Warrior General Games

I like this idea, sounds good

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
What’s a basic version of the game? I don’t think you guys get it. Copper is the tier for new guys and inexperienced teams. They only have to play other new and inexperienced teams. It worked perfect in GLB1. Copper Is only for guys learning to coach and they only play others learning to coach. Once they start learning and get better they automatically move up to silver, once again leaving only new and inexperienced teams in Copper. The only time a Copper team would play a Silver or Gold team would be in the tournament.

You have to earn your way to Silver by making the playoffs. They replace the bottom teams and/or CPUs in Silver. It may take some teams a while to gather the experience to get to Silver. They won’t be getting shanked by elite teams and can play in competitive games.

In GLB1 to get to Gold you had to play in a Silver championship game to get promoted, those teams would replace the bottom dwelling Gold teams. Keeping Gold extremely competitive.

I just don’t see how some separate learners tier would do anything to help anyone. It splits the user base for absolutely no reason. Copper IS the separate learners tier.

For me I played two seasons of Copper while I sponged up as mush information as I could and we started getting better and made the playoffs, getting promoted to Silver. I spent a while in Silver before finally winning a championship and getting promoted to Gold. It’s a natural progression.

Copper is the separate learners tier.

I really think this can be implemented with the current code and just adjusting some things.

If you just had Rookie and Vet as the tiers,
Rookie wouldn't have to be current Rookie, you could make it equivalent to Seasoned let's say
But instead of Copper/Silver/Gold you just make the Leagues the filter

Illustration example:

You have 72 Vet teams. That's 6 Leagues. The Leagues are the hierarchy. All new teams start at the 6th/bottom league. Make the playoffs and you move up a League for the next season. In the bottom 4, you drop a League.

This way your team moves up and down the Leagues over time. Newbies can, and have to eventually, field a competitive team in order to move up. Sure they'll lose a lot of Ladder games but they can initially be competitive on a League basis.

The team number has dropped 60% since the early few seasons, but we only dropped 16% (1 of the original 6) of the tiers. Hence each Tier is really weak.

Drop the tiers to 2, down from the original 6 and you'll have a 67% reduction in tiers which is equivalent to the reduction in teams.

All MMO type games have to face this eventually.

Are Vet players harder to work with or something? I think they are easier and much more fun. Why punish the inexperienced teams? If they are always playing others at their level then what does it matter? Probably have to get rid of the ladder for something else. The system has been done before so it’s not new or unproven.

Always one Gold league. Probably 2 silver and the rest copper.

Wouldn't everyone need to start in bronze to implement that system?

Originally posted by Lemoncow
Wouldn't everyone need to start in bronze to implement that system?

I think that there would be two options:

Option 1: Controlled Expansion
Start with only bronze/whatever you want to call them leagues (let's say 4, depending on the number of teams signed up), promote the top 6 teams from each league into 2 silver leagues (24 total teams) for season 2.

In season 3, the top 6 teams from each silver league promote to a single gold league (12 total teams) and close one of the silver leagues. The bottom 2-3 teams from the silver league will drop down to bronze while the top 2-3 teams from bronze will promote to the single silver league.

By season 4 the system would be stabilized - we would have 1 gold league, 1 silver league, and 2-3 bronze leagues.



Here's a very rough graphical representation:

Season 1
Bronze 1 ----- Bronze 2 ----- Bronze 3 ----- Bronze 4
\(top 4)-------|(top 4) --------|(top 4)------/(top 4)

----------Silver 1 ----- Silver 2-----------

Season 2
Bronze 1 ----- Bronze 2 ----- Bronze 3 ------
\(top 3)-------|(top 3)-------/(top 3)

----------Silver 1 ----------------------|--------------------- Silver 2-----------------------
(bottom 3 relegate to bronze)-------------(bottom 3 relegate to bronze, close league or keep open and change all of my math)
(top 6 promote) \ --------------------------------------- / (top 6 promote)

------------ Gold ----------------


Season 3+

Bronze 1 ----- Bronze 2 ----- Bronze 3 ------
\(top 2)-------|(top 2)-------/(top 2)

----------Silver 1 -------------
(bottom 3 relegate to bronze)
(top 3 promote to Gold)

------------- Gold -----------------
(bottom 3 relegate to silver)



You could do two silver leagues if you want, you'd just have to alter the numbers a little. My math might be slightly off and you might have to squint because it's not pretty but you get the idea.

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Option 2: Assign teams to leagues based on some criteria
Assign teams to gold/silver/bronze leagues based either on a first-come, first-served team purchase system or based on seniority of the user purchasing the team and then allow the leagues to naturally sort themselves out over the first 3-4 seasons.

Just realized that OSIRIS mentioned having 2 silver leagues, not 1. I think 2 silvers would be better than 1 but I'm not gonna go back and try to edit that monstrosity of a diagram - you could pretty easily change the math around to make that work.

The thing is this system is not new and the kinks were already worked out.

Really the main thing to figure out would be if we need the ladder or do tournaments instead so you get some value with number of games per season. The classic ladder wouldn’t really make sense. It would go back to elite teams shanking noobs and noobs bailing. Tournaments you might get crushed once but not every three days. You could also try to group some of the copper teams so a few have a chance to advance.

Originally posted by Lemoncow
Wouldn't everyone need to start in bronze to implement that system?

Copper would be the lowest tier. For the first season I would sort teams by what they have done in the past. Teams like Kentucky and Golden State would obviously start in Gild. Where as teams named Thrashers or Dragons would start in Copper.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Copper would be the lowest tier. For the first season I would sort teams by what they have done in the past. Teams like Kentucky and Golden State would obviously start in Gild. Where as teams named Thrashers or Dragons would start in Copper.

Yeah, that works. Simpler than that diagram with everyone starting in copper.

Originally posted by Lemoncow
Wouldn't everyone need to start in bronze to implement that system?

Just use Ladder rankings.

Starting everyone in bronze would be much more exciting. Wipe all the teams, start fresh.

If things are really going to get shaken up, I'd also be in favor of lowering the salary cap by ~6 million.

Originally posted by Lemoncow
Starting everyone in bronze would be much more exciting. Wipe all the teams, start fresh.

What is bronze? Gold, Silver, Copper. Pretty sure people don’t want go give up their teams they’ve had for 40 seasons.

Bronze, copper, whatever.

Keep your teams. That's fine, but everyone should start in the lowest tier.

Starting a system like this with teams in gold completely undermines the system.