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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

You didn't ask for that, though, you claimed that the reason was because they disagree with me.
See: Last night.
See: The bans everyone is serving
See: the fact that this forum exists and is sanctioned by pallow/max despite a near-guarantee of support by inactivity for anything a mod does
See: The photos from last night of CPL mid-troll
See: The shit those mods say to people
See: The reasons given for moderatorial actions citing rules that don't exist
See: The fact that these huge problems only arrive when they intervene
See: The fact that everyone knows e-peen self-felatio is not a good moderator pasttime
See: The fact that there is literally no pre-req for becoming a mod except winning the lottery.

what a horrible tangent... thanks a lot.

i wasn't claiming squat. i was rephrasing your argument as you had thus far developed it.

and now that you've developed further, it looks like we're done.

ur gay

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams


You didn't ask for that, though, you claimed that the reason was because they disagree with me.
See: Last night.
See: The bans everyone is serving
See: the fact that this forum exists and is sanctioned by pallow/max despite a near-guarantee of support by inactivity for anything a mod does
See: The photos from last night of CPL mid-troll
See: The shit those mods say to people
See: The reasons given for moderatorial actions citing rules that don't exist
See: The fact that these huge problems only arrive when they intervene
See: The fact that everyone knows e-peen self-felatio is not a good moderator pasttime
See: The fact that there is literally no pre-req for becoming a mod except winning the lottery.

what a horrible tangent... thanks a lot.

i wasn't claiming squat. i was rephrasing your argument as you had thus far developed it.

and now that you've developed further, it looks like we're done.

ur gay

Refined like a triple-distilled vodka.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
although the next step is to say that anyone conscious of this structure can't complain about inevitable results.
But we already know the outcomes...which is a dead forum because the majority of CPL doesn't care. Just like all of the srs CPL private forums are dead, aside from a GG thread once or twice a season.
not those outcomes. i'm talking about random mods being summoned to ban people
but concerning the outcomes you're talking about, i'm not sure why anyone would care that a GG subforum would be dead. show of hands?
Because the entire reason they are upset now is the Johnny/Jimmy/Catherine vs. Shelby example I posted.

okay... why aren't people getting this?

it doesn't matter why they're upset. they will always be upset. or GLB comes crashing down on their side, and then you guys would be upset. there will always be this disagreement... it will never go away.

so not that that's settled, what possible solutions could there be? short of deciding completely in favor of one side or the other, how about segregating the groups into two different forums.

sounds great. prevents all complaints. problem solved.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by Catullus 16

although the next step is to say that anyone conscious of this structure can't complain about inevitable results.
But we already know the outcomes...which is a dead forum because the majority of CPL doesn't care. Just like all of the srs CPL private forums are dead, aside from a GG thread once or twice a season.
not those outcomes. i'm talking about random mods being summoned to ban people
but concerning the outcomes you're talking about, i'm not sure why anyone would care that a GG subforum would be dead. show of hands?
Because the entire reason they are upset now is the Johnny/Jimmy/Catherine vs. Shelby example I posted.

okay... why aren't people getting this?

it doesn't matter why they're upset. they will always be upset. or GLB comes crashing down on their side, and then you guys would be upset. there will always be this disagreement... it will never go away.

so not that that's settled, what possible solutions could there be? short of deciding completely in favor of one side or the other, how about segregating the groups into two different forums.

sounds great. prevents all complaints. problem solved.

The last line of your post is invalidated by the first.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle
Now, back to the Restructureament.
I'm saying it's not going to work, because I will troll it. Where as now, where CPL meta-trolls GG threads, in their own GG sub-forum, the GG dot crowd will be lured in under a false idea of security, which I will abuse, and then proceed to elicit hilarious reactions from. What's worse, going hunting for deer and waiting for them to wander by your deer blind, or going hunting for deer, and baiting them to your deer blind?
well... but that's why i'm saying that the GG subforum should be moderated by non-CPL mods.
troll away, but you can't complain when drksandman pulls rank on you.
you can when he's unable to cite a valid rule broken for which to ban you.

that's a completely separate issue, of course.

Originally posted by Gturtle
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16


Originally posted by Azure Dreams



You didn't ask for that, though, you claimed that the reason was because they disagree with me.
See: Last night.
See: The bans everyone is serving
See: the fact that this forum exists and is sanctioned by pallow/max despite a near-guarantee of support by inactivity for anything a mod does
See: The photos from last night of CPL mid-troll
See: The shit those mods say to people
See: The reasons given for moderatorial actions citing rules that don't exist
See: The fact that these huge problems only arrive when they intervene
See: The fact that everyone knows e-peen self-felatio is not a good moderator pasttime
See: The fact that there is literally no pre-req for becoming a mod except winning the lottery.

what a horrible tangent... thanks a lot.

i wasn't claiming squat. i was rephrasing your argument as you had thus far developed it.

and now that you've developed further, it looks like we're done.

ur gay

Refined like a triple-distilled vodka.

absolut?

