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Originally posted by Arles
Great game Thailand. We tried a few new things and while we lost, it showed us some things to help for the postseason. I don't think either of us were too worried about the result, but it was a good win for you guys.

It was a big win for us as it allowed us to retain the rights to host a post season game providing much needed stadium expansion cash. It also allowed us to continue to work on our offense against a very high quality defense.

It was a great game though. Considering you only had 55 seconds to score at the end you came darn close to coming down the field and doing it.

Rip

Ah, makes sense then.
Either way it's been entertaining.
Time for the playoffs... I have a feeling we'll see more than an upset or 2.

GG to the Kraits, you had me very very worried about that game. I knew it was going to be a close game, whew glad we pulled it off, since the top 5 in zeta all have the same record....one loss would've dropped us out of the top seeds.




To Alpha: You guys can't say nothing about your conference being better, this proves it! Not some srimmage or preseason game, but a regular season game that matters. Don't even try using 'we tried something different' blah blah, because im sure all the teams are doing different stuff before playoffs....Our top teams beat 7/8 of yours. THe one we lost was our 7 seed against your 1 seed....the real conference in the league has been shown to all and its Zeta.


Snaza: These other guys on Zeta are to nice, fact is our top teams vs your top teams, we won them all. Zeta swooped through Alpha, and Alpha still wondering what hit them. Take the beating like a man and sit down and stay good job. Ooooo, your bottom teams are better then our bottom teams, damn you got us there.... Guarantee that will change next season.

Actually, 4 of Zeta's top 8 beat 4 of Alpha's top 8. The remaining 3 winners from Zeta's top 8 beat lower half teams. 1 of Alpha's top 8 beat one of Zeta's top 8 and the remaining 3 beat lower half teams. Just because 7 of your top 8 teams won doesn't mean all 7 beat Alpha top 8 teams. 4 of Alpha's top 8 won their game as well. I'm not trying to discount the accomplishment, I just want the facts to be clear. I felt qualified to reply, since I'm not wondering what hit me... we won.

Originally posted by TurboBoxer
GG to the Kraits, you had me very very worried about that game. I knew it was going to be a close game, whew glad we pulled it off, since the top 5 in zeta all have the same record....one loss would've dropped us out of the top seeds.




To Alpha: You guys can't say nothing about your conference being better, this proves it! Not some srimmage or preseason game, but a regular season game that matters. Don't even try using 'we tried something different' blah blah, because im sure all the teams are doing different stuff before playoffs....Our top teams beat 7/8 of yours. THe one we lost was our 7 seed against your 1 seed....the real conference in the league has been shown to all and its Zeta.


Snaza: These other guys on Zeta are to nice, fact is our top teams vs your top teams, we won them all. Zeta swooped through Alpha, and Alpha still wondering what hit them. Take the beating like a man and sit down and stay good job. Ooooo, your bottom teams are better then our bottom teams, damn you got us there.... Guarantee that will change next season.

Yeah, I wasn't going to go into details. But TurboBoxer has a bug up his ass. So it's time to shut him up.
Please no one else take offense to this. This is just for TB's big ass head.

Here it is.

#1 Bulls
...Barely beat the #3 team in Alpha.
This is either a draw, or a slight win for Alpha.
Why? This basically proves the #1 and #2 teams in Alpha should beat them.

#2 Tsunamis
...Had to go to overtime to beat our #6 Macau.
Total win for Alpha.
Why? No explanation needed.

#3 Titans
...Beat #2 Idols in a close game. If Idols were experimenting doesn't really matter.
Push, or slight win for Zeta.
Why? Close game between a 2/3 seed isn't anything to brag about. But it's not 'nothing'.

#4 Red Bulls
...Crushed #4 Mekong.
Total win for Zeta
Why? No explanation needed. Although to be honest the Red Bulls should've been the #2 seed.

#5 Razorbacks
...Gave up 17 points to our #16 seed. Tied for the most they've scored all year.
Total win for Alpha
Why? N.E.N.

