Warrior General Games

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Do you actually call all the plays? Or are you just a mouthpiece riding on other's curtails?

you seriously gonna try and post a who-r-u? ive OC'ed every BB game since day 1. we have always had a DC but in the past ive done both when necessary. only mouthpiece i am aware of between our two teams is your lil dick rider cuivenenenenen before he rage quit the forums or got banned for being a dork

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
I have beat almost all of the greats at some point usually with mediocre rosters.

key word, "almost". the difference is the best dont "almost" win, they just win lol (like BB has done every single time we've played whoville)

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Give us the same exact rosters and no coaches and I would destroy you every time.

or you could just try to be a better team owner and post better player builds and do a better job constructing your team and the builds? you know, like elite teams do?? which you know, is like pretty much also the entire concept of this game???

oh and i typically have only 3-5 players of my own on our BB rosters, the rest are from other coaches. looks like you have a full 33% of your roster as players you created yourself - so maybe your "mediocre roster" is because you are "mediocre" coach AND player builder?

imo just give it a rest, youre just digging yourself a bigger hole. all youve done to this point is come off like a salty bitter whiney nerd while also proving GEs statement to be valid, so GG for giving GE something to be right about for once lol

Originally posted by Sov.
or you could just try to be a better team owner and post better player builds and do a better job constructing your team and the builds? you know, like elite teams do?? which you know, is like pretty much also the entire concept of this game???


Cuiv definitely irritated me at times. Didn't piss me off on the level of Peeti but Cuiv was a little b*tch too!

And anybody who is capable of being a quality OC or DC is capable of doing the other well IMO. It just boils down to who has the most time to put in to Gameplans if builds are up to snuff.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
And anybody who is capable of being a quality OC or DC is capable of doing the other well IMO. It just boils down to who has the most time to put in to Gameplans if builds are up to snuff.

especially with scout. Anyone can do it imo

The only person I consider super elite is Rob. Mostly because he has the new meta near perfected by the time most are just figuring out there is a new meta.

We had some bad RNG last season and lost some really close ones in the last moments of games. I just don't see how that makes my team suck and the other super elite. Seems pretty damn close to me.

Only super-elite teams I can think of recently are BSB, Vape, LLUA, and HoF. I could be missing a few though. Basically, teams that showed dominance through the tiers, and also won the Vet ladder.

But even then, there are more "elite" teams in Vet than ever before. All four of those teams I named could have 2 or 3 losses already, competition is that deep. Used to be that top Vet teams faced some decent opponents, along with a ton of badly built squads mixed with CPU teams, and then feasted on Pro/Jrny tiers in the ladders.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
We had some bad RNG last season and lost some really close ones in the last moments of games. I just don't see how that makes my team suck and the other super elite. Seems pretty damn close to me.

#1 ladder trophies, vet league trophies, perfect seasons (2 in BB's case) so basically yeah, things BB and BSB have and you/whoville dont.

for the record, no one has said whoville sucks, you just took offense to GEs comment about no elite teams being in the current crop of vet and decided to reply with a statement whoville is in the same category as a BSB or a BB, which i would then refer to my statement above. other than that, i believe whoville has been a staple top 10 team, just not an elite one.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Only super-elite teams I can think of recently are BSB, Vape, LLUA, and HoF. I could be missing a few though. Basically, teams that showed dominance through the tiers, and also won the Vet ladder.

But even then, there are more "elite" teams in Vet than ever before. All four of those teams I named could have 2 or 3 losses already, competition is that deep. Used to be that top Vet teams faced some decent opponents, along with a ton of badly built squads mixed with CPU teams, and then feasted on Pro/Jrny tiers in the ladders.

elite teams in my mind are: stunners, hawaii bulls, AA, DD, DA, HOF, BSB, BB, Vape, and LLUA. 10 total in 25 seasons

i believe there are ZERO elite teams in vet currently and this is by far the weakest and least depth of any vet tier i have seen pretty much ever. again, only 10 teams in my mind can be considered elite so to say there is none currently is not meant to offend anyone, but its definitely a bit crazy to me to hear that anyone would think this current crop of vet teams is solid let alone "the most elite teams in vet than ever before" lol.

Originally posted by Sov.
elite teams in my mind are: stunners, hawaii bulls, AA, DD, DA, HOF, BSB, BB, Vape, and LLUA. 10 total in 25 seasons

i believe there are ZERO elite teams in vet currently and this is by far the weakest and least depth of any vet tier i have seen pretty much ever. again, only 10 teams in my mind can be considered elite so to say there is none currently is not meant to offend anyone, but its definitely a bit crazy to me to hear that anyone would think this current crop of vet teams is solid let alone "the most elite teams in vet than ever before" lol.

Disagree. The current vet tier is probably the deepest ever but lacks top notch teams. When the #15 team can beat the #1 team, that is depth.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Disagree. The current vet tier is probably the deepest ever but lacks top notch teams. When the #15 team can beat the #1 team, that is depth.

GE my statement was there is ZERO elite teams, you reply with a statement the current tier "lacks top notch teams" ...

i stand corrected on my comment on depth tho, you are correct, there is much more depth currently than in recent seasons. (mostly due to the tier changes but still a valid point) but again my main point is only the fact that there is no elite teams in this current vet tier.

edit: oh and i just gave you the only +1 i've ever seen on one of your posts

Originally posted by Sov.
elite teams in my mind are: stunners, hawaii bulls, AA, DD, DA, HOF, BSB, BB, Vape, and LLUA. 10 total in 25 seasons

i believe there are ZERO elite teams in vet currently and this is by far the weakest and least depth of any vet tier i have seen pretty much ever. again, only 10 teams in my mind can be considered elite so to say there is none currently is not meant to offend anyone, but its definitely a bit crazy to me to hear that anyone would think this current crop of vet teams is solid let alone "the most elite teams in vet than ever before" lol.

