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Also, I wouldn't have even known this thread was here if it hadn't been for an obscure post in the GLB forum that I happened to click that had a reference to this. I definitely think you need to find a different spot for this discussion.

Okay just so you know, in case you haven't read my team's situation.

With Bort's factoring 25% towards the highest level, my median level would be about 35. So my team would be in a 35 capped league.

Go look in the forums at everyone throwing a shit fit over teams having some folks over the level cap after the reshuffle was done. The same would happen after this, my team would get called out but no one would care that lots of players are 21-33. They'd focus on the handful (if that) of 40's.

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
Originally posted by jrry32

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Originally posted by JcWildcat





Read above.

That is not a solid justification unless you can further explain why having a BBB league below the A league means that there should be no caps on the A league.

Why not cap AAA Leagues? What solid justification can you give against doing that? There really is no solid justification for or against it but people came in knowing this is uncapped so there's no reason to change it up.

I can't give a justification for not capping AAA leagues, in fact I think that every level of the tree should be capped except Pro. I've been trying to keep up as best I can with this thread and have yet to see an explanation of how a shuffle followed by reasonable level caps would not work.

Well, I'll do my best to answer. Teams knew the A Leagues were uncapped so some decided to recruit uncapped players now you said don't remove them if they end up over the level in a capped league but that will lead to some teams complaining about other teams having an advantage and it is true, teams who have the players over the cap have an advantage so why not put everyone on a level playing field? Why change the rules in the middle of the off-season when everyone knew the rules beforehand?


Hey jrry, thanks for the response but please read my second to last post again. I'm not saying we should just cap all the leagues. I'm saying we should shuffle then cap. I believe that your reasoning not to cap goes away if a shuffle occurs. A level playing field occurs when teams that decided to recruit high get put with other teams at that level and teams that kept their BBB expansion teams together from last year get put with other teams in the same boat. The shuffle + cap proposition seems like a win-win for everybody (except high level teams expecting to beat up on low level teams).

BTW, congrats on the promotion.

Thanks and congrats on your title, but I was saying AFTER the shuffle, you can't expect to have every team in every league be all level 27-28(example) so say 3/4ths of the league is level 25-28 then there are a couple teams who just slid in with some level 35 players and you cap it at level 32, how is that fair to the level 27-28 teams who can't recruit any level 35 players? Not everyone is on an equal playing field.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Okay just so you know, in case you haven't read my team's situation.

With Bort's factoring 25% towards the highest level, my median level would be about 35. So my team would be in a 35 capped league.

Go look in the forums at everyone throwing a shit fit over teams having some folks over the level cap after the reshuffle was done. The same would happen after this, my team would get called out but no one would care that lots of players are 21-33. They'd focus on the handful (if that) of 40's.

Same with me.

Originally posted by Hells Horses
Originally posted by JcWildcat

37 for it, 13 against.

One additional conditional yes to make it 38 for it, they want to be guaranteed to be placed with the BBB teams they played last season.

That's not what I said in it's entirety. I said I wanted to be placed with the BBB teams I was with last season provided they selected the same level range as me

I summarized. Forgive me. And it's now 38/39 for it. Tbh though I'm not sure a guarantee could be made. You could quote yourself and see if Bort will clarify if that's possible though.

Originally posted by vinman
Originally posted by Gergie

The promotions that are hardest are those of us who were expansion teams last year in 13 cap BBBs that now are EEA uncapped with teams in the league already having full stadium builds. My 2 stadium sections + this offseason construction won't compete with full stadiums AND 35+ level players. Hell, the most my team I won with last season could boost to was 23-24. We didn't get moved in a logical manner to a 21 or 24 cap league. We basically went from playing for the local Class-A ballclub to facing the Yankees in 1 offseason, with half our stadiums still covered in cows. My team can compete in a 24 cap league. In uncapped A league, Bort gets a free 400 flex "wait til next year" payment from me. And I get to spend next offseason recruiting to replace players who got their asses kicked for a season and get discouraged and leave.

I dunno about you guys, but the agents who helped me win last season deserve any chance I can give them to compete fairly. I'm for a shuffle, though my lateness to the thread is unlikely to influence the decision.

Owner - EEA8 Krakow Kings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7184



I've got the kings and the ravens both in for the tally. ty.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Okay just so you know, in case you haven't read my team's situation.

With Bort's factoring 25% towards the highest level, my median level would be about 35. So my team would be in a 35 capped league.

Go look in the forums at everyone throwing a shit fit over teams having some folks over the level cap after the reshuffle was done. The same would happen after this, my team would get called out but no one would care that lots of players are 21-33. They'd focus on the handful (if that) of 40's.

Same with me.

Now if we had a guarantee there were what? 32 teams exactly like us and we'd all be put together that MIGHT be okay. I just don't see it happening that way.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by JcWildcat


Okay just so you know, in case you haven't read my team's situation.

With Bort's factoring 25% towards the highest level, my median level would be about 35. So my team would be in a 35 capped league.

Go look in the forums at everyone throwing a shit fit over teams having some folks over the level cap after the reshuffle was done. The same would happen after this, my team would get called out but no one would care that lots of players are 21-33. They'd focus on the handful (if that) of 40's.

Same with me.

Now if we had a guarantee there were what? 32 teams exactly like us and we'd all be put together that MIGHT be okay. I just don't see it happening that way.

Yep, I am sure there are a few teams like us but I also think we'll be unlucky because we assumed there wasn't going to be a shuffle so it'd be a ok to bring in a few high leveled guys to replacing departing players and now we might get stuck with teams who are fully level 35-45 in a shuffle.

