Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean, he's not wrong. Two games in bad weather isn't exactly the best data.

The main driving factor was realizing the changes actually made were the opposite of the changes actually communicated. The original changes made kinda made no sense to begin with. Needing to pass a check so that you can get to have a noodle arm when throwing an 8 yard pass over the middle is a bit dumb.

Pass arcs had been a known issue for quite awhile. Going in with the knowledge that it was going to nerf zone, I requested several other nerfs to passing that I had wanted for awhile. Namely receiver reactions to bad passes, and On the Run being ridiculously strong. Both amplify the effect of a pass rush forcing bad passes, which is another area that zone shines in comparison to man coverage. Couple that with the fairly small change to passing arc (there's still examples of underneath players getting their hands on balls), and the meltdown looks silly to me.

God love you for trying, but in my defense they threw lots of coal on my fire, CD... I didn't start out nuclear.

Originally posted by dredgar
Swat down is way better.

Yeah.

In your head maybe.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
And 2 games in the snow with bad Pass Aware QB's were good data analysis for the orignal change. OK.

I've been posting games about Pass Power for a few seasons now. Even compared my 18 power to my 81 power QB for seasons with examples. This issue didn't pop up yesterday

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Yeah.

In your head maybe.

It fires a ton more and makes a big impact, I had the number one defense for a reason using it on all my DBs. But it is something that maybe just works for my builds.

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean yeah, DE contain is a pretty heavy counter to WR screens lol

They're still not exactly working spectacularly, but not because of that specific play. Will probably look at them again down the line.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/814537

He ran 88 screens against Zone with 88 completions, I don't think Man has that kinda success currently does it, or am I wrong here? Not trying to be a dick, legitimately asking if this is an outlier or not.

EOTP is the best ability in the game. the + vert is massive

overall I've ran 20 or so scrims across two teams the past two days and it appears as if zone has been buffed. the ball seems to have more speed and arc variance now so sometimes it seems backs can make a hit sooner or jump the route quicker. the ball looks better when thrown. If your trying a high arc pass sub 20 yards it should be a slow pass. a db should be able to make a play on that ball given he is quick enough.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
I've been posting games about Pass Power for a few seasons now. Even compared my 18 power to my 81 power QB for seasons with examples. This issue didn't pop up yesterday

Bo, I agreed with you on Pass Power.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/814537

He ran 88 screens against Zone with 88 completions, I don't think Man has that kinda success currently does it or am I wrong here? Not trying to be a dick, legitimately asking if this is an outlier or not.

Teams should have like 90%+ completion on screens against teams that don't run anybody in the flats since it's uncontested. Basically playing catch in the back yard with a friend.

And yes, the man reaction to screens is not ideal, I need to figure out a way to make it better by making it worse.

Dred, let’s be real here. If max stats are nfl level (basing these via coombine #s) the 50 pass power is high school football. I’m at 83 and mine look the same.

You’re right about power, but I wouldn’t say 50 is a good baseline lol

Also I have another scrimmage against the Glice Lions. Who are a great zone defense, myrik cant say they arent. And so far he is destroying my man defense passing and he is murdering my pass with his zone defense. These are with my standard offense and defense that just won me a #1 ladder in vet. So please keep saying with no proof how zone got nerfed. It is looking just as good so far.

Originally posted by dredgar
Also I have another scrimmage against the Glice Lions. Who are a great zone defense, myrik cant say they arent. And so far he is destroying my man defense passing and he is murdering my pass with his zone defense. These are with my standard offense and defense that just won me a #1 ladder in vet. So please keep saying with no proof how zone got nerfed. It is looking just as good so far.

Actually I think he's got an elite Zone defense, I want you to scrim him. Those games I can get behind one way or another.

And C-Dog agrees about the Zone nerf, that you are wrong about, you just don't understand my point.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Dred, let’s be real here. If max stats are nfl level (basing these via coombine #s) the 50 pass power is high school football. I’m at 83 and mine look the same.

You’re right about power, but I wouldn’t say 50 is a good baseline lol

mostly fair point. I just dont know where you get more power on a QB without making him still throw in-accurate passes all the time. Hell my QB now in this scrim is throwing shit all over the place half the time.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/814537

He ran 88 screens against Zone with 88 completions,.

Lol

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Actually I think he's got an elite Zone defense, I want you to scrim him. Those games I can get behind one way or another.

(And C-Dog agrees about the Zone nerf, that you are wrong about, you just don't understand my point).

dude proof is in the pudding. dont say shit out of opinion without proof, its stupid. Come watch this game. My team is competing via our running still but our passing is ass. He is throwing it all over the field on my man defense. I have proof, you have speculation. In any arguement ever, which is better to argue with? He still has 3+ int by the 3rd.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/814537

He ran 88 screens against Zone with 88 completions, I don't think Man has that kinda success currently does it or am I wrong here? Not trying to be a dick, legitimately asking if this is an outlier or not.

its not nearly that effective against man. zone is very weak against screens as far as completion %. after the catch it depends on who breaks and holds blocks i would say a majority of the time the screen side has the man advantage.