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Originally posted by Mauler
Who I am isn't really important as to what I posted. However, I no longer have an active account if that helps. I am officially done with Wise's game and maybe he should focus on his Offense if he plans on beating OPT.

Party Pooper

I prefer WL but dont think the big 3 should have 9/12 teams dominating the coveted spots. Bort could rename AAA to Pro 2 if AAA is such a bottleneck from start up to CL path. I don't personally think it will be though as minors are more farm teams waiting to transfer to flagship teams.

The thing is guys, saying all these people should have "1" team sounds good in your head, but without people having multiple teams this game is dead.

Plateau you have in s107...
4 RC teams
3 Mauler teams
3 Red/Tom teams
Like 7 Agency teams.

If for example these only had 4 teams, we would have 1 less entire league of plateau teams filled. What does this help?

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
The thing is guys, saying all these people should have "1" team sounds good in your head, but without people having multiple teams this game is dead.

Plateau you have in s107...
4 RC teams
3 Mauler teams
3 Red/Tom teams
Like 7 Agency teams.

If for example these only had 4 teams, we would have 1 less entire league of plateau teams filled. What does this help?

you will have to walk me through how it helps anyone but those 3 make coordinating adjustments and swap conferences to set their desired schedule.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
The thing is guys, saying all these people should have "1" team sounds good in your head, but without people having multiple teams this game is dead.

Plateau you have in s107...
4 RC teams
3 Mauler teams
4 Red/Tom teams
Like 7 Agency teams.

If for example these only had 4 teams, we would have 1 less entire league of plateau teams filled. What does this help?
Fixed.
Laos will have a full roster with some great builders and will hopefully promote to AAA.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
The thing is guys, saying all these people should have "1" team sounds good in your head, but without people having multiple teams this game is dead.

*feels like John Lennon for a moment*

I think we, as a community, should all do some advertising to bring more people to the game. Since the new college football game is out for consoles and pc on Monday I think, I've been sliding in comments on Youtube vids like "will it be like Goallineblitz where we can just coach if we want..." etc etc.

I bet if we all did some concious level recruiting, it'll maybe end up in a more fun MMO for all of us. Trying to get more of my family back, old friends, maybe let's all do it?

Update from Bort:

I guess it depends on if there's enough teams to fill 24 "top tier" teams? Like I'm thinking your playoff games are just going to be the teams that would be in the champion league anyway. There's also a chunk of folks who are always upset if they think they are at any form of disadvantage, even a perceived one lol. If the top teams manage to gatekeep 2 leagues intead of 1 it might be as fun. I dunno, I'm willing to change things around to get the setup you guys want, but we gotta make sure you really do want it and understand the positives and negatives.

Originally posted by Tomcic
Update from Bort:

I guess it depends on if there's enough teams to fill 24 "top tier" teams? Like I'm thinking your playoff games are just going to be the teams that would be in the champion league anyway. There's also a chunk of folks who are always upset if they think they are at any form of disadvantage, even a perceived one lol. If the top teams manage to gatekeep 2 leagues intead of 1 it might be as fun. I dunno, I'm willing to change things around to get the setup you guys want, but we gotta make sure you really do want it and understand the positives and negatives.

So there is a chance of going to 24 teams then? If so, when will this happen?

Originally posted by Tomcic
Update from Bort:

I guess it depends on if there's enough teams to fill 24 "top tier" teams? Like I'm thinking your playoff games are just going to be the teams that would be in the champion league anyway. There's also a chunk of folks who are always upset if they think they are at any form of disadvantage, even a perceived one lol. If the top teams manage to gatekeep 2 leagues intead of 1 it might be as fun. I dunno, I'm willing to change things around to get the setup you guys want, but we gotta make sure you really do want it and understand the positives and negatives.

Do a survey like Bort use to do but none of this 3 option thing just do we want what you suggested or keep it the way it is.

It is an interesting thought because does 24 open up opportunities for new teams or further set them back from winning Championships. I think in the long run teams would benefit from better competition but not sure how long our time horizon really is now.

At the same time a Pro Championship's value is diminished currently as I know multiple teams were satisfied by just winning Rd1 and punching their ticket to the CL.

