Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Mordaloch
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by Mordaloch


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by Mordaloch




Originally posted by driftinggrifter





Originally posted by Mordaloch







Go recruit more 40+ we don't want a chance you might lose to a level 25 team we wouldn't want that you should recruit more 40+ just in case so you can buy some more victories.

Hmmm, sounds like someone doesn't know how to recruit or they are to lazy to recruit.



I know how to recruit and i am not lazy with recruiting point is i got a good group of agents that i am not just going to dump because their player level is too low.

Is it possible that Valenski might have lost some players? I know my team lost a few players who decided to retire or go help out a team they GM so I signed some high level guys. And BTW, the
mercenary excuse is a lame one, I signed players who I have connections with. Every single high leveled player I signed was mine, plays on a team with me or owns a team I play on. Just because someone signs a few high leveled guys doesn't mean they are looking for mercenaries or disloyal to their team.


you could have just as well signed players that were "within level range" from your loyal agents instead you chose to pick up level 40's you call it improving your team i call it STACKING your team you taking the easy way out man it's just like with hacks in online games why bother playing COD4 if you got an aimbot shooting everyone for you where is the skill involved where is the competition? i don't get it if you guys want to have high level players on your team then go play against other high level player teams in which case you should be all for the shuffle so you get to play teams who think just like you do and the rest of us can play against teams who think just like we do.

Do YOU want to recruit for me? Huh? Do you? I took who I could get. I made a deal with a buddy and I signed 2 of my players for his team and he signed 4 players on mine. I didn't care if they are within the level range. I am not going to turn down players just because they are high leveled and it might bother someone else. This game is about winning and having fun so I'll do that anyway I want to. This is an uncapped league so what may be stacking to YOU is improving to me and guess what, it doesn't matter what YOU call it, it's MY team. You don't own every team in the game, some owner may feel differently about things then you do, your best bet is to just get over it and play your game.



you do what you gotta do and hopefully Bort will do what he needs to do to level the playing field.

If Bort does, I won't complain. I'll just give it everything I have. But I think Bort realizes that doing this is going to cause just as many problems as it will solve.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue

Originally posted by jrry32


Fix? This isn't a fix. This is a band aid. If anything, it hurts the league because it increases the chance the teams that are level 23-25 get promoted to AA which is level 45-50 and lowers the chances of the current level 40+ teams getting promoted. If anything, it will end up hurting more than helping.

You have a built in assumption here that after a shuffle, the top teams from each of those leagues at the end of the season would still get promoted to AA. While the assumption might be true and what Bort was thinkin too, let's try and step back and think outside the box for a moment. What if the only teams that get promoted to AA were the teams that finished at the top end of the highest leveled post-shuffled league in A?

And what do the other leagues do for promoted teams? Do they just not relegate any teams from the AA leagues?

Yeah, I think you would still be able to relegate teams from AA to the highest level league in A, then reshuffled down to the lower leveled leagues in A as necessary. If a AA team became CPU, then it would get relegated down to BBB as currently happens with BBB teams moving up to the A level and shuffled as necessary. If we stop thinking of the levels on the region trees as being required to only feed into the league directly above or below it on the tree and instead think of them as tiers that can be added or removed from and then reshuffled as necessary to promote good competition within the leagues I think it would work out just fine.

BTW, I'm guessing that this is in essence the same thing that Bort has mentioned he hopes to finalize by next offseason (a tower structure).

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Mordaloch

Originally posted by kswass


Come on guys. There is more than 1 way to do GLB. Some teams slow build to make their teams better in a few seasons, some teams upgrade rosters and some teams stick together through winning and losing. It doesn't make one way better or worse than the other.

If you want to win it all every season, you will need to upgrade your roster. If you get promoted every season, then you need to upgrade your roster every season to be able to compete. If you want to stick with all the same guys, then there will be some seasons where you will have setbacks. I am on other teams where we all stick together and grow together. This is not the path that we have chosen with the Wrath. There are many ways to win in GLB and don't knock on other for playing in the system set before them to try and win. The thing that is frustrating for everyone in GLB is when rules change to appease complaining. I am all for improving this game, but I think that mid-season changes and setting rules and then changing them are bad for the game. Set up the system and let's run with it. If it needs improving, let everyone know what you are going to do and then stick with it.

The Wrath have been through the process with our Warsaw Team
Season 4 - A Conference finals (improved team)
Season 5 - A - 20-0 (improved team)
Season 6 AA - Conference finals (improved Team)
Season 7 AAA - 4th seed lost in semis (improved team)
Season 8 AAA Conference finals (improved team)
Season 9 - EEPL

& our Winnipeg Team
Season 5 - BBB - 20-0 (improved team)
Season 6 - A - Won championship (improved team)
Season 7 - AA - Conference finals (improved team)
Season 8 - AAA - lost in 1st round (improved team
Season 9 - AAA

This is the route that we have chosen for the Wrath and Washington is on the same path. We try our best every season to do what we need to do to win. If that means upgrading some of our talent, than this is what we will do. Our goal for every season is to win a championship and we will try our best every season to do this.

