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Originally posted by gsu_paintballer
Originally posted by TexasBorn

Originally posted by babydoc


Since you weren't swift enough to notice, I'll spell it out more explicitly for you: the point was that having multiple accounts in the first place was against the rules. That's what "has ALWAYS been against the rules" means (I guess they don't teach reading comprehension in Texas). Merging them was GLB's amnesty program for those who came clean. If you notice, tpaterniti's FIRST post in that thread (http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=319707) states definitively that possessing multiple accounts is NOT legal and that even if you didn't realize it was illegal you could get banned. It doesn't mean that it suddenly BECAME illegal. KEEPING both accounts would just be CONTINUING to break the rules! Got it yet? By virtue of the fact that you had multiple accounts in the first place, you were in violation of the rules. Period.

I will give you credit, though, for trying to correct your transgression---once GLB pointed out it was going to be taken seriously. I admit that there were many people who were violating this rule unknowingly, and MAYBE you were one of them.

I'm not interested in your popularity---it could just as easily be argued that you bought your testimonials with excessive signing bonuses, but I certainly am not in a position to accuse you of that. Just saying those testimonials don't necessarily impress me in the face of the factual status of the team you left me with. And again, I am not so upset about the lack of players---I believe you when you say most wanted to leave. Unfortunately it has become the rule rather than the exception in GLB when teams get sold. What bothered me was how you raided the treasury.

And I gotta say: Why are you even in this Forum anyway? You're not even part of this league anymore! (And don't give me any of that "I have a right to post"---no one is saying you don't have a RIGHT to post---it's just you have no reason to be injecting yourself into this venue.) I actually was coming on to post that I was starting to get over my frustration concerning the situation but each time I do, you pipe in with your unnecessary and unwelcome commentary. You're not part of this league anymore so just go away and take your irritating presence with you!

Anyway, at this point, I think I've said all I have to say on this issue. Nothing you say is going to change my perception of the circumstances because you have no credibility with me, but who really cares? You got away with making my job a little harder on a computer game....ok. Fine. Congratulations, now just move along. Nothing you do is ever really going to affect my life and nothing I do is going to affect yours. I've made my position pretty clear at this point and all I'll (we'll) do is waste time flaming each other and either entertain or antagonize the rest of the league. I've got better things to do and so do you. I'm now done with this thread.

Ok first I had multiple account because 1 was my brothers but he got shipped out to Iraq, and I took it over. But just worry about yourself and your team.

Funny that you would try to seem like a humanitarian yourself by compromising the integrity of those overseas.

What ? I use both accounts Thorn told me to sell the legends I did end of story. You guys are taking this to far. The players contracts were up day 1, so instead of making them wait I released them any owner would. I have been overseas, Im in the Navy and my brother doesnt play the game anymore, so I took his account thats it.

Honestly, if you have a problem with taking over an existing team you only have yourself to blame. You could have specified one of the new expansion teams as your preference, but chose not to do so. No one saw anything inappropriate going on with the team, if you have a problem take it up with support instead of posting libelous accusations (from which he has every right to defend himself).

I can vouch for Texas, he would never do something like this. Hes not that kind of owner, I can gurantee you that.

Originally posted by puppy
I can vouch for Texas, he would never do something like this. Hes not that kind of owner, I can gurantee you that.

Seconded, my DE was part of that great defense they had. He PM'd me two days before season end and asked if I wanted out, I said yes, Day 41 he released me, my contract ended Day 5 of Season 4 anyway, and Texas is right, I wouldn't have re-signed for you, not that your not going to be a great owner but because I was leaving anyway to go to my team.

I thank you guys, babydoc im sorry you got stuck with the team, they should of given you a full roster of high level cpu's. I did what my players wanted, and when you are a owner and have a full roster of human players you will understand. If you need any help I will help out and Im sure this league will help out because most the owners seem like they are great guys and willing to help.

Seriously what do you expect getting a sold team?

90+% of the time when you get a sold team, you'll be getting one that needs ALOT OF WORK DONE.

When players hear that the owner is selling the team, No one wants to be there anymore.

And thats what happend with the Texas Legends. Everyone abandonded ship and asked to be released early cause you made a commitment to the old owner not the new guy that supposed to be coming in. For all anyone knows he could be a complete douche and you'd get stuck with him.

