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Originally posted by USC_Trojans
Honestly i think passing teams just constrict their playbook too much, making them predictable. Southsides qb is having a career year http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/111769

When your best season consisted of 57 TDs and a 58% completion rate it's pretty easy to have a career year.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
Honestly i think passing teams just constrict their playbook too much, making them predictable. Southsides qb is having a career year http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/111769

Not being a dick, but I disagree.

My team runs the same passes for seasons now. I get scrimmed a lot because I run my real playbook. And with my mix of plays there isn't some magic D that shuts me down. Builds, yes. Plays, I don't think so.

Usually, if my O is shut down it's because the other teams O beats my D and my O plays get limited.

I'll post up a bunch of stats I just went through with regards to my Passing O.

I went through the last 2+ seasons of Passing stats for the LogZilla Boys. All stats are from GLB2Scout.

Completion%: S8 = 58.7% - S9 = 59.1% - S10 = 57.2%
Drop%: S8 = 7.12% - S9 = 6.69% - S10 = 5.92%
On-Target%: 67.4% - 66.7% - 63.6% (Formula= (Completions+Drops)/(Pass Plays called minus Sacks))
Offense Efficiency%: 87.59% - 84.82% - 82.69% (Formula = (First Downs Gained+TDs)/First Down Plays run)
INT%: .85% - .61% - .75% (Base=Pass Plays called minus Sacks)
KL%: 3.1% - 2.48% - 5.06% (Base = Caught Passes rather than Attempted Passes)
Deflection%: 6.26% - 7.03% - 9.81% (Base=Pass Plays called minus Sacks)
Unable to Secure%: 17.85% - 19.11% - 17.83% (Base=Pass Plays called minus Sacks)
Overall Pass D% (in-the-Air): 26.84% - 28.25% - 31.31% (Formula= (INT+KLs+Deflection+UtS)/(Pass Plays called minus Sacks))
Sack%: 2.61% - 1.47% - 0.89%
Fumble% on Pass Plays: 1.16% - 0.81% - 0.90% (Base = Completions+Sacks)
D Pressure%: 14.53% - 11.75% - 9.35% (Formula = (Sacks+Hurries)/Pass Plays called)

Observations:
Since all my builds are open and have been, I don’t mind detailing where I’ve been spending SPs.

In S10, Belgarath (S* QB) has been pumping Pocket Awareness to power On the Run. OtR is only Bronze at the moment, but I needed PA at a respectful number for when it’s Gold. In S8 and S9, I was pumping Pass Power and using my Caps.

From watching the games and look at the above stats, I think it’s possible that what Galithor has been saying about the Passing Arc of thrown balls is true. Belgarath’s deflection % has gone UP over the last 2+ seasons as I moved up Pass Power from the 30s to his current 69. This 3.55% increase is happening with practically the same playbook and with WRs/TEs who have been pumping Quickness and Sprinting to get more open (could be why Unable to Secure is down 1.4% since last season – dunno). I haven’t looked at the multi-season progression of low Pass Power QBs to compare this and GLB2 did increase the Deflection radius on CBs, so it’s quite possible that all QBs have seen a decent deflection % increase and I’m seeing less due to Pass Power, but I think it’s something that us (the community) and Bort/Cdog should look into to verify. My On-Target drop of 3.1% is almost entirely due to Deflection and KLs up (offset be UtS down a little).

What’s interesting about all this to me is that my overall Pressure (9.35%) is down a lot from 2 seasons ago (14.53%). In my initial reply to TxSteve, I surmised that the Tiger plays were causing Passing issues. From the data, that inference seems clearly wrong.
Of note, the OL blocking nerfs were/are being phased in over this time. However, on the LZ Boys OLine I took the hit right away. I respecced my OLine and have slowly rebuilt their skill values using the new SP costs. This may be why I faced more Pressure in S8 than I do now in S10. I hope.

Originally posted by Xars


From watching the games and look at the above stats, I think it’s possible that what Galithor has been saying about the Passing Arc of thrown balls is true. Belgarath’s deflection % has gone UP over the last 2+ seasons as I moved up Pass Power from the 30s to his current 69. This 3.55% increase is happening with practically the same playbook and with WRs/TEs who have been pumping Quickness and Sprinting to get more open (could be why Unable to Secure is down 1.4% since last season – dunno).


I can't speak for others...but on my CB's - deflection was one of the last thing I spent points on...so in the final seasons (but mostly pro) - my deflect went from 40-90 or something. Can't ignore that possibility...that as people capped man aware / coverage / etc -- deflection starts getting a lot of the points -- leading to more deflections that could have nothing to do with your pass power.

Tiger play is good situationally...but WOW does it leave some wide open receivers at times..

Originally posted by TxSteve
I can't speak for others...but on my CB's - deflection was one of the last thing I spent points on...so in the final seasons (but mostly pro) - my deflect went from 40-90 or something. Can't ignore that possibility...that as people capped man aware / coverage / etc -- deflection starts getting a lot of the points -- leading to more deflections that could have nothing to do with your pass power.

Yup very good point.. And that's why Vet Passing QB stats from S8, S9, S10 should be looked at because the builds are fixed at that point.

Though with Gal changing up the playbook at Air Raid this season, we won't get apples-to-apples data from him and Saul only has last season and this season at Vet (I think - am I correct?).

Originally posted by Parab00n
When your best season consisted of 57 TDs and a 58% completion rate it's pretty easy to have a career year.

he only throws it 1300 times a season...they are fairly balanced

Originally posted by Parab00n
When your best season consisted of 57 TDs and a 58% completion rate it's pretty easy to have a career year.

that moment when you realize its a balanced team

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
that moment when you realize its a balanced team

58% completion rate, nothing to do with being balanced. Claims to have a broad playbook, runs the same passing plays as everyone else...

Originally posted by Parab00n
58% completion rate, nothing to do with being balanced. Claims to have a broad playbook, runs the same passing plays as everyone else...

considering your s* qb and robs are sitting at 60% (oh no you complete 2 more passes per 100 attempts gasp) on an all passing team whos built to pass all the time I'll gladly take 58% especially since hes the best qb in his tier on the number 1 team in his tier. For a guy whos qb isnt even a top 5 in vet you really seem to think you know qbs well.

I only watched 2 games and my scout isn't working for some reason, but I can't see how the playbook is more broad than most people who are passing right now outside of Xars and Galithor who limit themselves to essentially 3 WR for the most part. Am I missing something or do you mean because you are balanced and run as well?

Originally posted by bhall43
I only watched 2 games and my scout isn't working for some reason, but I can't see how the playbook is more broad than most people who are passing right now outside of Xars and Galithor who limit themselves to essentially 3 WR for the most part. Am I missing something or do you mean because you are balanced and run as well?

mostly the balanced part. nothing unique about the playbook just the unpredictability of the team being able to both pass and run keeps teams from cheating on defense.

Come on boys, lets not pretend throwing 58% and throwing 62%+ is the same thing. It's really not. The sample size of pass attempts gets pretty large.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
mostly the balanced part. nothing unique about the playbook just the unpredictability of the team being able to both pass and run keeps teams from cheating on defense.

Ah I see. Thought you meant variability of pass plays and I was like really there is only so deep a guy can go. Though I think there is enough combination of plays to make people vary their defense a bit and hope things swing their way.

Originally posted by bhall43
Ah I see. Thought you meant variability of pass plays and I was like really there is only so deep a guy can go. Though I think there is enough combination of plays to make people vary their defense a bit and hope things swing their way.

i agree, the issue is that people are afraid to experiment. I bet there are unused plays that are really good. The issue for me is getting enough of a sample size to use the ones I test.