Originally posted by Dub J
Buying a brand new car is stupid.
You lose a lot of money from the moment the car rolls off the lot.
Buying a brand new car is stupid.
You lose a lot of money from the moment the car rolls off the lot.
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Dub J
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Yeah, and if you let it get about 20k mi on it (at least) before you buy you allow someone else to deal with all the new car quirks.
Larry Roadgrader
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Originally posted by Dub J
Buying a brand new car is stupid.
There's a reason guidelines are just guidelines--not every guideline fits every scenario. You and the others decrying new cars are in a position to avoid them. Rams situation may be one where a new car with a lengthy warranty makes more sense.
Buying a brand new car is stupid.
There's a reason guidelines are just guidelines--not every guideline fits every scenario. You and the others decrying new cars are in a position to avoid them. Rams situation may be one where a new car with a lengthy warranty makes more sense.
Pithy Radish
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Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, it's rough work and the industry tends to attract assholes. I've worked in a factory for years and I laugh when I hear people talking about factory people being rough. Most of the people I've worked with in the factory are just regular people like you would meet most anywhere. Most of the body guys I've encountered were egotistical douchebags.
I feel like flat rate work also brings out the worst in people. I don't know about body work, but as a mechanic everyone is competing with each other, everyone wants all of the gravy work. Everyone seems out to get you, there is no sense of comradery. I've seen a guy who was not making any money because he was slow, and stupid try to sabotage our top mechanic.
I feel like the people in my trade are either blithering idiots that are nothing but glorified parts hangers, or guys that are far too smart to be fixing cars. Diagnosing on modern day cars is incredibly hard, very few people can do it, and when they get good they leave the dealership environment. A lot of dealerships have to call in diagnosing specialist because nobody they have can diagnose certain problems.
Yeah, it's rough work and the industry tends to attract assholes. I've worked in a factory for years and I laugh when I hear people talking about factory people being rough. Most of the people I've worked with in the factory are just regular people like you would meet most anywhere. Most of the body guys I've encountered were egotistical douchebags.
I feel like flat rate work also brings out the worst in people. I don't know about body work, but as a mechanic everyone is competing with each other, everyone wants all of the gravy work. Everyone seems out to get you, there is no sense of comradery. I've seen a guy who was not making any money because he was slow, and stupid try to sabotage our top mechanic.
I feel like the people in my trade are either blithering idiots that are nothing but glorified parts hangers, or guys that are far too smart to be fixing cars. Diagnosing on modern day cars is incredibly hard, very few people can do it, and when they get good they leave the dealership environment. A lot of dealerships have to call in diagnosing specialist because nobody they have can diagnose certain problems.
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
There's a reason guidelines are just guidelines--not every guideline fits every scenario. You and the others decrying new cars are in a position to avoid them. Rams situation may be one where a new car with a lengthy warranty makes more sense.
even a cheap 20k new car would have a $400 payment when stringing the payments out 60-72 months. im not sure thats what he needs. you can get a good car for $250 a month if you have decent credit.
There's a reason guidelines are just guidelines--not every guideline fits every scenario. You and the others decrying new cars are in a position to avoid them. Rams situation may be one where a new car with a lengthy warranty makes more sense.
even a cheap 20k new car would have a $400 payment when stringing the payments out 60-72 months. im not sure thats what he needs. you can get a good car for $250 a month if you have decent credit.
jdbolick
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With a new car you pay more up front. With a used car you pay more on the back end. Which ends up the better deal will depend on your luck and your connections with mechanics/dealerships.
Originally posted by Pithy Radish
You lose a lot of money from the moment the car rolls off the lot.
Problem is you're buying the car for utility, not for an investment. There's a certain peace of mind that comes with buying a quality car with 7 miles on it. You know the cars life. You control the cars life as best a car owner can.
Certainly I can see the argument buying a fully loaded 3-4 year old car, but there's nothing wrong with buying a new car if you have long-term intent (even more so if you're paying cash). My current A->B was purchased new in 2012 and will be my A->B at least another 7 years.