Thats what i did with our starting QB Marv Youngblood who is my own player.

TexasBorn saw what he had to do to not get into trouble for having multiple accounts, and he did it. Nothing wrong with that. He just decided to keep the better team out of the two which also is in a higher league. (Plus its not like he actually created two accounts since one was his brothers that got shipped away to Iraq)

Rebuild your team and be glad that you actually have a team

There is alot of guys out there that would love to own a team but are stuck way ass down that waiting list.

Shit i just finally got a team and my money condition is way worse than the Legends right now.

I do want to get back to the business of restructuring my team, and I hate doing this because I had decided that I wasn't going to repost, but I have to respond.

First, although it apparently is not the prevailing wisdom on GLB, you can't just let the assets of a business disappear after a sale---that's the same as raiding a team's treasury. If you had a car dealership and sold it but then left the keys in all the vehicles with the doors unlocked so anyone could drive them away, you'd be in trouble. Having said that, I've been informed that in GLB it's considered pretty standard to let players walk if you're going to sell the team. I don't see how that's ok, but if that's the way the game works, then it is what it is.

Second, my treasury looked ok to you guys probably because I paid back the loan so I could take out another one AND Support had reset some of the money. In reality, TexasBorn left me with $200,00 with nearly a $200,000 loan payment, so essentially NOTHING. I got a $294,000 adjustment from Support and took out a $1.5M loan. My balance is 1,821,941. Take out the loan and the adjustments and you see that I was left with $27,941. Not even enough to sign a Level 1 for a year.

Third, and most importantly, is that I now have discovered that you can look through the history of team transactions on the Finance page. On July 23rd, the last day of TexasBorn's ownership, there is an item for (-$425,000) for "Trade Considerations". Since he was releasing players and those releases don't cost money, they don't explain that. And if he was trading players for money, it should have been a POSITIVE number. What it shows is that he GAVE away $425,000 on the last day of his ownership in ADDITION to a player he sent somewhere. My guess is he then released whatever player he got in return. Guys, if that's not considered raiding the treasury, I don't know what is.

In any event, Support doesn't care enough to dig into the situation. I made the mistake of reporting it as soon as I saw a problem before I found out about the loan or the "Trade Considerations" and I doubt they'll make a second adjustment, so I'm SOL I guess. That's fine. I'll build the best team I can with the cards I've been dealt. But no one can convince me that TexasBorn acted responsibly towards the team.

To sjg, the truth is an ABSOLUTE defense against libel, and all the things I've said are indisputable fact---the amounts of money left, the loan, the trade considerations, are all a matter of record. I am going to make sjg, puppy, ultrajer and The Nastiest all GMs (with very limited powers) so they can check this out for themselves. Just go to the Finances tab and look at the "Team Transactions History" at the bottom of the page.

One last time, I'll do what I can to build the team back up. The loss of players was disappointing, but not wholly unexpected. It was the way the money was stolen from the team that steamed me, and it was made worse by TexasBorn claiming he was completely innocent---that he didn't touch the money. The lying about it made it become a much bigger issue to me than the dollar figure. I'm glad I finally found proof so that there can be no debate about TexasBorn's false claim of innocence.

Here is what I see, the team made $2,113,241 for making the playoffs, having 2 home games. The -$425,000 is a little fishy but in reality it is a drop in the bucket, the team would've have been negative even with that after paying the loan (not even considering that loans carry over into next season, so paying just one payment would have gotten the team to Season 4 ticket sales) and salaries till the end of the season, meaning poor management because of over extending by hiring high level guys right off the bat and paying to much in signing bonuses to get them and buying a few along the way for entirely too much money, but he wanted to dominate and for the most part we did. The team making it deep into the play-offs with 2 home games saved this team from going to you in much worse shape then it currently is in. I hate to say it, if the team had missed the play-offs entirely you'd be looking at a $2.5 million debt instead of the amount you had to start.

The above scenario is more common then you might think. I don't see enough to put TB on the blacklist. The average salary for a second year team is probably around $3.8 to $4.4 million (and for the old Texas team that might have been low), meaning you lost about 4 days of daily salary, not exactly an all out raid.

Good Luck and you can remove me from you GM list.