Here some updates to the concept which you've seen up in a post above:
https://ibb.co/vvhmcfg
https://ibb.co/3zxpP7n

Positives:
1) Having other teams involved+agents+schemes
2) Giving teams 16 games to prove that they are worthy to compete for the CL title if there is the fear, that the CL teams will make POs regardless
3) Giving teams assurances also during minors with the process that it needs at best one great semi pro season+aaa promotion (40 days) to compete for the biggest title for new and rebooting teams. Else 80 days when placed to AA.
4) Will provide a clean promotion/demotion system from AA to Pro
5) Provide agents the motivation to keep going in order to compete for a CL title in the new format.

Current format:
-"at best" you can compete for the title after 80 days Pro time, and only in AAA if you win two playoff games + 1 Pro playoff game. - - "at worst" 120 days if you are placed in AA after having an unfortunate SemiPro season.

Scenario:
- You will always have the ones that complain that one conference is easier than the other one at the highest level.

Positives:
1) that sparked the forum interaction in s104
2) kept all parties involved while creating rivalries.
3) keep conference static and rotate them from season to season https://ibb.co/vvhmcfg
- conference games: the static conference plays minimum of 10 games (home and away).
- non-conference games: Pro league assignment will be switched for each static conferences from season to season (concept similar to NFL division play)
4) Having it 4 static conferences will have other matchups and sims + Lessons learned out of matchups which can be used during re-tooling or re-booting teams.

Originally posted by Mauler
So there is a chance of going to 24 teams then? If so, when will this happen?



He mentioned today he could implement it asap if that is what the people want.

Originally posted by Bluesman
Do a survey like Bort use to do but none of this 3 option thing just do we want what you suggested or keep it the way it is.

Yes

Originally posted by RyanCane26
It is an interesting thought because does 24 open up opportunities for new teams or further set them back from winning Championships. I think in the long run teams would benefit from better competition but not sure how long our time horizon really is now.

At the same time a Pro Championship's value is diminished currently as I know multiple teams were satisfied by just winning Rd1 and punching their ticket to the CL.

Yes, who knows how much time there is left. But then having people possibly restarting and being able to compete for a CL title after 200 days min (160 minors, 1 AAA season) is a nice thing. My hope is always that old agents/groups possibly return and see that the path towards the highest level is even faster now then before.

I also agree here, it was for us as well "Just win one Pro playoff game, the rest is a bonus" in the past which is what Pro league should not be about. But then I see examples like High Plain Mustangs, which now had unfortunate luck in the POs two seasons in a row and even get punished despite playing heck of regular seasons.

I agree with all of the above though I think static conferences is no Bueno. Rivalries will inevitably happen over a few seasons with teams being randomized within Pro.

I know many think a 24-tm one league is better but I think the two x 12tm pro leagues is better as Tomcic stated since it gives 3 levels of "achievement", one CL gold, two pro gold, two pro silver.

But I agree it's clearly better two have the top tier be 2 x 12 team leagues. I feel like no one here disagrees. Honestly in the steady state, if you can compete in Pro, you should be able to hold your own in the new Pro.

With that said, it's also important this doesn't become a reason for top teambuilder networks to have "more" teams. If for example RC decided to now make 8 pro/cl teams for more chances, that would hurt the upside here.

Originally posted by Tomcic
I also agree here, it was for us as well "Just win one Pro playoff game, the rest is a bonus" in the past which is what Pro league should not be about. But then I see examples like High Plain Mustangs, which now had unfortunate luck in the POs two seasons in a row and even get punished despite playing heck of regular seasons.

Happened to Empire last season exactly the same. This season finished 5th in a very strong conference and an 8-8 team promoted from the other (won our cross conference matchup 72-21 btw). Don't think is good for CL to have teams that finish 1-15 or 0-16.

What we honestly need is a poll to the 16 WL/Pro owners with options (a) keep current system or (b) new system Tomcic proposes. Then be done with it.

Bort could do an official poll but it's gonna have so many multi votes and casual votes that idk if it really will capture what people want.

I of course can't hold more votes since both Mauler and Tomcic accused me of lolvoting fraud last time.