#6 Gangsters
...Soundly beat our #11 seed Stucknut.
Push
Why? They SHOULD have beat them by that much.

#7 Buzzards
...Crushed by our #1 seed Firestorm
Push
Why? See Above

#8 Bucks
...Soundly beat our #12 seed Chappell
Push
Why? See Above

#9 Fisherman
...Crushed by our #9 seed Golden Hill
Total win for Alpha
Why? N.E.D.

#10 Hurricane
...lost to our #7 Seed Mandalay
Push or slight win for Zeta for a close game
Why? Even though the final score was close, the game wasn't.

#11 Hellfighters
...lost to our #10 PP Warriors
Push
Why? Even teams, barely higher seed barely won.

#12 Clouded Leopards
...Crushed by our #8 seed.
Push
Why? Should have lost by that much

#13 Tetris Gods
...beat our #15 seed Oakland.
Push or Slight win for Alpha.
Why? 2 seed advantage should've won by more than a FG. And they were losing till the 4th quarter.

#14 Dunks
...soundly beat by our #13 seed.
Win for Alpha
Why? 1 seed difference, the game should've been a lot closer.

#15 Phooeys
...soundly beat by our #5 seed.
Push
Why? Should've been beaten by that much. And they were shut out, which isn't easy.

#16 Venoms
...shouldn't even mention them, but our #14 seed beat them soundly.
Push
Why? Should've won by that much.

Now, if you count the 'Slight Win's as a 1/2, and a win as a 1.
We have ...
Alpha - 5
Zeta - 2

Hmmm... sounds like someone doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.
The next time you wanna start talking shit, please stop... Slap yourself in the face, and remind yourself that you really aren't the best person to be talking. Ever. Just PM someone else and have them make the argument for you. They'll let you know if it's a real argument or something you're just making up.

You're lucky Rick Blaine isn't here or he'd really put the hurt on you.
So please, for your conference's sake. Just shut up. Or actually take some time and put a little thought into what you're saying. Unlike your last post.

Now say it with me...
Who's my bitch?
That's right, you are Turbo. You are.

Has he been drinking again?

Nope. Stone cold sober. Just really tired, and not in a good mood. He just set me off.

Originally posted by Snaza
Originally posted by TurboBoxer

GG to the Kraits, you had me very very worried about that game. I knew it was going to be a close game, whew glad we pulled it off, since the top 5 in zeta all have the same record....one loss would've dropped us out of the top seeds.




To Alpha: You guys can't say nothing about your conference being better, this proves it! Not some srimmage or preseason game, but a regular season game that matters. Don't even try using 'we tried something different' blah blah, because im sure all the teams are doing different stuff before playoffs....Our top teams beat 7/8 of yours. THe one we lost was our 7 seed against your 1 seed....the real conference in the league has been shown to all and its Zeta.


Snaza: These other guys on Zeta are to nice, fact is our top teams vs your top teams, we won them all. Zeta swooped through Alpha, and Alpha still wondering what hit them. Take the beating like a man and sit down and stay good job. Ooooo, your bottom teams are better then our bottom teams, damn you got us there.... Guarantee that will change next season.

Yeah, I wasn't going to go into details. But TurboBoxer has a bug up his ass. So it's time to shut him up.
Please no one else take offense to this. This is just for TB's big ass head.

Here it is.

#1 Bulls
...Barely beat the #3 team in Alpha.
This is either a draw, or a slight win for Alpha.
Why? This basically proves the #1 and #2 teams in Alpha should beat them.

#2 Tsunamis
...Had to go to overtime to beat our #6 Macau.
Total win for Alpha.
Why? No explanation needed.

#3 Titans
...Beat #2 Idols in a close game. If Idols were experimenting doesn't really matter.
Push, or slight win for Zeta.
Why? Close game between a 2/3 seed isn't anything to brag about. But it's not 'nothing'.