You lose a lot of money from the moment the car rolls off the lot.
Problem is you're buying the car for utility, not for an investment. There's a certain peace of mind that comes with buying a quality car with 7 miles on it. You know the cars life. You control the cars life as best a car owner can.
Certainly I can see the argument buying a fully loaded 3-4 year old car, but there's nothing wrong with buying a new car if you have long-term intent (even more so if you're paying cash). My current A->B was purchased new in 2012 and will be my A->B at least another 7 years.
On any car I leased, I changed the oil one time, a couple months before I was gonna turn it in. Think about that when giving the blanket advice to buy something used.
glbisthewaytobe
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Originally posted by foofighter24
On any car I leased, I changed the oil one time, a couple months before I was gonna turn it in. Think about that when giving the blanket advice to buy something used.
That's why it's important to know a mechanic and have them inspect the vehicle before you buy it. If the dealer doesn't let you do that you walk the fuck away.
On any car I leased, I changed the oil one time, a couple months before I was gonna turn it in. Think about that when giving the blanket advice to buy something used.
That's why it's important to know a mechanic and have them inspect the vehicle before you buy it. If the dealer doesn't let you do that you walk the fuck away.
jdbolick
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Problem is you're buying the car for utility, not for an investment. There's a certain peace of mind that comes with buying a quality car with 7 miles on it. You know the cars life. You control the cars life as best a car owner can.
Indeed. A used car by definition has been dumped by someone else. Either it had problems or someone simply didn't like it enough to keep it, but it's always going to be older and more worn than a new car. If you save enough it can be worth it, but you're taking a heck of a risk. I'm approaching eight years on my car in a few months with no problems thus far. *furiouswoodknocking*
Problem is you're buying the car for utility, not for an investment. There's a certain peace of mind that comes with buying a quality car with 7 miles on it. You know the cars life. You control the cars life as best a car owner can.
Indeed. A used car by definition has been dumped by someone else. Either it had problems or someone simply didn't like it enough to keep it, but it's always going to be older and more worn than a new car. If you save enough it can be worth it, but you're taking a heck of a risk. I'm approaching eight years on my car in a few months with no problems thus far. *furiouswoodknocking*
Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
That's why it's important to know a mechanic and have them inspect the vehicle before you buy it. If the dealer doesn't let you do that you walk the fuck away.
I think you are putting too much faith in the mechanic. It's not like he is gonna take the motor apart.
That's why it's important to know a mechanic and have them inspect the vehicle before you buy it. If the dealer doesn't let you do that you walk the fuck away.
I think you are putting too much faith in the mechanic. It's not like he is gonna take the motor apart.
Pithy Radish
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Originally posted by foofighter24
I think you are putting too much faith in the mechanic. It's not like he is gonna take the motor apart.
Leakdown test and compression test are what mechanics use to determine the health of an engine. You can do those without tearing the engine apart, and they don't take very long.
I think you are putting too much faith in the mechanic. It's not like he is gonna take the motor apart.
Leakdown test and compression test are what mechanics use to determine the health of an engine. You can do those without tearing the engine apart, and they don't take very long.
Edited by Pithy Radish on Mar 30, 2015 20:02:29
Originally posted by Pithy Radish
Leakdown test and compression test are what mechanics use to determine the health of an engine. You can do those without tearing the engine apart, and they don't take very long.
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
Leakdown test and compression test are what mechanics use to determine the health of an engine. You can do those without tearing the engine apart, and they don't take very long.
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
glbisthewaytobe
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Originally posted by foofighter24
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
No they can't, but if you get to know your mechanic well enough they will tell you if it's worth your investment.
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
No they can't, but if you get to know your mechanic well enough they will tell you if it's worth your investment.
