extremely well right off the bat (the leagues were created at the same time, so they really aren't much tougher) should maybe make him think that we at least are favorites over a team that didn't even make it to the playoffs last season. The power rankings guy had us 5th in the conference, which is much more reasonable. If you are going to make predictions, and your analysis consists of looking at levels, you are going to be mocked. If he had used some kind of real analysis to actually do it, I would have disagreed with him but not been as condescending. Although levels were the #1 factor in deciding who the best teams were in the early seasons, it plays less of a factor now that we are higher level and more advanced AI is available. LOL @ looking at levels.



A safe bet from now on (as long as its not a gutted team like EZ Company/Cleveland) is that any team good enough to move up to this league is probably good enough to make the playoffs in this league (and probably top 4). There are a ton of talented teams in this league, and as more get dropped down and more good ones keep moving up, it will only get tougher. We'll let our results speak for themselves. Our goal is to make it as far as possible in the playoffs, and whatever it takes to do that. I was pretty surprised that you didn't make it out last season, Pin. Then again, the competition is quite tough. Granted, 2 of the playoff teams have gutted since then, so it does make it a bit easier. The cream of the crop of Crimson and Vermont looks very tough. New Hampshire has been impressive in BBB, so they will likely also be very tough (we should find out in a few hours). We very well could drop those 3 games and maybe a few other games here and there. Some other teams may have been able to make moves to improve a lot too, so its hard to tell.

And yes, I do wish we had an easy 16th game I'll take the easy win and save the excitement for the playoffs.

Every league is going to have new teams and new matchups. Its hard to say who is going to do what head-to-head until people get familiar with the new teams and vice versa.
I can say I'd much rather have gotten all three of our starting games later in the season so our scouts would have more specific info to give me.

Levels aren't the only indicator of quality, but they are an indicator in some cases. Especially when you don't know the teams that well.
Regardless, given that leagues thrive, or go quiet on activity, if you disagree with the power rankings, post it up as bulletin board material on your forums and call it a day. Or disagree with some tact. People should be encouraged to take a stab at rankings, even when you disagree with them. Its good for the league, and gets people talking.

As for week 16 matchups, personally I'd take Waller or anyone else over the rematch with the Vikings. Hard game or easy game - still preferable.

Looking forward to the game today and seeing how things stack up. The Woodys look like a solid team top to bottom.

My problem with this thread has nothing to do with disagreeing with Avalon (although I think there was far too much harshness involved) more it was the covert abuse of a good Detroit team. They don't deserve any of the crap that's gone on here and people have pretty much called them garbage. Unnecessary.

(I know team math doesn't mean crap but Detroit beat us last year and we beat Vermont and Crimson so none of us are bad teams)

UM, since when did these prediction threads ever have very much to do with reality?
Or GLB for that matter?
Holy cats these forums have gotten all goofy.

Originally posted by somebloke
My problem with this thread has nothing to do with disagreeing with Avalon (although I think there was far too much harshness involved) more it was the covert abuse of a good Detroit team. They don't deserve any of the crap that's gone on here and people have pretty much called them garbage. Unnecessary.

(I know team math doesn't mean crap but Detroit beat us last year and we beat Vermont and Crimson so none of us are bad teams)

Na, I was disrespected by Detroit as well. Saying he was "Shocked" by the result. I was too... that we didn't beat them even worse than we did. Then again, my OC put in the wrong settings for the game, so that explained a lot of it.

I wasn't referring to them as a garbage team, though. They aren't bad. I was more talking about Orlando as a garbage team, not Detroit. But then again, their GMs use levels to determine team strength. Detroit will almost definitely make the playoffs this season as far as I can tell. Obviously they underestimated us and got burned by it. Orlando, LOL.

I wasn't really insulted by it, obviously I was right. I just found it funny that its all he used for analysis. Avalon got his panties in a wad after being called out for his "dartboard" analysis.

wow this thread got really lame why does everyone bicker and banter with each other like lonely little girls? quit tripping over your egos, and have some fun!

it looks like we missed out on Week 2 predictions because everyone was too busy trying to outdo each other on how good of a GM they are compared to everyone else. sheesh. who gives a rats ass?

let the guy do predictions who cares what gets used as analysis. so what if someone wants to look at bars to determine something. WHO CARES.

you're smarter than everyone else. we know that. whoever somebody is, they are definitely smarter than whoever somebody else is. now that we have determined that each individual is definitely smarter, wiser, and more of a man than every other individual, can we shut the hell up and play football?

thank you.

PIMPS UP

hoes down

Originally posted by tomcollins


It's a shame we don't get to play you in week 16. I'd much rather play your shitty team than a real team like Las Vegas.

I'll give you a hint for predictions for the future- don't put us as dogs to any team that didn't even bother making the playoffs last season. Every single team that came from the "lower" league has easily made the playoffs in this league. Most don't stay here long.

I'll do a prediction right now. We'll be in AA #4 before you.

Probably. We're not really looking to advance. If you'd like, request a scrimmage with our team owner, the more games we play the merrier. We're not great by any stretch of the imagination, but we're competitive with just about all teams in our league. We'd be more competitive if we recruited during offseason and our players boosted, but we're just casual players and all friends from UCF. Our roster hasn't changed since season 2 as far as I remember, and we like it that way.

Originally posted by
Well it all started that his analysis consisted of looking at the average levels of the team

LOL, how many times are we going to go over this? I've stated several times I did not use average levels to make my predictions. If I had actually wrote in my prediction "I'm going to predict x to lose by y *BECAUSE* they are z levels behind", then yes. That's not how it went. I made a simple note, and then I predicted the score.

I can be as in depth or lack of in my predictions as I like, if no one else is going to step up to the plate. Predictions are meant for entertainment value. Regardless, you don't know the level of analysis I took on writing my predictions, so think what you want. I'm not going to stop you from being wrong.

I'm done with this subject, unless you start spreading more FUD.

You certainly can post as much as you want. And I will be certain to show the flaws in your arguments as well.