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Originally posted by . Ninja
Stobie, should the minuses and pluses be switched around for the ladder movement or is that the way you wanted it?

I was thinking in the mindset of movement negative means value gets less, where positive value is more. Either way doesn't bother me.

Originally posted by TxSteve
What does the new K Value do at the top? (increased 50%)
Only one way to find out.

Preseason Ladder Rankings at Vet:
1 The Minnesota Stunners
2 Harrisonburg Bulldogs
3 Air Raid
4 MMArmy Jesus Christ Superstars
5 Queen City Brewmasters
6 Djibouti Assassins
7 Rhode Island Falcons
8 Run GLB
9 Run Defenders
10 Gatling Valley Pirates
11 Doinitin Djibouti 2.0
12 Jersey Goons
13 Hillfield Dinos
14 New Jersey Generals
15 Oregon Ducks
16 Minnesota Balanced Raid
17 Fort Collins Stoners
18 Grass Valley Tunnel Trolls
19 Richmond Raiders
20 Doinitin Djibouti
21 Wesley Chapel Warriors
22 Alliance Cobras
23 Galactic Heroes
24 OffTopica Faith
25 Long Island Knights
26 Whoville Whos
27 Defiant Angry Rebels
28 Capua Gladiators
29 Albuquerque Hippos
30 Battle Creek Mayhem
31 Tampa Sandmen
32 San Diego Dragon Thunder
34 Houston Gamblers
35 TT's Constellation Superstars
36 Chicago Marauders
37 Independence Day Warriors
38 Cleveland Barons
39 South Aussie Thunder

I know stobie is doing it too on his tracker - but just to be safe and have it here too. Ladder after 2 games (though possible some league games registered already...


Rank
1 -The Minnesota Stunners
2 -Harrisonburg Bulldogs
3 -Air Raid
4 -MMArmy Jesus Christ Superstars
5 -Queen City Brewmasters
6 -Djibouti Assassins
7 -Rhode Island Falcons
8 -Run GLB
9 -Run Defenders
10 -Gatling Valley Pirates
11 -Doinitin Djibouti 2.0
12 -Jersey Goons
13 -Hillfield Dinos
14 -Minnesota Balanced Raid
15 -Oregon Ducks
16 -New Jersey Generals
17 -Fort Collins Stoners
18 -Richmond Raiders
19 -Doinitin Djibouti
20 -Grass Valley Tunnel Trolls
21 -Wesley Chapel Warriors
22 -Galactic Heroes
23 -Alliance Cobras
24 -Long Island Knights
25 -OffTopica Faith
26 -Whoville Whos
27 -Capua Gladiators
28 -Battle Creek Mayhem
29 -Defiant Angry Rebels
30 -Tampa Sandmen
31 -Albuquerque Hippos
32 -Nashville Sounders
33 -Houston Gamblers
34 -San Diego Dragon Thunder
35 -TT's Constellation Superstars
36 -Chicago Marauders
37 -Independence Day Warriors
38 -Cleveland Barons
39 -South Aussie Thunder
40 -Mighty Morphin Power Rangers

This is imperfect - as some vets have already played 5 games...and others are only at 4.. But here is where we sit at 8:30am on 3/31

#1 Stunners - 4-0 / unchanged
#2 Bulldogs - 4-0 / unchanged
#3 Air Raid - 1-4 / unchanged (have lost to current #19 / #2 / #17 / #33 and beat #15)
#4 MMA - 3-1 unchanged (loss to #1)
#5 QC - 5-0 unchanged
#6 DA - 4-0 unchanged
#7 Run GLB 3-1 have moved up 1 spot (lost to #1)
#8 Rhode Island 2-2 have dropped 1 spot
#9 Run Defenders 2-2 unchanged
#10 Gatling 2-2 unchanged
#11 DD 2.0 0-4 unchanged
#12 Jersey 0-4 unchanged
#13 Dinos 0-4 unchanged
#14 Ducks 2-2 moved up 1 spot
#15 Minnesota Balanced Raid 3-1 moved up 1 spot
#16 Ft Collins 2-2 moved up 1 spot
#17 Richmond 4-1 moved up 2 spots
#18 NJ Generals 0-4 moved down 4 spots
#19 DD 3-2 moved up 1 spot
#20 Grass Valley 0-4 moved down 2 spots


Corndog - did you save the K changes so they went live?