#4 Red Bulls
...Crushed #4 Mekong.
Total win for Zeta
Why? No explanation needed. Although to be honest the Red Bulls should've been the #2 seed.

#5 Razorbacks
...Gave up 17 points to our #16 seed. Tied for the most they've scored all year.
Total win for Alpha
Why? N.E.N.

#6 Gangsters
...Soundly beat our #11 seed Stucknut.
Push
Why? They SHOULD have beat them by that much.

#7 Buzzards
...Crushed by our #1 seed Firestorm
Push
Why? See Above

#8 Bucks
...Soundly beat our #12 seed Chappell
Push
Why? See Above

#9 Fisherman
...Crushed by our #9 seed Golden Hill
Total win for Alpha
Why? N.E.D.

#10 Hurricane
...lost to our #7 Seed Mandalay
Push or slight win for Zeta for a close game
Why? Even though the final score was close, the game wasn't.

#11 Hellfighters
...lost to our #10 PP Warriors
Push
Why? Even teams, barely higher seed barely won.

#12 Clouded Leopards
...Crushed by our #8 seed.
Push
Why? Should have lost by that much

#13 Tetris Gods
...beat our #15 seed Oakland.
Push or Slight win for Alpha.
Why? 2 seed advantage should've won by more than a FG. And they were losing till the 4th quarter.

#14 Dunks
...soundly beat by our #13 seed.
Win for Alpha
Why? 1 seed difference, the game should've been a lot closer.

#15 Phooeys
...soundly beat by our #5 seed.
Push
Why? Should've been beaten by that much. And they were shut out, which isn't easy.

#16 Venoms
...shouldn't even mention them, but our #14 seed beat them soundly.
Push
Why? Should've won by that much.

Now, if you count the 'Slight Win's as a 1/2, and a win as a 1.
We have ...
Alpha - 5
Zeta - 2

Hmmm... sounds like someone doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.
The next time you wanna start talking shit, please stop... Slap yourself in the face, and remind yourself that you really aren't the best person to be talking. Ever. Just PM someone else and have them make the argument for you. They'll let you know if it's a real argument or something you're just making up.

You're lucky Rick Blaine isn't here or he'd really put the hurt on you.
So please, for your conference's sake. Just shut up. Or actually take some time and put a little thought into what you're saying. Unlike your last post.

Now say it with me...
Who's my bitch?
That's right, you are Turbo. You are.

I am glad someone looked this up as I knew it had to be something like this. I just like how Jr. thinks 8-8 is a win. If you get happy over a tie it probably means you are inferior.

Also, Lost City was up 17-0 with 24 runs in the 2nd quarter. Then, we went on to run the ball just 9 times in the entire second half. Again, I don't want to make this sound like sour grapes, but we really were messing around a lot with plays on both offense and defense. We were going to be the #2 seed no matter what, so we looked at this as a scrimmage against a very strong defense and offense to try out some things. IMO, it was a nice success as a few of my hypothesis ended up holding, but to get that knowledge we ended up losing the game.

Damn, you Alpha folks don't take losing well. . .

/end attempt to further ignite idiotic inter-conference flame war.

Honestly, this crap doesn't matter. We're never going to have a perfect situation where each team plays its counterpart in the other conference when both teams care more about winning than anything else (preseason, week 16 or a potential friendly tournament don't accomplish this).

From my perspective, all I care about is that we are fortunate enough to survive the Zeta playoffs and have the chance to play the best team in Alpha four games from now. If we beat them, that would be great. If we lose to them, that would be only slightly less great. Home playoff games and promotion is really all that matters. Leave it to teams that aren't in a position to have a chance for either of those things to argue about this crap. Porch, over to you. . .

Originally posted by Arles
Also, Lost City was up 17-0 with 24 runs in the 2nd quarter. Then, we went on to run the ball just 9 times in the entire second half. Again, I don't want to make this sound like sour grapes, but we really were messing around a lot with plays on both offense and defense. We were going to be the #2 seed no matter what, so we looked at this as a scrimmage against a very strong defense and offense to try out some things. IMO, it was a nice success as a few of my hypothesis ended up holding, but to get that knowledge we ended up losing the game.

