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Originally posted by kurieg
48 Strength is shit.

for a fucking combo back or power back yes, what do you not get about this?

Just because it doesn't work in the current sim doesn't mean it shouldn't.

Originally posted by kurieg
As long as you take a massive energy and morale hit every time you get Big Hit by a triple digit strength D-linemen, then I guess I"m ok, though, with 48 Strength.

Ding, Ding, Ding. I agree. Anytime you get Monster Hit or Big Hit... It should have a penalty. Especially if you build a freaking Reggie Bush. But that is the trade off.

This should not be implemented over night... It needs to be tested.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
And I don't think 61 + str resembles anything like what an elusive back should look like.

Softcapped is all they should need.

i have to ask...why would they even need soft capped strength if their main goal is to run away from defenders?O_o

Originally posted by Bukowski
I'm sure Strength does help with fumble protection, but you're talking about needing Strength just to need it. If you have enough Carrying/Cover Up, you shouldn't be fumble prone, just because you don't have 68 Strength. Otherwise, what is the point of making Elusive Backs?
Just as a random piece of information, Barry Sanders set the leg press record for the OSU football team. I forget the exact number, but it was up somewhere near 1000 pounds.

Originally posted by Bukowski
You can't build a real elusive back, if you need a ton of fucking strength.

It is hard enough to build an elusive back. I don't think you get that.

This is going completely over kurieg's head.

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by Bukowski

But I'm not talking about a RB without Strength and Carrying.

I'm talking about one with a decent amount of Strength, with high Carrying. He shouldn't be a fumble machine.

48 Strength is shit.

48 strength is pretty damn low, but with 70ish carrying they should be viable to be a 5-7 carry homerun threat type back.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Instead of adding an inherent ability to fake (horrible, horrible idea), what about if Head Fake and Juke could be affected by agility itself?

I thought agility already played a role in their success. I think adding a balance penalty to being faked out makes perfect sense. I would add a fumble protection penalty when faking as well, but people wouldn't like that.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Str is to avoid fumbles and carry is to hold onto the ball.

You've created quite a conundrum

Evidently only for the slow.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Instead of adding an inherent ability to fake (horrible, horrible idea), what about if Head Fake and Juke could be affected by agility itself? Maybe it could work in conjunction with the carrying attribute, or perhaps it could be an "or" situation where the highest of the two is used for the roll. That and continued improvement of pathing would make agility a lot more attractive.

The problem with that is that before a RB gets those SAs, they are useless, that's why agility should give them an inherent ability to fake. My power RB with no SAs can break like 90 tackles in 90 carries but an elusive guy can't use his agility to make people miss until he gets SAs? Does that not seem messed up? Strength gives you an inherent ability to break tackles but agility shouldn't give you an inherent ability to fake guys?

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Originally posted by kurieg

As long as you take a massive energy and morale hit every time you get Big Hit by a triple digit strength D-linemen, then I guess I"m ok, though, with 48 Strength.

Ding, Ding, Ding. I agree. Anytime you get Monster Hit or Big Hit... It should have a penalty. Especially if you build a freaking Reggie Bush. But that is the trade off.

This should not be implemented over night... It needs to be tested.

Yeah, they should be viable but also clearly not a every down back.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Just as a random piece of information, Barry Sanders set the leg press record for the OSU football team. I forget the exact number, but it was up somewhere near 1000 pounds.



Can't make that comparison when there is no "leg strength" in GLB.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Bukowski

I'm sure Strength does help with fumble protection, but you're talking about needing Strength just to need it. If you have enough Carrying/Cover Up, you shouldn't be fumble prone, just because you don't have 68 Strength. Otherwise, what is the point of making Elusive Backs?
Just as a random piece of information, Barry Sanders set the leg press record for the OSU football team. I forget the exact number, but it was up somewhere near 1000 pounds.



leg strength =/=GLB strength

Originally posted by blln4lyf
What part? Because by the time HB's get to the outside they are normally full speed, so I assume you mean moving horizontally?

The CB's are also moving full speed to catch them. Most of the time the CB's downfield are backing up, not in the best position to tackle.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
for a fucking combo back or power back yes, what do you not get about this?

Just because it doesn't work in the current sim doesn't mean it shouldn't.

61 Strength is retarded for a combo or power back. It's not even worth mentioning.