Originally posted by TxSteve

#20 Grass Valley 0-4 moved down 2 spots


Corndog - did you save the K changes so they went live?

I had the same thought this morning after Air Raid didn't drop since 3 of their losses are from teams ranked 17 or lower.

Tough without seeing the points.

We can assume gaps in a lot of places due to team retires, but the stuff at the top is all guessing. Like know one knows how big the Stunners gap. I'd assume it's pretty large based on being there before and knowing how that #1 spot tends to function.

I said it before and I'll say it again. 50% more of a very small number is still a very small number.

Its still 50%

Originally posted by peeti
Its still 50%

and new jersey fell 10 spots last season losing every game on their schedule? So maybe they'd have fallen 15 spots this season.

Originally posted by Galithor
and new jersey fell 10 spots last season losing every game on their schedule? So maybe they'd have fallen 15 spots this season.

good, logical and depressing point.

Working as intended?

Originally posted by Galithor
and new jersey fell 10 spots last season losing every game on their schedule? So maybe they'd have fallen 15 spots this season.

That's not how adjusting the k-value 50% works.

I have to wonder how much strength of win really plays into things. RIF's 5 wins come against teams ranked beyond 140. My 7 come against teams ranked in the top 40.

Originally posted by bhall43
I have to wonder how much strength of win really plays into things. RIF's 5 wins come against teams ranked beyond 140. My 7 come against teams ranked in the top 40.

Whatever was done, it didn't do much, if anything.

Ground Assault started the season ranked 30th. We're 1/3rd of the way through a season now, 8-2 record, still ranked 30th.

Originally posted by Galithor
Whatever was done, it didn't do much, if anything.

Ground Assault started the season ranked 30th. We're 1/3rd of the way through a season now, 8-2 record, still ranked 30th.

Minnesota Balanced Raid is 5 ranks higher
TT's Constellation Superstars is 9 ranks higher
New Jersey Generals is 7 ranks lower
San Diego Dragon Thunder is 10 ranks lower

There's movement. Ground Assault's not going to move very much when they're playing Professional teams (beating teams who you are expected to beat doesn't give you much ELO). And your ladder wins are against the current #37, #46, and #24. That's only 1 win where it was 'unexpected'.

Plus, you've got to deal with the gap in ELO between Professional and Vet anyways AND some bigger movers in front of you who are getting more larger ELO-winning opportunities. Specifically looking at #29 TT's Constellation Superstars, #28 Battle Creek Mayhem, #26 Capua Gladiators, #25 Whoville Whos and #24 Long Island Knights. Those are the teams you are trying to move up against. The reality is that with all you winning, you're all gaining in ELO together. You'll pass yello's team but there isn't all that much room for you to go until some of the mid-tiers get caught up on. Even worse is they are playing higher ranked teams and winning. So likely you're actually LOSING ground.

That being said, I like the tweak that was made to the k-value and would like to see more adjustments to the ELO game (specifically another k-value change and being able to see the ELO-value on the ladder rank page).

Originally posted by bhall43
I have to wonder how much strength of win really plays into things. RIF's 5 wins come against teams ranked beyond 140. My 7 come against teams ranked in the top 40.

RIF is definitely running on 'old' ELO. Teams retiring out helped them, creating the gaps in ELO that has made the top 10 so stagnant. With ELO, RIF will get hurt most by losing to teams far below their rank (what otherwise are highly expected wins for RIF). RIF losing to MMA, Djibouti Assassins, Stunners, etc. doesn't hurt them. Simultaneously, beating teams they are far expected to beat doesn't net them much ELO. Beating those CPU league teams is going to be pretty worthless.

For us to lose RIF they need to play more of the Whoville and even Galatic Heroes type teams (and lose) while the teams underneath them catch up in ELO. My guess is you're right on their tail but a team like Minnesota Balanced Raid or the Oregon Ducks have no luck to catch them. Have to remember how many teams folded to really understand where someone's actual ELO value might fall.