I understand why you guys are upset, but sticking with your current roster is a choice you made, just like we choose to upgrade ours.

Try to lay off Val, he is very passionate about his Washington team and winning a title.

Very well i'll give the guy a break as long as we understand that this is an issue to be fixed if not now then next season for sure because teams shouldn't need to have to dump their whole roster and retool every season just to compete where is the loyalty to the agents and what happened to the real meaning of "team" it's stupid to have to compete 1 year then get rolled 2 years compete 1 year and get rolled 2 more years if you get promoted and if you want to keep the same team together.

So your point is that you should always be able to win? It's stupid that people expect that they should be able to be promoted into a league they win.

The game should always be competitive with similar level teams competing each season whatever needs to be done to make this work needs to get done. be it more league caps or realign all the leagues or make closed leagues (with the same 32 teams face off each season) or whatever i am sure there is a solution to fix this somehow i just haven't brainstormed all the ideas myself yet. of course it has to be a solution that allows new players to feed into the system as well as old players retire from the game and to keep the flow of flex sales going after all it is a business right? I think the biggest issue is just teams going from 13 cap to uncapped too quickly forcing their owners to retool completely or get ready to get blown out for a season or two.

Originally posted by Mordaloch
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by Mordaloch


Originally posted by kswass



Come on guys. There is more than 1 way to do GLB. Some teams slow build to make their teams better in a few seasons, some teams upgrade rosters and some teams stick together through winning and losing. It doesn't make one way better or worse than the other.

If you want to win it all every season, you will need to upgrade your roster. If you get promoted every season, then you need to upgrade your roster every season to be able to compete. If you want to stick with all the same guys, then there will be some seasons where you will have setbacks. I am on other teams where we all stick together and grow together. This is not the path that we have chosen with the Wrath. There are many ways to win in GLB and don't knock on other for playing in the system set before them to try and win. The thing that is frustrating for everyone in GLB is when rules change to appease complaining. I am all for improving this game, but I think that mid-season changes and setting rules and then changing them are bad for the game. Set up the system and let's run with it. If it needs improving, let everyone know what you are going to do and then stick with it.

The Wrath have been through the process with our Warsaw Team
Season 4 - A Conference finals (improved team)
Season 5 - A - 20-0 (improved team)
Season 6 AA - Conference finals (improved Team)
Season 7 AAA - 4th seed lost in semis (improved team)
Season 8 AAA Conference finals (improved team)
Season 9 - EEPL

& our Winnipeg Team
Season 5 - BBB - 20-0 (improved team)
Season 6 - A - Won championship (improved team)
Season 7 - AA - Conference finals (improved team)
Season 8 - AAA - lost in 1st round (improved team
Season 9 - AAA

This is the route that we have chosen for the Wrath and Washington is on the same path. We try our best every season to do what we need to do to win. If that means upgrading some of our talent, than this is what we will do. Our goal for every season is to win a championship and we will try our best every season to do this.

I understand why you guys are upset, but sticking with your current roster is a choice you made, just like we choose to upgrade ours.

Try to lay off Val, he is very passionate about his Washington team and winning a title.

Very well i'll give the guy a break as long as we understand that this is an issue to be fixed if not now then next season for sure because teams shouldn't need to have to dump their whole roster and retool every season just to compete where is the loyalty to the agents and what happened to the real meaning of "team" it's stupid to have to compete 1 year then get rolled 2 years compete 1 year and get rolled 2 more years if you get promoted and if you want to keep the same team together.

So your point is that you should always be able to win? It's stupid that people expect that they should be able to be promoted into a league they win.

The game should always be competitive with similar level teams competing each season whatever needs to be done to make this work needs to get done. be it more league caps or realign all the leagues or make closed leagues (with the same 32 teams face off each season) or whatever i am sure there is a solution to fix this somehow i just haven't brainstormed all the ideas myself yet. of course it has to be a solution that allows new players to feed into the system as well as old players retire from the game and to keep the flow of flex sales going after all it is a business right? I think the biggest issue is just teams going from 13 cap to uncapped too quickly forcing their owners to retool completely or get ready to get blown out for a season or two.

That's 100% impossible unless you think lower leveled teams should never be promoted to Pro or AAA. Eventually teams are going to have to play higher leveled teams if they keep winning. And why would anyone want to be in a closed league unless it's a Pro League(but that can't happen)? I'd never want to keep my team in A for ever.

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue


Originally posted by jrry32



Fix? This isn't a fix. This is a band aid. If anything, it hurts the league because it increases the chance the teams that are level 23-25 get promoted to AA which is level 45-50 and lowers the chances of the current level 40+ teams getting promoted. If anything, it will end up hurting more than helping.

You have a built in assumption here that after a shuffle, the top teams from each of those leagues at the end of the season would still get promoted to AA. While the assumption might be true and what Bort was thinkin too, let's try and step back and think outside the box for a moment. What if the only teams that get promoted to AA were the teams that finished at the top end of the highest leveled post-shuffled league in A?

