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Originally posted by Adderfist
It has some uses. Most cases it's not worth it though.

just all-over stat cost increase is insanely bad... I can't think of a niche that can't be recreated with other build aspects that would make the build better.

When designing players for Rhode Island Falcons we toyed with one build that used Slow Built for a position 4 WR I want to say who would almost never get targets. Still didn't do it. But we thought about doing it.

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean, you can't keep saying you're planning for the long game while complaining about losing the short game. If your team and players are theoretically built to be good at Veteran but weaker leading up to it, you shouldn't be overly surprised about losing before you hit Veteran.

As for why the long game isn't actually that great long term either, is because you can't realistically hit all of those caps. Having very high skill caps means nothing if you can't actually get to them with your limited amount of SP. Many positions need you to spread points around in multiple skills, and having those points be cheaper with lower caps is fine because it's impractical to hit those higher caps anyway. Slow Starter is best on players that have a few skills they want to take as high as possible, and Slow Starter is the only way to do it. Linemen, though, want a lot of points in a lot of different skills, and the higher SP cost doesn't help that.


that actually makes sense.. the 2nd part.. my rookie team i was building up for the long game.. but i have 2 teams.. the big losses are on my journeyman team.. again offense is flawed.

i tend to view this game like actual football where some rookies are better than others.. and some people are better at some skills than they are at other skills. if that makes any sense.. it would make a game more difficult if it were that way. im not used to making players that only excel at 1 or 2 things.. that is my problem though not the game's

The issue you're going to face with your Journeyman team and why a lot of people will refer back to your Rookie team are one and the same. Build problems just get worse and worse as you go up the Tiers. At Rookie a poorly made players has, maybe, 10k SP less than a well built one. That's sizable. By Vet this can balloon to 25k, 35k, 50k SP differentials. And this isn't accounting for things like SA choices which are critical to some positions.

Do your safeties have Closing Speed, for example? Many would consider it mandatory at the position. And on and on.

Or that some Skills are widely considered worthless. Ahoy, Strip Technique. Hello there, Return Awareness.

The lessons you learn in Rookie creates the foundation for you going forwards.

If you want to continue to try and improve your team at Journeyman I would take Dlcurt up on his offer. Your builds may be stuck as they are but good play calling can help alleviate the issue somewhat.

Just be prepared though, by Vet a poorly built team will be heavily exposed and in all likelihood, as no insult to you, it will get crushed.

I would recommend deep diving into Rookie and start over again. Forget what you think you know so far. Contact myself, contact Adderfist, contact Dlcurt or Xars, or Leo's, people are here and willing to help you.

But things take time. I came back to the game this year after a 7 year hiatus. And really, I can't remember playing it for a few more before then.

6 months later and after the time and energy of a lot of other agents I am finally trying to make a go of it again for real.

And you don't have my prior time investment to act as a slingshot to catch you back up. Things take time, focus on learning first and winning second.

Originally posted by ellix
You seem more interested in arguing than learning. There is already a ton of information in this very thread to help you improve your teams. If you're convinced that you already know what we're talking about in here than I'm not sure you can be helped. Again, feel free to contact myself or Adderfist and we will help you, but you need to be willing to listen.

you are mistaken.. i brought up the problem and you started immediately with the insults. i addressed it.. and you kept on insulting. you are the one arguing and not me.. you asked questions and made accusations and i answered them with how things really are.. if i knew the answers i wouldnt have started this topic to begin with..

everyone else has offered the same advice you have without insults or thinking i was arguing.. you are the only one that is doing that. me pointing out that you are doing it.. is not an argument.

i need more than just "you have no clue on what you are talking about" especially when im just answering a question

the rest of you.. thank you for the answers and the help. it helps me kind of understand things a bit better

Originally posted by ellix
The issue you're going to face with your Journeyman team and why a lot of people will refer back to your Rookie team are one and the same. Build problems just get worse and worse as you go up the Tiers. At Rookie a poorly made players has, maybe, 10k SP less than a well built one. That's sizable. By Vet this can balloon to 25k, 35k, 50k SP differentials. And this isn't accounting for things like SA choices which are critical to some positions.

Do your safeties have Closing Speed, for example? Many would consider it mandatory at the position. And on and on.

The lessons you learn in Rookie creates the foundation for you going forwards.

If you want to continue to try and improve your team at Journeyman I would take Dlcurt up on his offer. Your builds may be stuck as they are but good play calling can help alleviate the issue somewhat.

