Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
Yeah, that's not what 4-2-5 is.

4-2-5 is 4 linemen, 2 linebackers, and 5 defensive backs. That's literally what the numbers mean. A variant with 2SS is a 4-2-5, but it's still just a variant. In practice though, the extra player is usually called a nickelback, and barring adding an actual nickelback position, CB3 essentially just serves the same role.

As a coach in real life who specializes in the 4-2-5 on defense. The nickel and the 4-2-5 are very different. 4-2-5 is designed to handle both run and pass situations using 2 hybrid type players at 2 SS type positions. The nickel is designed more for pass with a nickel back that is more of a corner type.

instead of adding a new formation would enabling cb3 to be a fs/ss without penalty suffice?

Originally posted by rabidlizard24
As a coach in real life who specializes in the 4-2-5 on defense. The nickel and the 4-2-5 are very different. 4-2-5 is designed to handle both run and pass situations using 2 hybrid type players at 2 SS type positions. The nickel is designed more for pass with a nickel back that is more of a corner type.

Still a variation of "NICKEL" But yes if they just did the cb slot as a cb/fs/ss it should handle anyones complaints. The difference is, safeties are better than corners in this game and you will get an overwhelming amount of double S* Safeties in this game.

Safeties are also massively cheaper than corners, so anyone who knows to use safeties instead (i.e., vets and not newer players) will have a pretty big advantage.

Originally posted by Kvothe27
Safeties are also massively cheaper than corners, so anyone who knows to use safeties instead (i.e., vets and not newer players) will have a pretty big advantage.

This is a no brainer for me, every team I'm on would run 3 safeties. It's basically a lb at safety price that can also get high cb skills

Originally posted by ThePh33P
instead of adding a new formation would enabling cb3 to be a fs/ss without penalty suffice?

This was my point.

Originally posted by ThePh33P
instead of adding a new formation would enabling cb3 to be a fs/ss without penalty suffice?

That would be better than it is currently

Originally posted by vipermaw82
This is a no brainer for me, every team I'm on would run 3 safeties. It's basically a lb at safety price that can also get high cb skills

Like you said, you can actually run this in a 4-4 now and put a SS at the 2 OLB positions.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Like you said, you can actually run this in a 4-4 now and put a SS at the 2 OLB positions.

the problem is SS and FS take a penalty at LB and cant use any abilities

I'm in favor of allowing a CB to sub at strong safety without penalty- it would open up some interesting build options for a hybrid CB. Since CBs are more expensive than SS and are limited in their tackling ability, hybrid CBs would be unlikely to take over the position.

That's why they penalize subbing SS at OLB - the SS is much cheaper, and people would game the game.

Not sure if FS gets penalized at SS, but if so I would be in favor of changing that, too.

Could Elusive backs get a passive that improves Elusive Running like Powerback have Grinder. I know plenty of people are gonna mention Mr. Reliable but that's for carrying and balance and doesn't boost elusive running directly but more indirectly. I don't think there are any skills that add Elusive Running. Also I would like to see like a Hurdle SA for HBs maybe based on footwork and jumping and be able to jump over a defender or something just to spice up the builds and replays.. I'll prolly get downvoted to all hell but meh..

Originally posted by Sprooch
Could Elusive backs get a passive that improves Elusive Running like Powerback have Grinder. I know plenty of people are gonna mention Mr. Reliable but that's for carrying and balance and doesn't boost elusive running directly but more indirectly. I don't think there are any skills that add Elusive Running. Also I would like to see like a Hurdle SA for HBs maybe based on footwork and jumping and be able to jump over a defender or something just to spice up the builds and replays.. I'll prolly get downvoted to all hell but meh..

Right now Elusive backs are emerging as unstoppable as they are right now. To the point they should probably find an SA for the defense that doesnt stun the defender every time they get near the back even with 85+ pursuit and awareness.

If anything the Juke SA by itself needs tweaked to lower ball grip by a good amount.

Originally posted by ThePh33P
the problem is SS and FS take a penalty at LB and cant use any abilities

Oh....wow. That sucks. Yeah, they need to let you sub a SS at nickel or make a new formation. But I understand how people will take advantage. Maybe make SS more expensive?

Pretty sure - Pick Six and Celebration aren't firing or at least aren't showing as firing.