Goal Line Blitz - American Football MMORPG

odg62
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Oct 25, 2010 22:46:28

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Originally posted by tdot
OK I coach H.S. football andI don't understand how a Football game is being designed by ppl who don't understand how to either set up a way for this play to be blocked which should be extremely simple... but I guess it isn't I wouldn't know not a huge computer code person.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420117&pbp_id=10577300

Why doesn't the OL slide Left??? How in the world do you make a game that profits as much as this does but have an OL that can't Block this??? I have Freshman in H.S. that if seen a team line up like this wouldn't get beat by this scheme especially with a HB in the backfield to help.

have you guys thought about Zone blocking??? this way the OL doeasn't lock into any 1 players and this will allow this to take the guy who enters there zone.

What your missing is the fact that the people who complain about these blitzes(who are the same people that dont really understand football but yet have a enormus influence on GLB) feel like they shouldnt have to leave their HB or TE in to block. They also expect their QB to complete 87% of his passes while avraging 29 yards a pass while every blocker should hold every block for about 8 seconds and if those things dont happen...

"NERF DEFENSE FOR THE 31st TIME IN THIS GAME ITS NOT FAIR MY OFFENSE ISNT PERFECT EVERY PLAY!!!"

And the worst thing in GLB is that the people who run the game listin to it no matter how illogical it is, just like this change about to occur, which is one thing on a long long list going back to season 4.

Its never hard to remember why i stopped DC'n and spending money here.

odg62
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Oct 25, 2010 23:03:01

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Originally posted by The Avenger

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420397&pbp_id=12055680

Left side blocking ignorant, HB kept back......

Originally posted by The Avenger

LT and LG part the red sea! http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420397&pbp_id=12057995

Exploit blitz, regardless of the FB held back, there is no counter for avoiding this every time that offensive play is called.

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THATS NOT FAIR - THAT PLAY DOSENT WORK AGAINST A BLITZ! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL IT WHENEVER I WANT AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF MY PLAYBOOK WHEN I PLAY A TEAM THAT USES OVERLOAD BLITZES! THERE IS ONLY ONE THING TO DO - CUT OFF THE ARMS AND LEGS OF THE DPC SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADJUSTING MY PLAYBOOK BASED ON A DEFENSES TENDANCIES AND FINDING WAYS TO COUNTER BLITZES AT THE SAME TIME!!!! 75 POINTS AND 650 YARDS A GAME IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE OFFENSE I RUN - IM A GENIUS, FOR REAL!!!

...and GLB listens

The Avenger
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Oct 25, 2010 23:04:56

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Originally posted by odg62
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THATS NOT FAIR - THAT PLAY DOSENT WORK AGAINST A BLITZ! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL IT WHENEVER I WANT AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF MY PLAYBOOK WHEN I PLAY A TEAM THAT USES OVERLOAD BLITZES! THERE IS ONLY ONE THING TO DO - CUT OFF THE ARMS AND LEGS OF THE DPC SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADJUSTING MY PLAYBOOK BASED ON A DEFENSES TENDANCIES AND FINDING WAYS TO COUNTER BLITZES AT THE SAME TIME!!!! 75 POINTS AND 650 YARDS A GAME IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE OFFENSE I RUN - IM A GENIUS, FOR REAL!!!

...and GLB listens

Red Bull much?

odg62
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Oct 25, 2010 23:17:09

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Originally posted by The Avenger
Originally posted by odg62

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THATS NOT FAIR - THAT PLAY DOSENT WORK AGAINST A BLITZ! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL IT WHENEVER I WANT AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF MY PLAYBOOK WHEN I PLAY A TEAM THAT USES OVERLOAD BLITZES! THERE IS ONLY ONE THING TO DO - CUT OFF THE ARMS AND LEGS OF THE DPC SO I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADJUSTING MY PLAYBOOK BASED ON A DEFENSES TENDANCIES AND FINDING WAYS TO COUNTER BLITZES AT THE SAME TIME!!!! 75 POINTS AND 650 YARDS A GAME IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE OFFENSE I RUN - IM A GENIUS, FOR REAL!!!

...and GLB listens

Red Bull much?

Nah dont drink it. my theroy is in 10-20 years we'll see more people with energy drink related health problems than we do now with cigarettes, but anyway....

Im sorry to keep ranting about this, but i just cant beleive how often and how long this game has made changes to appease people who feel like GLB should be the same as playing madden as the AFC all pro team aginst the CPU as a NFL Europe team on Rookie difficulty while using 40 madden cards (and it always seems to be people who favor offense who think that way). And the peole who run GLB obviously feel the same way, its fucking insane.

Rage Kinard
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Oct 26, 2010 05:10:31

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Originally posted by tdot
OK I coach H.S. football andI don't understand how a Football game is being designed by ppl who don't understand how to either set up a way for this play to be blocked which should be extremely simple... but I guess it isn't I wouldn't know not a huge computer code person.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420117&pbp_id=10577300

Why doesn't the OL slide Left??? How in the world do you make a game that profits as much as this does but have an OL that can't Block this??? I have Freshman in H.S. that if seen a team line up like this wouldn't get beat by this scheme especially with a HB in the backfield to help.

have you guys thought about Zone blocking??? this way the OL doeasn't lock into any 1 players and this will allow this to take the guy who enters there zone.

Because they don't limit the builds. Zone blocking was tried and it didn't work. The defensive players are blitzing with 135-145 speed, while the OL has 60-70 speed. It's like a big fat guy who runs a 6.5 40 trying to get out of a stance and block a world class sprinter 2 yards away from him.