Originally posted by Catullus 16
it doesn't matter why they're upset. they will always be upset. or GLB comes crashing down on their side, and then you guys would be upset. there will always be this disagreement... it will never go away.

It does if you ignore it for long enough.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Gturtle

Now, back to the Restructureament.
I'm saying it's not going to work, because I will troll it. Where as now, where CPL meta-trolls GG threads, in their own GG sub-forum, the GG dot crowd will be lured in under a false idea of security, which I will abuse, and then proceed to elicit hilarious reactions from. What's worse, going hunting for deer and waiting for them to wander by your deer blind, or going hunting for deer, and baiting them to your deer blind?
well... but that's why i'm saying that the GG subforum should be moderated by non-CPL mods.
troll away, but you can't complain when drksandman pulls rank on you.
you can when he's unable to cite a valid rule broken for which to ban you.

that's a completely separate issue, of course.



yeah, but it still pisses me off. and is relevant to my MODS NEEDA B FIIIIIIIRED point.

Originally posted by Gturtle
Really, the fact that four moderators, who by the definition of the job should ease tension on the forum, have managed to escalate the tensions to the point where the administrators have sanctioned the creation of this private forum speaks volumes of their ability to perform their assigned tasks.

i agree...

but one counter-argument is that it's not necessarily the moderators' fault if the rabble doesn't like being forced to obey the rules.

another counter-argument is that perhaps the moderators should be even more pro-active and prevent certain people from being mocked into a coronary in the first place.

That said: I'm not necessarily wholly against an addition of a new sub-forum for them, i'm just saying it won't help so if we go into things with that plan it would be tantamount to starting GLB with someone like DD in charge of customer support.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle

Really, the fact that four moderators, who by the definition of the job should ease tension on the forum, have managed to escalate the tensions to the point where the administrators have sanctioned the creation of this private forum speaks volumes of their ability to perform their assigned tasks.

i agree...

but one counter-argument is that it's not necessarily the moderators' fault if the rabble doesn't like being forced to obey the rules.

another counter-argument is that perhaps the moderators should be even more pro-active and prevent certain people from being mocked into a coronary in the first place.

Nothing to mock if they're banned imo.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
the idea here isn't to give everyone their pretty pony and their castle in the sky... it's to come up with a structural solution to preclude any complaints. the existence of a CPL-free GG forum means that no one can ever complain about the CPL ever again... sounds win-win to me.
Except, since their forum is dead, they complain that the non-GG forum is active, and if they post there, they get flamed. Most of the complaints aren't because they dislike the forum, it is because they dislike other people having fun and want it taken away...regardless if they have a GG forum or not.
but that's the point of the structure.
the creation of the GG forum (subject to universal forum rules) means that the CPL forum (subject to whatever rules you guys create) means that the GG crowd can never complain about how they're treated in the CPL forum.
But they'll still complain about wanting our parents killed because they're happy.

i'm so confused.

good work.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle

Really, the fact that four moderators, who by the definition of the job should ease tension on the forum, have managed to escalate the tensions to the point where the administrators have sanctioned the creation of this private forum speaks volumes of their ability to perform their assigned tasks.

i agree...

but one counter-argument is that it's not necessarily the moderators' fault if the rabble doesn't like being forced to obey the rules.

another counter-argument is that perhaps the moderators should be even more pro-active and prevent certain people from being mocked into a coronary in the first place.

counter argument: VT and DB seem to manage just fine

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
but that's the point of the structure.
the creation of the GG forum (subject to universal forum rules) means that the CPL forum (subject to whatever rules you guys create) means that the GG crowd can never complain about how they're treated in the CPL forum.
But...they will.

fine, yes, they will.

but my point is that they won't be justified in it. have some standard boilerplate thing ready so that everyone knows the score.

it's not like isn't already multiple precedents for this.

Originally posted by Gturtle
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
but that's the point of the structure.
the creation of the GG forum (subject to universal forum rules) means that the CPL forum (subject to whatever rules you guys create) means that the GG crowd can never complain about how they're treated in the CPL forum.
But...they will.
If we create a GG sub forum, they'll complain that CPL should be the sub forum and not CPL GG

which is why i have already suggested co-subforums.