Pithy Radish
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Originally posted by foofighter24
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
Leakdown, and compression test are actually a great indicator of how the car was taken care of, and the overall health of an engine. A car that was abused like your example that you gave will likely have components in the engine that have increased wear. These test, even on a newer car will be able to show you the health of the engine. If your headgasket is in poor repair, or for some reason the insides of your engine are getting worn, or your piston rings are going bad this test will tell you. On a 5 year vehicle, assuming you avoid certain cars your chances are you will have an engine that will run for YEARS without trouble, assuming you do your part.
Buying used cars is not as perilous as you're making it seem. Vehicles from around 2010 are very reliable, and relatively trouble free comparatively, considering you buy from the right brand, and pick the right model. Now --- in a few years I would avoid used cars. I really don't like what is happening to the auto industry, with 2012 cars and above we hardly have anybody that can diagnose, and work on the electrical systems. Some Mercedes for example have around 90 computer modules, and there are a lot of issues that can go on with them. Plus on newer cars nobody knows how to fix them anymore, even at the dealerships. There are very few people who can, and generally they leave the shop environment and either start their own shops or become diagnostics consultants.
The next thing you have to consider about used cars is their is usually a lot of information on them. People already know their pattern wear, and understand and know all of the issues with the car. With new vehicles you are the BETA tester, especially on new platforms. If you buy a vehicle that is filled with problems, and a lemon, you're not going to get years of usage out of it. Scion FRS buyers are very sad right, they bought a car that is riddled with faulty injectors. Toyota is ignoring the problem, Toyota also has another problem, their new engines piston rings are going out at low mileage, and causing the cars compression to go down at extremely high rates. This leads to low power, bad gas mileage, and premature engine failure. They are ignoring the problem because they don't want to pay for it, and most modern day consumers don't check for oil consumption. This is a problem most people don't catch until their car is out of warranty, manufacturers do this all of the time so they don't have to pay for warranties.
My point was that they can tell you about condition now, but they can't predict the future. You are still buying something with wear and older parts that is outside of the warranty. Even a great mechanic is not a fortune teller.
Leakdown, and compression test are actually a great indicator of how the car was taken care of, and the overall health of an engine. A car that was abused like your example that you gave will likely have components in the engine that have increased wear. These test, even on a newer car will be able to show you the health of the engine. If your headgasket is in poor repair, or for some reason the insides of your engine are getting worn, or your piston rings are going bad this test will tell you. On a 5 year vehicle, assuming you avoid certain cars your chances are you will have an engine that will run for YEARS without trouble, assuming you do your part.
Buying used cars is not as perilous as you're making it seem. Vehicles from around 2010 are very reliable, and relatively trouble free comparatively, considering you buy from the right brand, and pick the right model. Now --- in a few years I would avoid used cars. I really don't like what is happening to the auto industry, with 2012 cars and above we hardly have anybody that can diagnose, and work on the electrical systems. Some Mercedes for example have around 90 computer modules, and there are a lot of issues that can go on with them. Plus on newer cars nobody knows how to fix them anymore, even at the dealerships. There are very few people who can, and generally they leave the shop environment and either start their own shops or become diagnostics consultants.
The next thing you have to consider about used cars is their is usually a lot of information on them. People already know their pattern wear, and understand and know all of the issues with the car. With new vehicles you are the BETA tester, especially on new platforms. If you buy a vehicle that is filled with problems, and a lemon, you're not going to get years of usage out of it. Scion FRS buyers are very sad right, they bought a car that is riddled with faulty injectors. Toyota is ignoring the problem, Toyota also has another problem, their new engines piston rings are going out at low mileage, and causing the cars compression to go down at extremely high rates. This leads to low power, bad gas mileage, and premature engine failure. They are ignoring the problem because they don't want to pay for it, and most modern day consumers don't check for oil consumption. This is a problem most people don't catch until their car is out of warranty, manufacturers do this all of the time so they don't have to pay for warranties.
Edited by Pithy Radish on Mar 30, 2015 20:55:08
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