The game mattered to us for home field implications but we knew irregardless that we were playoff bound and had to figure out some things against a good team so we could handle the likes of the Tsunamis, Red Bulls, Bulls, and Gangsters. So it does sound a bit like sour grapes on your part to implicate you were the only ones working on post season strategy.

The lack of running on your part might have had more to do with you playing catch up most of the second half than anything. Yes you went up 17-0. We then scored the next 21 points and matched you pretty much score for score the rest of the way.

It was a good game against two good teams. If things work out maybe we can matchup in the championship game and do it again.

In support of Rip (though, obviously, not his last sentence), I'll post the following, which I originally posted above (and then edited to something closer to my thoughts about what matters rather than dealing with Snaza's logic above):

I'm not going to wade too much into this ridiculousness, but will just point out that either the Bulls game or the Titans game should have ended up as more of an advantage for Zeta in Snaza's post, b/c if experimenting with the AI makes the Titans upset of the Idols less meaningful, then you guys hanging close to us ought to be less meaningful for you. To be clear, I think the "experimenting" stuff is a weak excuse (and think you guys are very good), but if you're going to play that card in one game, you've got to play it in the other. In my opinion, calling the Warriors loss to us a push or slight advantage to Alpha is fair. Calling the Titans win over the Idols (who only lost once in Alpha, while the Titans lost three times in Zeta) anything but a clear win for the Titans due to the Idols "experimenting" is stacking the deck a bit. I'd guess that both the Warriors and the Bulls experimented in our game, and both the Titans and Idols experimented in their game. We'd have all been stupid not to. To say that we would have blown out the Warriors or that the Idols would have beaten the Titans had they not been experimenting is nothing but an exercise in unprovable counterfactuals, and really not worth our time.

I thought I said that it didn't matter if they were experimenting....

CHecking...

Yeah, said that doesn't matter.
I totally agree, of course we tried a few new things. You do for almost any game unless you're on a huge win streak. And even then you might. So yeah, I totally agree it doesn't mean anything. It does matter I think that they were winning till about the 4th quarter. But they were 2 fairly even teams. So unless someone got blown out it wasn't going to be a HUGE loss/win for anyone in my previous hypothesis.

And like I said, I was totally NOT trying to start anything. I just think TB has gotten on my nerves lately and it felt REALLY good to lay into him/her/it.

And I'm pretty sure you weren't saying WW experimented, or that we said we did. Like I said above it wouldn't matter regardless. You experiment and lose, you lose. You experiment and win, you win.
I think the top teams in both leagues are very even and can on any given day give the other teams a run for their money.
I just got called out. So I came out and had to spank a child's ass. That's all. (And he was last on an hour ago and logged off w/o posting)

On a lighter note.
My votes are for ALL the top seeds. That's right, I don't think any lower seed is going to win. And it's not b/c I'm playing the odds. I just really think that if the top 4's play even mostly like they can, then it's over.


EDIT - I can see where on my 1st post it can be construed that I was advocating the 'experiment = not a loss' theory. But I totally wasn't. And to be honest, I don't think Arles was either. I just think he was a little mad he lost, even though he was trying something new. You always hope it works. Even though it doesn't.

That's completely understandable (that Arles was mad he lost. . .when we lose, it's going to piss me off and I'll be throwing around all sorts of explanations for it on here). I just wanted to make sure that Rip and the Titans were given their due, as they've vastly improved over the course of the season and beat a team that, I think, we all thought that they'd probably lose to.

I also completely agree on both the experimenting point and your point about the somewhat random aspect of games between similarly constituted teams.

So, um. . .yeah. Lots of agreement. End mini-flame war (dammit, it was my first one and kind of lame. . .I'll work on it).