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Originally posted by vipermaw82
Fix Juke. I get it might have been perceived as overpowered before, but as is it's currently trash... it needs the nerf dialed back a little bit.

I see it work pretty well, it only fails if he does it off the snap.


It works, but not well..

The juke is so small the defender just stays in place and still gets the tackles, it has no effect currently.

This is a typical juke now:

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/749748/1571190
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/756075/1315688
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/755598/1197093

most of my dots broke tackles come off of high elusiveness like on this play:

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/749748/1571156

That's with 90+ elusive and gold Juke.
 
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
It works, but not well..

The juke is so small the defender just stays in place and still gets the tackles, it has no effect currently.

That does happen, but doesnt that just mean the defender passed his pursuit check?
 
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar

Dude, I won't use a cpu dot with a template or not, my man made guys are better, period (and specialized to my style of play)(I can't tell you the last time I used a cpu dot anyway). This does not benefit me in the slightest, I was only suggesting in interest of helping other (mostly newer) players as that we've seen their builds and even cpu dots will be better... level the playing field just a little if you will. If thats the case lets just open up every users builds for the world to see to help them all get "better" Heck let us copy directly off a playbook from another owner too, lets allow everyone to have access to everyones playbooks with everyones builds and then you'll just complain about how its crap they can just copy all your hard work. Stop pretending like this is the end of the world.

The issue is whereas you're right it would be for newer users, the vets are just going going to take advantage. Its with online gaming in general people abuse the system to win, they dont use it for its intent. You're kinda acting out by flipping out about the reasons why it won't work. People will do anything to win which ruins the experience for the newer guys so you cant for a second believe it would be used the appropriate ways. If the cpu dots don't pertain to you then why get so mad and butt hurt? CD is telling you how it will effect the game as a whole and you're making it about you.

If you all think this is just a way to stop players from rolling dots and spending flex, then just make the templates extremely basic... it would be better than the random bs we have now. If you think its because veteran players can win with the cpu dots, then stop making them be fully boosted and leave that ability to human controlled players only. So now you want to go back to the cpu is complete trash and its even more painful to watch as they get steam rolled by 200 pts a game? You're seriously going from one end of thinking to F it lets flip to the other side of the spectrum, thats not a solution either. This is a business, no human players means no GLB2. So once again your thoughts are not meant for the greater overall game they are just being refocused to your narrative. This is a business for them, they want it to succeed as a whole. "It would be better than the bs now?" So you think by them giving extremely basic cpu templates thats going to automatically make the game different. Apart from SA how do you even know how "random" the builds even are if you don't use cpu dots anyway? I'm completely confused by your rant, maybe you're just not getting your opinion across in a rational way because it looks like blubbering tbh.

There's multiple solutions here other than to not do anything and accuse us of trying help ourselves somehow. I think I more than often ask for things that benefit everyone as that I want this game to survive and thrive, considering its one of my hobbies. The fact you have to state you more than often ask for things that benefit everyone is a kinda a blanket statement. There are plenty of things that you suggest that I don't agree with, so that statement doesnt work. I think everyone has put through some ideas, but generally if its an idea that a user comes up with there is always some personal agenda (no matter how small behind it).

In your rant you actually show things that irritate you but maybe not others. I'm not even a dev here, but this post is going to annoy them more than anything. When you annoy them enough your words mean nothing and they just keep on scrolling even though you are a big agent on the game.

This is just an outside opinion about how your approaching it and commenting on other opinions. I've seen guys like Jay already run with his cpu guys super competitive through at least 3 seasons so the CPU players can be decent enough if someone wants to approach that. Osiris kills it on rookie with his CPU guys.

Overall, keep up the great work CD, game has come a long ass way since it started. You guys have done a great job filtering through the suggestions and implementing them while trying to keep balance in the game. END OF RANT




First, I used bold to emphasize some words to imply inflection, not create a wall of text that is blinding to look at, let alone makes it hard to see what's my response vs a quote.

My "rant" was because CD makes a despicable implication that I'm only being self serving and you agree in your white knight defense here. Let me explain this to you... I don't use cpu dots, this does not help me at all. We can disagree with the effect such a change would have, but it's hardly self serving on my part nor am I "flipping out" as you put it. I can call him out and take my part because it was a horseshit response he gave that your defending. I am in no way upset about his opinion, just what he implied towards my intentions. I want to debate the idea, not get into lowbrow bs. I generally ask for things I think will benefit the game as a whole and sometimes not everyone agrees with my idea but that doesn't mean my intentions still aren't' genuine.

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Your late on the playbook copying, Viper, it's been a thing on GLBScout for a lonnnnnng time now. Stobie put that feature in I think years ago at this point. Same with templates, they get shared on here via the Scout Tool... hell, I give out mine to anyone who joins my team knowing they will take them elsewhere. I help lots of guys on defense play calling or team ideas, I just don't feel the need to come on here and toot my horn about it.

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Yes, some guys have success running cpu dot only teams like Osiris' legendary run in Rookie and Jay some as well. But have you seen anyone do so in Vet yet? I've not... nor do I want to, either. But closed build cpu with points randomly distributed across 30+ skills... surely we can do better. This is not new to bring up changes, CD even suggested using old HoF templates at one point himself.

Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Dec 3, 2020 13:51:11
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Dec 3, 2020 13:50:35
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Dec 3, 2020 13:50:13
 
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Originally posted by vipermaw82
Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar



That does happen, but doesnt that just mean the defender passed his pursuit check?


You'd think that, and I certainly gave it thought, but it happens consistently to the point that I don't think Juke works properly anymore...and I say that while having 90+ Elusiveness & Gold Juke. I don't see Juke breaking all that many tackles per se. Detroit and some others agree with me and think that Power HB's are the way of the future unless this get's fixed.
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Dec 3, 2020 13:59:43
 
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I thought the change to juke was supposed to help it fire when needed and the lesser movement was intended to allow the HB to make the juke then do more damage. At least that is the way I read it in the change log. Juke is certainly dead now. It is just like spin where the defender just goes to where the HB is juking to. When juke cut further over, it created enough space that the defender's adjustment going to where the HB would be, still allowed the HB to defeat one vs. one encounters when it fired properly and did not take the HB out of bounds.

Juke is essentially worthless right now.
 
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We did fix juke, that's why it works like it does now.
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
We did fix juke, that's why it works like it does now.


I could be mistaken, but I do not believe the changes to juke did as they were intended to. I watch HBs with juke and the juke really only seems beneficial maybe 5-10% of the time if even that. Majority of the time juke fires, it has zero benefit for the HB it seems. It is no better than spin now sadly (which would be great if it also worked).
 
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
I could be mistaken, but I do not believe the changes to juke did as they were intended to. I watch HBs with juke and the juke really only seems beneficial maybe 5-10% of the time if even that. Majority of the time juke fires, it has zero benefit for the HB it seems. It is no better than spin now sadly (which would be great if it also worked).


The impact of Juke was lowered because people were complaining about it sometimes running into defenders.
 
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
First, I used bold to emphasize some words to imply inflection, not create a wall of text that is blinding to look at, let alone makes it hard to see what's my response vs a quote.

My "rant" was because CD makes a despicable implication that I'm only being self serving and you agree in your white knight defense here. Let me explain this to you... I don't use cpu dots, this does not help me at all. We can disagree with the effect such a change would have, but it's hardly self serving on my part nor am I "flipping out" as you put it. I can call him out and take my part because it was a horseshit response he gave that your defending. I am in no way upset about his opinion, just what he implied towards my intentions. I want to debate the idea, not get into lowbrow bs. I generally ask for things I think will benefit the game as a whole and sometimes not everyone agrees with my idea but that doesn't mean my intentions still aren't' genuine.

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Your late on the playbook copying, Viper, it's been a thing on GLBScout for a lonnnnnng time now. Stobie put that feature in I think years ago at this point. Same with templates, they get shared on here via the Scout Tool... hell, I give out mine to anyone who joins my team knowing they will take them elsewhere. I help lots of guys on defense play calling or team ideas, I just don't feel the need to come on here and toot my horn about it.

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Yes, some guys have success running cpu dot only teams like Osiris' legendary run in Rookie and Jay some as well. But have you seen anyone do so in Vet yet? I've not... nor do I want to, either. But closed build cpu with points randomly distributed across 30+ skills... surely we can do better. This is not new to bring up changes, CD even suggested using old HoF templates at one point himself.



I use bold because it’s easier to reply that way versus all the scrolling
 
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
You'd think that, and I certainly gave it thought, but it happens consistently to the point that I don't think Juke works properly anymore...and I say that while having 90+ Elusiveness & Gold Juke. I don't see Juke breaking all that many tackles per se. Detroit and some others agree with me and think that Power HB's are the way of the future unless this get's fixed.


For the most part I think this wouldn’t look nearly as bad if they toned down power backs a bit more. Neither should really be able to make it impossible for the defense to stop especially with group tackling. It’s very rare to see power backs in real life dragging defenders an entire game. Maybe an adjustment to conditioning on getting hit would fix this but who knows
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
The impact of Juke was lowered because people were complaining about it sometimes running into defenders.


Ah... Ok. The problem now is that pursuing defenders do not get "juked" at all. While the HB may run in to other defenders a bit less with less of a side to side movement, it is not relevant because they cannot even shake the one vs. one interaction with the defender that they are trying to juke. It has no benefit to elusive backs yet remains the only viable elusive SA.

Please help juke and spin SAs out.
 
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LOL @ Myrik_Justiciar whining about Juke: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/757521/1656141
 
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Originally posted by atlbruce
LOL @ Myrik_Justiciar whining about Juke: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/757521/1656141


I got nothing lol
 
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Originally posted by atlbruce
LOL @ Myrik_Justiciar whining about Juke: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/757521/1656141


That is one successful juke and rarely happens. For every good juke, there are seemingly 10 or more that are worthless.
 
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
That is one successful juke and rarely happens. For every good juke, there are seemingly 10 or more that are worthless.


I like it when players juke out of bounds
 
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