Originally posted by Gergie
The promotions that are hardest are those of us who were expansion teams last year in 13 cap BBBs that now are EEA uncapped with teams in the league already having full stadium builds. My 2 stadium sections + this offseason construction won't compete with full stadiums AND 35+ level players. Hell, the most my team I won with last season could boost to was 23-24. We didn't get moved in a logical manner to a 21 or 24 cap league. We basically went from playing for the local Class-A ballclub to facing the Yankees in 1 offseason, with half our stadiums still covered in cows. My team can compete in a 24 cap league. In uncapped A league, Bort gets a free 400 flex "wait til next year" payment from me. And I get to spend next offseason recruiting to replace players who got their asses kicked for a season and get discouraged and leave.

I dunno about you guys, but the agents who helped me win last season deserve any chance I can give them to compete fairly. I'm for a shuffle, though my lateness to the thread is unlikely to influence the decision.

Owner - EEA8 Krakow Kings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7184

Your stadium isn't far behind ours, and we've been around an extra season. We just started in EEA uncapped, so our stadium has been slow going as well. But others did well out of BBB and have second tiers already built when they move up to EEA and they have cheaper rosters than we've ever had on our team. I'm not bitching- but BBB teams have more of an advantage than you think and are gonna do better than you think. And nothing is wrong with struggling here and there- we've done it for three seasons!

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by JcWildcat



Okay just so you know, in case you haven't read my team's situation.

With Bort's factoring 25% towards the highest level, my median level would be about 35. So my team would be in a 35 capped league.

Go look in the forums at everyone throwing a shit fit over teams having some folks over the level cap after the reshuffle was done. The same would happen after this, my team would get called out but no one would care that lots of players are 21-33. They'd focus on the handful (if that) of 40's.

Same with me.

Now if we had a guarantee there were what? 32 teams exactly like us and we'd all be put together that MIGHT be okay. I just don't see it happening that way.

Yep, I am sure there are a few teams like us but I also think we'll be unlucky because we assumed there wasn't going to be a shuffle so it'd be a ok to bring in a few high leveled guys to replacing departing players and now we might get stuck with teams who are fully level 35-45 in a shuffle.



That's what my thoughts are as well. Either that or we'd get put somewhere where people would go OMG help us they have a few higher levels lol.

Everything in season 10 is going to be different with the tower structure. So, whether it is now or in another 50 days, its going to happen anyway.

I think bort came to EE A this season because of the inordinate amount of expansion teams that got promoted due to an overly abundant number of CPU teams in the tiers above. Meaning that the majority of A leagues (mainly those in the bottom half) have 60 to 80% former 13 capped promoted teams. With that being the case, I bet he thought he'd post a quick question as it wouldn't take very much actual shuffling to put all the 13 capped promoted teams in leagues together (possibly the bottom two 7&8, and possibly he'd do it manually instead of running a script). What that would mean, however, is that some of the left over teams from last season would have to be moved out of their leagues and into a league higher up the chain.

I doubt the responses here, no matter how valid or absurd, will make it happen for season 9. I also doubt that people would quit the game in droves if he just went ahead and did it. As with getting promoted, just take your medicine, out-game plan your opponents (since you'll have like levels) and win a trophy anyway. Basically it really comes down to making X number of agents and players unhappy versus Y number of agents and players unhappy. There's no solution that will make everyone have a smile on their faces.

I still hold to the belief that people who don't want to be in a more competitive league overall are the kind of agents/owners that GLB doesn't need. I'm not saying that as a reason for a shuffle, but because the same sentiment is there. Teams that took a beating last year want to beat up on people and win a trophy, nothing wrong there, but sometimes life isn't always fair. A buddy of mine at work had the drinking age turned to 18 right after his 16th birthday (he's a bit older). Then two years later it changed to 21 two months after his 18th birthday. Just because he was left out doesn't mean he can go to the cops and say, "Hey, my friend had his birthday 5 months before mine, so I should get to drink legally for another 5 months." You just shrug your shoulders and keep trying to buy booze with fake I.D.s until you finally turn 21.

Just because GLB promotion/regulation has been a certain way for a certain time, doesn't mean that it should or has to stay that way. The game is Beta and it will be changed when it needs to be. If a shuffle happens, and your team doesn't get to beat up on as many teams as you would have liked, just roll with the punches. The same goes for if a shuffle doesn't happen. The expansion teams will do what your team did a season ago.

The best thing for GLB as a whole is more league parity, more overall competition and more structured promotion/relegation. Hands down.

I have a question. Why do those of you who got promoted from BBB think you should automatically be able to compete at the next level? Just because you had success at your level does not mean that you should immediately be competitive in a higher league. Are NCAA teams that move from Div 1AA (or whatever they call it now) to Div 1 competitive? No they get the crap kicked out of them for several seasons, lick their wounds and build for the future. Just because you had early success at a lower level does not mean that the structure of the game should be changed to accommodate your fragile egos.

We need a fucking answer now, period.

Originally posted by JCJayhawk
I have a question. Why do those of you who got promoted from BBB think you should automatically be able to compete at the next level? Just because you had success at your level does not mean that you should immediately be competitive in a higher league. Are NCAA teams that move from Div 1AA (or whatever they call it now) to Div 1 competitive? No they get the crap kicked out of them for several seasons, lick their wounds and build for the future. Just because you had early success at a lower level does not mean that the structure of the game should be changed to accommodate your fragile egos.

Why do you, as a Div 1 team, think that you should have the right to kick the crap out of Div 1AA teams for half of your regular season?