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Originally posted by Sov88
all of our LBs have 75ish tackle tech and 70ish tackle grip, 50-60 in many other key tackling stats and we gave up 30 missed tackles. even our DTs and DEs are very close to those numbers and even our weakest run support secondary guys are still rocking around 60ish tackle tech and 45ish grip. so no, those numbers he stated initially really arent overkill. just like you need 90 cov tech 90 man awa etc etc to stop a team like DC, apparently without those kinda crazy run stop stats you cant stop a team like the stunners. in my opinion, you have to build to one side of the spectrum or the other because its impossible to be in the middle and compete vs both types of those teams

can't forget the 96 pancakes which crush morale.

Let's break it down though:

LB Steve Lattimer:
1st game: 6 missed tackles / 3 tackles
2nd game: 1 missed / 2 tackle
3rd game: 5 missed tackles / 0 tackles

He missed 29 tackles this season so far - with 12 of those against us - and 17 against others.

He has "75ish tackle tech and 70ish tackle grip, 50-60 in many other key tackling stats"?

19 of your 35 in this most recent game were secondary players missing tackles -- obviously hard to have high tackling on them

Originally posted by Kayoh

it's entirely possible to build a defense that's good against the run and pass if you plan it out. Poor planning isn't a recipe for success, I learned that the hard way with Compton

Our defense is pretty solid. Our safeties have some inefficiencies due to hitting lower maxes early, but overall the team is capable of stopping run or pass. The problem is Minnesota is a step above everyone because it's fully premade and built to punish over time. So even if you have a really great run defense, due to offense having leadership buffs, overtime the mis tackles and broken tackles begin adding up, and you start giving up 80 yard runs. The earlier quarters, before the wear and tear take affect, power through procs were really the way the HB's made things happen. But later in the game, it just becomes a joke.

That is something you need your defense to build to deal with. As a transfer team at level 20, it's not a reality for any way to compensate. If GLB2 gave players 1-full respec, for times like this, it would give the agents a chance to actually balance the build out to be just good enough to beat pass teams to make playoffs, and then ultimately be tough enough vs a glass cannon run build, where everything is thrown at running 100% of the time.

Originally posted by Sov88
just like you need 90 cov tech 90 man awa etc etc to stop a team like DCs
this is nowhere near true.

Originally posted by Kayoh

this is nowhere near true.

it was an over-estimate but i would think anything below 85s in those areas is not going to cover a guy like northern lights, etc. i would think we have one of the best pass defenses (our game vs CCM is a good example) and that is how we model our secondary so i would say it is very much so near true

Originally posted by Sov88
it was an over-estimate but i would think anything below 85s in those areas is not going to cover a guy like northern lights, etc. i would think we have one of the best pass defenses (our game vs CCM is a good example) and that is how we model our secondary so i would say it is very much so near true
Compton's CBs are at 75 tech/awr and held DC to one of their lowest point totals of the season. Footwork is far more important than those two.

Originally posted by Kayoh

this is nowhere near true.

Hardly. The only way to contain pure pass offenses is to stick on the receivers so the QB sees them as 'covered' and holds on to the ball. If your DB's coverage tech and man awareness isn't better or at least equal to their route tech and elusiveness, you've lost the game. They will get open and a superstar QB will get them the ball.

There isn't really a way to stop WRs like Northern Lights and Edgar Allen no matter what your coverage skills are at. The best way to stop heavy passing teams with very good WRs is to get the QB to throw passes under pressure and hope that you don't have a bunch of Prime Times fire against you. The only problem with that is that you need your DEs to lean towards pass rushing a bit more, which ends up hurting you against those really good run only teams like Minnesota.

I feel like it's the same way with some of the top RBs

I was kidding around. Look what i started.

Look we all know the Stunners cheated. It's fine. If you guys can look at that trophy with honor and no shame then all power to ya.

How much did you pay corndog!? What's his price? I'll double it!

Originally posted by Kayoh

Compton's CBs are at 75 tech/awr and held DC to one of their lowest point totals of the season. Footwork is far more important than those two.

A lot of that had to do with the d-line getting constant pressure all game. Not as much to do with the DBs shutting down the WRs and TEs


Even my CB on Air Raid is just barely under 50% rec. allowed....and he is 90+ cov tech, 85 deflection along with over 80 footwork and 70+ quickness

yeah and the etc etc in my post was fw, quickness, def, etc. my point is its impossible to hit those kinda numbers to compete with all the high level passing teams and have the kinda numbers youd need to also stop a pure rushing team. even with having a dedicated CB/FS/SS/etc toward run stopping, still would need to sub in your starters plenty to keep up with the high intim you are dealing with on a run heavy team. my point is its just impossible for a d in this current tier to compete with both a team like DC and minnesota. however, i am hopeful by the end of next season we would have a much, much better shot but it will not be easy with the way some of the caps are set

Originally posted by Sov88
yeah and the etc etc in my post was fw, quickness, def, etc. my point is its impossible to hit those kinda numbers to compete with all the high level passing teams and have the kinda numbers youd need to also stop a pure rushing team. even with having a dedicated CB/FS/SS/etc toward run stopping, still would need to sub in your starters plenty to keep up with the high intim you are dealing with on a run heavy team. my point is its just impossible for a d in this current tier to compete with both a team like DC and minnesota. however, i am hopeful by the end of next season we would have a much, much better shot but it will not be easy with the way some of the caps are set
I suppose then that Air Raid, Hawaii and Salty just don't exist?

i said at this TIER, those are all vet teams. also, even with stunners being a tier lower they beat salty runback, put up a close game vs hawaii, and i would be willing to bet they could beat air raid as well. so idk what your point is broski and maybe read posts thoroughly before your lil quips

Don't be talking bout Latts.... PLACE AT THE TABLE

Originally posted by Irishwhiskey119
I was kidding around. Look what i started.

Look we all know the Stunners cheated. It's fine. If you guys can look at that trophy with honor and no shame then all power to ya.

How much did you pay corndog!? What's his price? I'll double it!

We offered to pay corndog, but he said smashing the fuck out of MMA was payment enough.

No Corndog is an MMA man. He just doesn't know it yet.