Just be prepared though, by Vet a poorly built team will be heavily exposed and in all likelihood, as no insult to you, it will get crushed.

I would recommend deep diving into Rookie and start over again. Forget what you think you know so far. Contact myself, contact Adderfist, contact Dlcurt or Xars, or Leo's, people are here and willing to help you.

But things take time. I came back to the game this year after a 7 year hiatus. And really, I can't remember playing it for a few more before then.

6 months later and after the time and energy of a lot of other agents I am finally trying to make a go of it again for real.

And you don't have my prior time investment to act as a slingshot to catch you back up. Things take time, focus on learning first and winning second.

thank you.. that was the first thing you said to me that made sense and wasnt making me look like a complete moron

Telling you that you don't know things, when you state incorrect things as factual isn't insulting as far as I am aware. I have offered you a great deal of advice in this thread. If you think I have demeaned you, then look past it and look at the meat of what I am trying to convey. There is no malice here.

Ok…I’m a real life coach that plays this game and love it.

That being said, I still find myself sucking at it a lot. But have my moments as well.

First thing I will tell you is don’t get hung up on the comparison to real life football. It will drive you nuts if you do. There was a long time that I approached this game like I would gameplan a real life game and some stuff just doesn’t work the exact same.

One thing you have to do in your playbook is be focused with some diversity. You aren’t coaching the game in real time so you have to throw some stuff in that allows the sim to counter what’s not working some. Even then it doesn’t always work.

Network…network…network

I’ve been back at this for about 20-ish seasons since I returned and I’m still learning but people here help me learn something new all the time. I learned a lot about builds from guys like Raid early. Then people like agerm, dcarbo, atlbruce, dlcurt, myrik, and others I’m forgetting taught me a lot about playbooks and tactics. Then I’ve linked up with guys like mkeane and kvo who are relatively new but sharing ideas has helped the learning curve. Now I am jumping in with the Rhode Island guys and I can’t tell you how much I’m learning from them everyday. I can’t even get a word in half the time because I am so busy taking in what they are saying and doing.

It’s frustrating but you gotta just stick with it and you will get better. Hell I even took a rag tag group of undrafted non planned builds to a championship game before their run to get was over and it was so enjoyable I’ve kept the team there and took in others random builds and put it together.

Wait you guys are playing football???

I'm just over here using teams as a way to test the mechanics lol

Ie. this play is bad because x. How do I make that functional

Originally posted by ThePh33P
Wait you guys are playing football???

I'm just over here using teams as a way to test the mechanics lol

Ie. this play is bad because x. How do I make that functional

Pheep is an inspiration. If you have a bad idea, approach him with it because he's probably already done it.

Im not the most insane coach but I went 28-2 last season so now I have a big head.

It sounds like you're trying to recreate the wheel my guy. You jumped right in to own a team an now you're trying to figure everything out on your own. I mean sure it's possible to just figure things out on your own (PH33P and Kvothke come to mind) but it would be a lot easier to just jump on a decent team and see how they do things. And I do mean a lot easier. The vast majority of my offensive coaching knowledge comes from the time I spent on "John Gruden's Nightmare" with Agerm, Bruce, DallasCowboy and jhiggseiu14. Literally all my defensive knowledge for my current team comes from just idlily observing things as Gliwice Lions defensive coordinator. My current defensive scheme is just a cheap imitation of the Blood Sweat and Beers Hybrid defense. A team I also closely observe as the Assistant OC.

My S* DT builds was designed by Raid (whether he knows it or not lol). The rest of my D-line was designed by AltBruce. My CB, LB, and Safety builds were directly stolen from BSB (Sorry Leos). My HB build was given to me by Ghanima but even then he got it from PH33P. My QB (Ozymandias "made in china") is quite literally just the Chinese knockoff of Gliwice Lions QB (Ozymandias king of kings). The only builds I actually sat down and designed on my team are the WRs and TEs.

I only have 3 players I made for my current team, 2 of which are free. Everyone else came from all the agents I had networked with the season before. I don't use GLB scout either, I just sit down and scout teams with a pen and paper. You really don't need to spend boatloads of money to be successful in the game. You just need to have a general idea of how to plan, put together, and run a team. That's hard to do unless you've been a part of the process before hand. I recommend you join teams, see what makes them successful, and try and recreate that with your own teams via putting your own twist on it. I also recommend you network with other agents in the future as opposed to creating all the players yourself.

It's really easy to shut out CPU teams if you know how to do it. Make two outside blitzing LBs and spam blitzes. Make CIT TEs and spam them on offense. You'll win. Hell, you'll beat most people if you do that. I mean just look at our last game playing a CPU a tier above us https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/806551
These are things you'd learn fairly quick if you had people to teach you.