Hmm, what is the definition of an elite team in your eyes? Because Alaska has dominated all their tiers so far, and had only two close losses this season to the likes of Whoville and Outlaws(both great teams). They'll likely joining the group of teams I listed before, the way things are going, and absolutely have a future case as an super-elite squad.

Second, with all due respect to BB who I do consider "elite", I can't put them on the super-elite tier with BSB/Vape. Their last run isn't any better than AA's current, or Whoville's. If Whoville wins Vet this season, they would have their Soph, Seasoned, Pro ladders, and Vet #1. I would say both BB and Whoville are elite teams and about on par with each other. Teams like Bloody Slaughterhouse were right with you guys, but the super-elite teams(very small group) were more dominant.

Lastly, this is definitely the deepest I've sen Vet. Please name a deeper season, because I'm not seeing it. Player builds are better, there are more S* players on squads than ever, and far better coaching. A team like Deadman Genesis would be a Top 5 squad most seasons in the past and are sitting at #15. Let's be real, most Vets teams in the past were crap and easy prey. It's a shame we don't have old leagues standings to compare all the seasons.

Originally posted by Sov.
elite teams in my mind are: stunners, hawaii bulls, AA, DD, DA, HOF, BSB, BB, Vape, and LLUA. 10 total in 25 seasons

i believe there are ZERO elite teams in vet currently and this is by far the weakest and least depth of any vet tier i have seen pretty much ever. again, only 10 teams in my mind can be considered elite so to say there is none currently is not meant to offend anyone, but its definitely a bit crazy to me to hear that anyone would think this current crop of vet teams is solid let alone "the most elite teams in vet than ever before" lol.

Isn't AA in Vet?

We have beat Hawaii, AA, DA, and BSB. We have not beat BB or Vape. We have had close games against both of those teams and lost in crazy improbable finishes. We never played the Stunners who left vet the season we came up, never played HOF or LLUA. DD was in our league when I was a noob.

I'm not saying we are better than anyone but we are not the scrubs you make us out to be. Our first run I didn't know anyone and had a hastily thrown together roster of whoever I could get and still beat teams on your list. We were a fumble, missed chip shot, and an interception from beating another two. I'm just saying there isn't this huge gap like you make it out to be. Just look at Great Lakes vs AA.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
A team like Deadman Genesis would be a Top 5 squad most seasons in the past and are sitting at #15..

sorry bud, you're a good dude and coach but disagree with almost everything you've said, especially this point. also worth noting my clarifications for elite teams are historical. BSB1.0 was far below BSB2.0, BB1.0 was far superior than BB2.0, doesn't make BSB any more elite and BB any less. (but for the record i would give the nod to BSB for recent success) both teams have done plenty enough in the past to warranty elite status. same goes for the stunners, sure they havent been around for 12 or w/e seasons but they accomplished enough to earn that elite status in the past. txsteve could start up playing again tomorrow and have one of the best teams around, same goes for any of the coaches/owners of teams on my list.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Second, with all due respect to BB who I do consider "elite", I can't put them on the super-elite tier with BSB/Vape. Their last run isn't any better than AA's current, or Whoville's.

except BB was the only team to beat Vape (an elite team) and all of our losses that season were to elite teams (BSB and Vape). AA or whoville or anyone else this season cannot say that, because as i have made very clear, there are ZERO elite teams currently. you are comparing apples to oranges in a "very deep" tier with ZERO elite teams. hopefully this provides some insight

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
We have beat Hawaii, AA, DA, and BSB. We have not beat BB or Vape. We have had close games against both of those teams and lost in crazy improbable finishes. We never played the Stunners who left vet the season we came up, never played HOF or LLUA. DD was in our league when I was a noob.

I'm not saying we are better than anyone but we are not the scrubs you make us out to be. Our first run I didn't know anyone and had a hastily thrown together roster of whoever I could get and still beat teams on your list. We were a fumble, missed chip shot, and an interception from beating another two. I'm just saying there isn't this huge gap like you make it out to be. Just look at Great Lakes vs AA.

again, no one has ever said youre scrubs. you just said you're elite. i think ive made roughly 10+ points to prove that whoville is a very consistent top 10 team, but not elite. you dont become elite by beating an elite team, you become elite by CONSISTENTLY beating elite teams and winning vet championships and vet ladder trophies and perfect seasons, etc. so yes, the fact youve beaten elite teams means you were/are on the cusp, but until you have the other things i am speaking about i personally would not consider whoville elite. dont know how i can explain it any more clearly than that

edit - since you noted close but a fumble/int/etc away - another good point, s23 champ finals. BB wins that game we most likely end up #1 overall + obviously league champ. one fumble with 30 secs left and next thing you know BSB is hosting the trophy and won #1. does this make BB any less elite because 1 play? YES. because at the end of the day we lost and they won, they got the awards and the trophy and we got a better luck next time.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Isn't AA in Vet?

this current AA is not the AA i referred to. this current AA is a team rob made in one day by himself to earn s* pts when he was bored. it has 2 s* players and he hasnt gameplanned more than 5x in 3+ seasons lol. so this current AA (2.0 or 3.0 - i forget) is not the elite AA 1.0, but since rob is still an elite coach and can setup great builds and playbooks, even on autopilot it will be a top team but not elite. elite takes effort, which rob is not putting in as much (really at all) on this reset. this actually confirms my entire point, if a team on autopilot can be considered "elite" in this current gen, that is a problem lol.

Originally posted by Sov.


edit: oh and i just gave you the only +1 i've ever seen on one of your posts

Lol...that post also has 2 downvotes.