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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Kicking is still expensive as shit and it’s a lie that it would “allow for more superstars”. Some people are just going to make it their mission to try and do so bc they are who they are.

Btw most users can’t organically put together that much stars at one time consistently in the first place, so prodigy is a great counter. Still comes with a hefty raise, so some of this isn’t real logic, just a single user’s complaint.

Why do people use 3 FS’ and no SS btw? Can anyone enlighten me as to why?

Hypocrisy is an ugly look

Also FS do not have a out of position penalty when playing SS, this was giving to us directly from bort and corndog. They cost the exact same amount on your salary cap as well so makes no difference using FS or SS when it comes to salary cap and what not.

Originally posted by ellix
1) It really would, not even hard to dispute?

2) Free Safeties pay much less than SS for Pass Defense and Speed which are considered much more important than SS' savings they make in tackling skills and run blocking.



So you’re saying you are actively using an exploit to your benefit correct? Because you know safeties are interchangeable and you won’t suffer from not having a SS on the roster correct?

Originally posted by TyDavis315
So you’re saying you are actively using an exploit to your benefit correct? Because you know safeties are interchangeable and you won’t suffer from not having a SS on the roster correct?


I'm not sure how you take a mechanic that Bort quite literally built into the game and pretend it's an exploit, while trying to use that as a foil for someone explicitly going around the intentions of the game. But I get the feeling that you don't really care about facts and just want to be self righteous...

Originally posted by ellix

And for someone who is so vitriolic towards the perceived power users, you'd figure you'd want to keep from handing us yet another "unfair" advantage that you think we already have.

Forced kickoffs is the worst thing ever, I’m pro user freedom before I care about bigger users. I just think it’s interesting that the game continues to take a certain direction, and that there’s a group of gatekeepers who tend to be very resistant to change - all while exploring as much exploits as they can an benefitting from it.

Don’t have a problem with you all (especially since you’re all practically funding the game equity free), but it’s annoying to hear how “oh we’ll exploit it” like you all don’t already wake up wondering how you can do so.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Forced kickoffs is the worst thing ever, I’m pro user freedom before I care about bigger users. I just think it’s interesting that the game continues to take a certain direction, and that there’s a group of gatekeepers who tend to be very resistant to change - all while exploring as much exploits as they can an benefitting from it.

Don’t have a problem with you all (especially since you’re all practically funding the game equity free), but it’s annoying to hear how “oh we’ll exploit it” like you all don’t already wake up wondering how you can do so.

You know, maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to hear opinions from other people about how they feel about people funding 18-22 S* teams - which is exactly what you can do with this exploit.

You seem to love the idea of giving us more Supers.

Originally posted by dredgar
lmao no, in fact I just beat him before the great glb fail in playoffs twice and once in a championship game. I am giving you a clear example for understanding.

So if you can beat him I don’t understand where this idea that they’d be unbeatable with a kickoff specialist.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.

The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.

a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.

b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.

The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.

c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?

and are you saying my explanation was hypocrisy?

I was using ellix as an example since you were pointing a finger at him. I have been around since Season 2, I have continued to be a top coach all this time, while using a balanced offense and defense the entire time. I use real football logic and knowledge on my main teams. I have 10 stars now, I use to do this with lots of agents and not myself when the game had 150 users, or whatever we had when we had a lot, but now I run my own team, I ahve had guys give me their accounts as they quit playing. I found a way to keep playing the game that I love.

Yes some people find exploits and use them to win, well thats a game. Every single game has that. Madden is major in that, 2k basketball games always have some every year, fighting games, war games, they all have little thigns that dont make sense but users find to use to win. It is the part of not playing board games we all know will always be there. The developers can fix one thing and another will be found. That is part that will always happen.

This is why you dont see me blowing up and screaming every time something dumb happens, I will point it out to bort and hope he looks. If not fuck it, I will find a way to win and keep being the best.


Lastly, you say people are hoarding knowledge and how to win?

that has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard. Here is a list why:
1. Ellix made the academy channel to help teach people.
2. Detriot Leos made a team just to teach people back in the day.
3 Rob. made the first forum post about how to use the defensive system we have for Everyone to know how to use it.
4. Kvo made multiple youtube videos, that bort tagged on the front page of the game, showing everyone how he goes about dominating rookies.
5. I have never had a problem with messaging someone and asking how they did something I found impressive that I couldnt do, everyone has always been willing to share with me.
6. I have always shared.
7. Anyone I have ever asked shared. (copy of 5).
8. Agerm made a team about streaming games and sharing info.
9. Our forums now people help, people post pissed at something, all the agents come in and ask questions about builds and tactics and give examples how to solve the problem. It is up to the agent at that point to shut the fuck up and learn and listen.

Thanks for joining my ted talk guys....love you all

Originally posted by ellix

I'm not sure how you take a mechanic that Bort quite literally built into the game and pretend it's an exploit, while trying to use that as a foil for someone explicitly going around the intentions of the game. But I get the feeling that you don't really care about facts and just want to be self righteous...

If Bort established a mandatory minimum on SS’ would you be okay with that?

Originally posted by TyDavis315
So if you can beat him I don’t understand where this idea that they’d be unbeatable with a kickoff specialist.

I was using him as an example, this is true for any super team. Kickers are the cheapest cost dot on a roster, this is a fact. If I can sign more and sign them to a low contract, I can make him do what i want and I can fit another super star somewhere on my team at the same time. that is very clear on why it is bad for the game. It is then allowing us to make cheaper bad dots so we can make more supers. I don't want that as part of the game. It was removed by BORT, the maker of the game, for a reason already once. If the maker of the game saw it as a problem, makes sense.

If we make kickoff specialists then teams that make return guys become worthless and that takes away from part of the games excitement.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
If Bort established a mandatory minimum on SS’ would you be okay with that?

Yes of course?

The hypocrisy I’m referring to is everyone saying “I will, I will, I will” when it comes to certain topics, but if everyone was doing it we wouldn’t have diversity in the first place. It’s a baseless argument, but everyone seems to be trying to act like it’s law.

If people want to exploit something, they will. Point blank period. 2 kickers is not changing any landscape that has already been established, the people who struggle will still struggle and the people who don’t, won’t.

Never said anyone was hoarding knowledge, I said you're turning newbies into muppets in return of the promise of “success”. I’ve worked with some “power users” and the rigidness and ass tightedness is definitely there. It’s more about build plans than fun, and if you all really cared about playing the game for what it is everyone wouldn’t have been freaking out over their forums/build plans…

Originally posted by ellix
Yes of course?

But because there is not and no one is complaining, you will continue to go with just free safeties correct?

I would love it if every position required atleast 1 player in that position.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
But because there is not and no one is complaining, you will continue to go with just free safeties correct?

Sure. And if we want to discuss moving to stop that, that's more than fine by me.

Now let's get back on topic. I don't want teams of 20 Supers. No one else seems to either.

Despite whatever you tend to believe, the majority of us love choices and choosing what to star is part of that choice. In fact, the reason people love stars so much in the first place is that they do exactly that, open up build options to explore more ideas.

If you haven't considered that the end game of this exploit is 22 Stars on a roster, a Punter, and 13 kickers - than maybe you don't understand the repercussions of what you're trying to argue for.

Originally posted by dredgar
lmao no, in fact I just beat him before the great glb fail in playoffs twice and once in a championship game. I am giving you a clear example for understanding.

Luck, TBH.