Originally posted by Gadz
yes.. this is on my rookie team. my returner does just.. returns.. so return specialist is for him.. thats all he does. the QB has late bloomer so when he progresses he will have higher stats. the lineman are all backups so later they can switch when they become good.

i do call a lot of play action cause im playing a lot off the run.. i was told quick very short, short up to medium passes are the best. and of course i pass on 3rd and 13+ what else am i suppose to do?

i did mention how im not worried about my offense as much as im worried about defensive schemes (my offense has a lot of flaws).. that i know what is coming i plan for it.. but it doesnt matter.. nothing i do stops it. yet everyone against me can do whatever they want.. they might as well just tell my defense exactly what they are doing.. then my defense just goes out for ice cream. dont try to make me look like a lying a-hole im doing all the advice people are telling me.. and im looking at some of their builds as well.. those are just backup lineman to test out a few things. the QB is different and kind of a trial as well. and NO ONE TOLD ME TO TAKE EARLY BLOOMER NOR DID I SEE IT ON ANY LINEMEN. and i seriously doubt the difference between early bloomer and slow built is 70+ points... these are two different teams im talking about.. this is all based on the schemes


Dude, not trying to be a dick but everything you just said is wrong. EVERYTHING. I don't know who is giving you this "advice" but I would seek advice elsewhere.

- never take return specialist...and never have a player whose only job is to return kicks. That is a waste of cap space
- slow built is terrible for most players... The QB won't have higher stats when he progresses because he will run out of SPs
- 3rd and 13+...run up the middle or outside...you will get sacked 99% of the time if you try to pass
- those roll out play action passes are sack city....only PA if the QB stays in the pocket

Originally posted by ellix
Telling you that you don't know things, when you state incorrect things as factual isn't insulting as far as I am aware. I have offered you a great deal of advice in this thread. If you think I have demeaned you, then look past it and look at the meat of what I am trying to convey. There is no malice here.

i answered the comments and criticisms (constructive as they were) with the explanation as in why.. didnt say you were wrong, didnt say that it was the best it was going to get.. didnt say i was going to keep it that way.. just said why.. you were asking me if i even know what my team did.. i was giving you part of that answer to that question. the return specialist doesnt do anything buy returns.. i had no idea no one else used a RB for that and i thought it was good as he won the award for special teams (granted it could be due to the fact that he got 20+ kick off returns in a game lol). being told i dont know what im talking about when im answering a question or giving my reasoning is insulting.. then telling me im more interested in arguing when you are the one that initiated it all is insulting.. then when people tell me to discuss and debate this stuff and then getting told im arguing and dont know what im talking about.. that is insulting.. it doesnt make me want to seek help it just makes me want to stop playing and move on to another game on more even ground..

Originally posted by Kvothe27
Nobody said it would be easy, man. I've only been playing for a few seasons as well but have found a decent degree of success. The things I did:

Read through all of the past forum posts - there is a ton of valuable information in there, can't stress this enough. Read the patch notes as well.

Study the teams that win, especially at vet. Note their playcalls and use their SAs to figure out their builds.

Learn the meta. Understand what plays are "spammed" and in what situations (such as man OLB blitzes in rookie, like 4-4 ZEB). This will allow you to either use these plays or be prepared for them when others spam them. Develop a playbook and have answers for the most commonly "abused" plays. If you can't find something that works, don't be afraid to copy the teams that are better than you. My first season my offense failed miserably the first few games, so I remade it and literally just copied OSIRIS's playcalls until I learned how to make my own. Some plays just flat out work better than others, and the more you study the more you'll start to see the patterns as to why.

Try stuff you think will work, watch it fail, figure out why you failed, and think up something better until you get it right. Figuring out why you failed is the #1 most important skill in this game.

Most of all, lower your expectations. You're not going to be able to just cruise to wins even as a seasoned player, and definitely not against top teams. Every game is literally a dogfight. Stop underestimating how good everyone else here is and start accepting that if you want to compete with the best then there is literally a mountain of work to do. Put your head down, study, soak, theorize, test, debate, and keep at it. Wins are nice, but the true value of this game is self improvement.

Every new agent should be greeted with this post.

Originally posted by 4chanCitizen
My CB, LB, and Safety builds were directly stolen from BSB (Sorry Leos).

Haha. No worries. I have shared my build stuff with many people for a long time. Anything to help others get off of the ground.