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It was pretty easy in season 12/13 to get sacks if you had a really fast DT. All you had to do was blitz a LB or FS between the LG and LT and put the DT head up with the LG.
The LT would block the RE on his outside. Then the LG had to chose to block either the blitzer or the DT. Whichever one he picked, the C had to block the other. Only the C could never get over to make the block because whoever the LG didn't chose was too fast and the C couldn't get there in time.

This probably could have been fixed by making Cs pump their speed up to 75-80 and agility up over 90. But instead of making offensive players adapt, OCs cried and got their way like they pretty much always do.

Edited by Rage Kinard on Oct 26, 2010 06:09:08

tragula
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Oct 26, 2010 08:00:00

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Originally posted by Rage Kinard

This probably could have been fixed by making Cs pump their speed up to 75-80 and agility up over 90. But instead of making offensive players adapt, OCs cried and got their way like they pretty much always do.

I thought your played GLB in the past. OL already have a problem with their primary attributes compared to DL which lead to a revcake party. Prior to S18 Centers was revcaked like they was teenagers playing against pro and teams used to load on them to destroy their morale. Moving attributes for the OL toward SPD and AGI is not a valid option.

Btw, I support fixing the blocking logic since many times it's horrible (pass and run). I am against nerfing DPC, and I don't remember myself ever complaining about an overload blitz.

jdbolick
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Oct 26, 2010 08:03:20

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Originally posted by The Avenger
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420397&pbp_id=12055680
Left side blocking ignorant, HB kept back......
Actually that's your LG's fault. That blitz almost never comes unblocked, but your LG was either slow or blind, and as a result he failed to get over. Seriously, you can look through our other games and see that the blitz rarely works against good teams.

Originally posted by The Avenger
LT and LG part the red sea! http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1420397&pbp_id=12057995 Exploit blitz, regardless of the FB held back, there is no counter for avoiding this every time that offensive play is called.
Yes, there is. Keep the TE OR the HB in, and that blitz doesn't work. Again, I know this because I designed it and have used it extensively. Expecting the FB to cross the formation in time to prevent a 140+ speed blitzing linebacker from reaching the QB is foolishness. If it worked as well as you say, I would use it more often. I use it against the Pro Set precisely because a lot of OCs don't want to keep the TE or HB in.

Edited by jdbolick on Oct 26, 2010 08:04:58

Rage Kinard
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Oct 26, 2010 08:05:20

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Originally posted by tragula
I thought your played GLB in the past. OL already have a problem with their primary attributes compared to DL which lead to a revcake party. Prior to S18 Centers was revcaked like they was teenagers playing against pro and teams used to load on them to destroy their morale. Moving attributes for the OL toward SPD and AGI is not a valid option.

Btw, I support fixing the blocking logic since many times it's horrible (pass and run). I am against nerfing DPC, and I don't remember myself ever complaining about an overload blitz.

Not in season 12/13. That was more season 15/16 after they buffed DL block breaking. Really there never was much of a problem from revcakes due to strength. It was always more a problem with agility reverse cakes because interior OL wanted to go all strength.

It's a vicious cycle. Defense finds a way to keep top offenses from scoring over 50 pts a game. Offense cries that SIM is broken. SIM gets changed. Defenses then scramble to adjust builds and tactics to hold scoring down. Offense cries the SIM is broken. repeat

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Oct 26, 2010 08:08:30

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Originally posted by Rage Kinard

It's a vicious cycle. Defense finds a way to keep top offenses from scoring over 50 pts a game. Offense cries that SIM is broken. SIM gets changed. Defenses then scramble to adjust builds and tactics to hold scoring down. Offense cries the SIM is broken. repeat

And with skill position offensive players costing 300 FP's, this will never change imo

jdbolick
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Oct 26, 2010 08:08:54

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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Not in season 12/13. That was more season 15/16 after they buffed DL block breaking. Really there never was much of a problem from revcakes due to strength. It was always more a problem with agility reverse cakes because interior OL wanted to go all strength.
I know that isn't true. We had some extremely high strength builds that hadn't gotten agility too high yet, but they rev-caked like crazy. In fact, I would say that strength did a much better job of that than agility.

jdbolick
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Oct 26, 2010 08:11:34

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By the way, can we please do something to make the catching attribute more important for catching the ball? The ridiculous rate of interceptions is the one thing about defenses that clearly needs a nerf, and it's because you can intercept passes with minimal catching (plus int % being too effective).

Rage Kinard
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Oct 26, 2010 08:15:27

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jdbolick
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Oct 26, 2010 08:20:18

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I was referring to this part of your post:
Originally posted by Rage Kinard
It was always more a problem with agility reverse cakes because interior OL wanted to go all strength.

Rage Kinard
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Oct 26, 2010 08:33:18

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Rage Kinard
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Oct 26, 2010 08:36:15

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Originally posted by jdbolick
I was referring to this part of your post:
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

It was always more a problem with agility reverse cakes because interior OL wanted to go all strength.

Sorry, I meant in seasons 12/13 before they seriously nerfed agility and seriously buffed strength because of the success of agility/speed DTs.

By season 15 (maybe not 14) strength reverse cakes were a problem because almost all DTs were switching all their equipment to strength and went from much more agile than OL to slightly stronger than OL. The strength buff then started working against the OL who had wanted strength to play a much bigger role in the OL/DL interaction.

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