I agree that the damage could have been much worse with completely legitimate circumstances.
I agree that any new team can have SEVERE money problems in the beginning.

My point is that there was a claim that TexasBorn "didn't touch the money" and when I called bullshit, he essentially accused me of lying. My statements were even called "libelous" by some. We now have independent verification of a $425,000 transaction on the last day of his ownership. I feel that "libelous" is no longer a reasonable classification of my accusations. Would that $425,000 have made a difference? Well, yes since it would have allowed me to buy 2 Corners instead of just 1 EndZone, but I can't say it would have made an earth shattering difference.

But, as I've said, the money is secondary at this point. TexasBorn has implied that I am a liar for accusing him of raiding the treasury. I believe that the opposite has now been proven to be true. If they choose to, TheNastiest, puppy and sjg006 can look for themselves if they do so before tomorrow evening. GM status has been given to them as well.

Originally posted by TheNastiest

The owner isnt messing with the Money of the Legends though, so the new owner can come in and try to rebuild.




Yeah, right.

Originally posted by babydoc
I agree that the damage could have been much worse with completely legitimate circumstances.
I agree that any new team can have SEVERE money problems in the beginning.

My point is that there was a claim that TexasBorn "didn't touch the money" and when I called bullshit, he essentially accused me of lying. My statements were even called "libelous" by some. We now have independent verification of a $425,000 transaction on the last day of his ownership. I feel that "libelous" is no longer a reasonable classification of my accusations. Would that $425,000 have made a difference? Well, yes since it would have allowed me to buy 2 Corners instead of just 1 EndZone, but I can't say it would have made an earth shattering difference.

But, as I've said, the money is secondary at this point. TexasBorn has implied that I am a liar for accusing him of raiding the treasury. I believe that the opposite has now been proven to be true. If they choose to, TheNastiest, puppy and sjg006 can look for themselves if they do so before tomorrow evening. GM status has been given to them as well.

Go recruit I did, and I got a hole team like that. You can go negative right now doing trades, you can expect to see about 4 mil from season tickets maybe more since my team did so well last year. Charge about a 100 for reg and 190 for club and 10 % discount. You will see way more money than I did since I didnt have the fan support. There is your 400,000 back plus some, so quit whining. You are still new at this game, so you have know idea what your talking about and getting mad at. Your lucky you got a winning team with fan support so you can sell tickets.

Originally posted by TexasBorn
Originally posted by babydoc

I agree that the damage could have been much worse with completely legitimate circumstances.
I agree that any new team can have SEVERE money problems in the beginning.

My point is that there was a claim that TexasBorn "didn't touch the money" and when I called bullshit, he essentially accused me of lying. My statements were even called "libelous" by some. We now have independent verification of a $425,000 transaction on the last day of his ownership. I feel that "libelous" is no longer a reasonable classification of my accusations. Would that $425,000 have made a difference? Well, yes since it would have allowed me to buy 2 Corners instead of just 1 EndZone, but I can't say it would have made an earth shattering difference.

But, as I've said, the money is secondary at this point. TexasBorn has implied that I am a liar for accusing him of raiding the treasury. I believe that the opposite has now been proven to be true. If they choose to, TheNastiest, puppy and sjg006 can look for themselves if they do so before tomorrow evening. GM status has been given to them as well.

Go recruit I did, and I got a hole team like that. You can go negative right now doing trades, you can expect to see about 4 mil from season tickets maybe more since my team did so well last year. Charge about a 100 for reg and 190 for club and 10 % discount. You will see way more money than I did since I didnt have the fan support. There is your 400,000 back plus some, so quit whining. You are still new at this game, so you have know idea what your talking about and getting mad at. Your lucky you got a winning team with fan support so you can sell tickets.

I agree with this statement as a team owner. Most teams that are sold back are because they are losers and can't figure out how to run a team, so they bail and leave the next poor sap to dig out.

Hey BabyDoc how did those 2 stadiums sections get built also, thats 2 mil, new teams only start with 500,000. I wonder

So lets see I started with 500,000, no players, no stadium sections.

You start with 2 sections, with a winning team, so season ticket galore and no players.

Wow looks like you go the best deal there.

Dude, you've owned that team for 6 days now and all you can muster is a level 4 C? You've got over $5 mill, start spending already, even slow build teams can get players.