And what do the other leagues do for promoted teams? Do they just not relegate any teams from the AA leagues?

Yeah, I think you would still be able to relegate teams from AA to the highest level league in A, then reshuffled down to the lower leveled leagues in A as necessary. If a AA team became CPU, then it would get relegated down to BBB as currently happens with BBB teams moving up to the A level and shuffled as necessary. If we stop thinking of the levels on the region trees as being required to only feed into the league directly above or below it on the tree and instead think of them as tiers that can be added or removed from and then reshuffled as necessary to promote good competition within the leagues I think it would work out just fine.

BTW, I'm guessing that this is in essence the same thing that Bort has mentioned he hopes to finalize by next offseason (a tower structure).

Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.

Originally posted by jrry32


Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Originally posted by jrry32

Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.

Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...


Exactly, immediately evens the playing field for EVERYONE. I'm not saying everyone deserves to win a championship, just that everyone should have the right to compete for one.

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Originally posted by jrry32



Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...



it's not scared of a challenge it's sick of being blown out without a chance to win. you really think a level 40 team (even with bad builds) is a challenge for level 25 team? it's like a high school team playing an NFL team.

Originally posted by Mordaloch
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

Originally posted by jrry32




Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...



it's not scared of a challenge it's sick of being blown out without a chance to win. you really think a level 40 team (even with bad builds) is a challenge for level 25 team? it's like a high school team playing an NFL team.

You very much underestimate your team if you think that, my level 27 DTs builds are better than many level 48-50 DTs I see. The only thing that helps them is VAs. If he shuffles, my team will be fine but I just don't think he's going to do it.(it's getting really late and while there is a majority, it isn't really a consensus)

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Mordaloch

Originally posted by Kenshinzen


Originally posted by jrry32





Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...



it's not scared of a challenge it's sick of being blown out without a chance to win. you really think a level 40 team (even with bad builds) is a challenge for level 25 team? it's like a high school team playing an NFL team.

You very much underestimate your team if you think that, my level 27 DTs builds are better than many level 48-50 DTs I see. The only thing that helps them is VAs. If he shuffles, my team will be fine but I just don't think he's going to do it.(it's getting really late and while there is a majority, it isn't really a consensus)



Sure. People who want an easy title will never agree to this!

EDIT: Not accusing you, just point out the obvious.

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by Mordaloch


Originally posted by Kenshinzen



Originally posted by jrry32






Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...



it's not scared of a challenge it's sick of being blown out without a chance to win. you really think a level 40 team (even with bad builds) is a challenge for level 25 team? it's like a high school team playing an NFL team.

You very much underestimate your team if you think that, my level 27 DTs builds are better than many level 48-50 DTs I see. The only thing that helps them is VAs. If he shuffles, my team will be fine but I just don't think he's going to do it.(it's getting really late and while there is a majority, it isn't really a consensus)



Sure. People who want an easy title will never agree to this!

EDIT: Not accusing you, just point out the obvious.

Actually people who want it easy WILL agree to this so they don't have to play teams that are better than them.

Be serious! I want a competive league but do you think playing against teams with 20+ more levels is competive and fun?

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Be serious! I want a competive league but do you think playing against teams with 20+ more levels is competive and fun?

I am looking at the league your team is in, you have 3 total teams who are about 10-15 levels higher than yours at most positions, so Bort needs to shuffle because 3 games out of the 16 will be very tough for your team to win? I'd be willing to bet most conferences have about 2-4 teams that outlevel most the others but they're still in A league so obviously, they aren't that great of a team. I just don't see it as much of a pressing issue as you do. These teams can be beaten.

I'm not talking about my team and my league. I'm talking about a shuffle for more competive leagues, that's all. I'm not whining, my team is what you see and I'll play, shuffle or not. But don't try to convince that the shuffle is not a good thing.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by Mordaloch



Originally posted by Kenshinzen




Originally posted by jrry32







Hopefully but right now, this shuffle won't reall fix much of anything and honestly, if a level 35-40 team still hasn't been promoted, they obviously aren't that good of a team and you might just be able to beat them so I don't get why people freak out before playing these teams, it's like they are scared of a challenge and think they should always win.



Do the shuffle then and let them play with other 40+ teams! Loooks like a good idea to me...



it's not scared of a challenge it's sick of being blown out without a chance to win. you really think a level 40 team (even with bad builds) is a challenge for level 25 team? it's like a high school team playing an NFL team.

You very much underestimate your team if you think that, my level 27 DTs builds are better than many level 48-50 DTs I see. The only thing that helps them is VAs. If he shuffles, my team will be fine but I just don't think he's going to do it.(it's getting really late and while there is a majority, it isn't really a consensus)



Sure. People who want an easy title will never agree to this!

EDIT: Not accusing you, just point out the obvious.

Actually people who want it easy WILL agree to this so they don't have to play teams that are better than them.




How would being placed in a league with other teams the same level be considered easy?