Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Rob.
Discussion and complaining are two different things. I'm sure Aeir appreciates feedback and healthy discussion regarding statistics. I have posted multiple times that I appreciate the work he does. Let him speak for himself.

I don't have any issues with people bringing up issues or different ways to do these, that's how we improve. There's many ways to skin a cat, as they say.

I actually liked Rob's suggestion, and since it's all formula based all I need to do is figure out how I get it to do what it is I need it to do. Which actually won't be as bad as he made it sound . I'll just need to mess around with some of the data a bit to get the numbers to where they seem logical. I'm a numbers guy, I'll figure it out NP.

Mine right now is not that complicated, but so long as all I have to do is plug in numbers like run yards gained, pass yards allowed, etc.., I'm fine with it. his suggestion actually fixes an issue I was having with teams that don't pass (like mine) taking a small hit, because they have 0 pass yards, and thus ranked poorly in that category.

Rookie to Sophomore is a different kind of animal, since I know of at least a half dozen teams that have completely flipped their strategy. Generally going from all run to all pass. To me that makes their rank, if they had one, useless. (lolStobie) Also some builds work in Rookie, that don't work in sophomore and beyond. I take into account ladder rank from the previous season, but it's weight is minimal and as the season goes on it becomes less and less a factor. The main thing it does is get teams into the top 25 earlier in this season, getting them harder opponents in ladder matches.

And yes, early statistics will always be skewed slightly based on luck of the draw. I had thought about waiting until after game 7 to post these, but I know people like seeing stats so I didn't.

I do it because I like to, I don't care if people complain. I'm not easily offended anyways...if someone doesn't like it, don't read it - simple as that.

Originally posted by SunDevil03
Just to clarify my own post, totally not a complaint on my part. I think this is awesome and huge props to Aeir for taking the time to do this.

The "sad face" may have made my post seem whiny, but it wasn't intended that way. Arizona State will just have to keep winning to get some respect from the media. (Like we always have to do... haha)

Pre-S7 you guys were in the low 30's, you hit 25 before the last few games worth of stats came in so I do have your stats, but since you guys ended outside the top 25 (in the GLB rankings) I didn't add you to the list. I have you guys on my radar, no worries

Originally posted by Rob.
I think everyone needs to take a chill pill and stop being so sensitive. We are having healthy discussion.

Why are you making assumptions?? Again no on said names least of which yours.

Lets not bicker and argue over who killed who.

dammit, i put a smiley on my post. Clearly was just kidding with people

Originally posted by SunDevil03
Yes, we used to be Olaf.

I originally named it Olaf's Warm Hugs (from the Disney movie Frozen) because I'm an elementary school teacher and wanted to be able to play the games live when I had a chance at work (when I'm playing against a team with appropriate names anyways, haha). The kids would get SUPER pumped watching dot ball when they know that the team is named after Frozen, haha.


Does this mean I have to rename my team to Milwaukee Adult Beverages?

I appreciate your work, especially now that I know you do it manually. Props man.

Originally posted by Aeir
Does this mean I have to rename my team to Milwaukee Adult Beverages?

If you wouldn't mind...

lol, j/k.

I check everyone's rosters / team name before I show a game to the kids. Last one they got to watch was actually Olaf vs Carl Spackler's team the Philadelphia Firefighters. If I can't show it I just don't.

It was a close match and some of the kids were literally getting anxiety as the game came to an end, haha.

Originally posted by Galithor
dammit, i put a smiley on my post. Clearly was just kidding with people

Its the internet. Its all how someone wants to read the words.

I'm actually laughing and just having a good time. Its a day off in glb and did my piss poor scouting for ladder.

This also works as a good GG spot for ladder matches, so I don't mind posting it for that as well.

Like I said I enjoy them. Kept waiting for Sarasota Swordfish to get on there last season before the .... umm .... conversion to Poopzilla that got renewed for Sophomore....


I say do Rookie as well!! Lol

Originally posted by Aeir
If you call -50.5 yards rushing a balanced attack... rofl

Either way, their other 2 opponents were on-par with CPU teams, so the Hoplites stats are going to be a bit inflated until they have time to play more dominant teams in ladder games. Which is why I said, give it until game 6-7 before really criticizing the numbers.

And they Play LogZilla next, so don't assume they'll be giving up any run yardage then either lol.

I do not disagree with the "bit inflated" comment, but in defense of Boston... they do have a decent run game. Their QB and RB had good years running last season, and when a team runs 37 times to 5 passes this qualifies them as a running team.

In either case thank you for all the hard work

Originally posted by Galithor
dammit, i put a smiley on my post. Clearly was just kidding with people

I added smileys to all my posts.

Edit: smiley

Originally posted by Aeir

I actually liked Rob's suggestion, and since it's all formula based all I need to do is figure out how I get it to do what it is I need it to do. Which actually won't be as bad as he made it sound . I'll just need to mess around with some of the data a bit to get the numbers to where they seem logical. I'm a numbers guy, I'll figure it out NP.


I was just thinking about things because I am also a numbers guy. I love stats. I also know that you aren't using a script, so anything you do requires a lot of work. I'm not asking you to do any more work than you are already doing. Anything you do is a bonus and I appreciate it. With that being said, I think if there was an easy way to assess each team's performance based on how good their opponent performed compared to their normal production, that might be a good tool for evaluating the best teams. Like last season, Galactic Empire ended up with the #1 rush defense. He was running zone, which is pretty good against the run, but was he the best or did he just not face as many good rushing teams? Just something to think about.

Originally posted by Aeir

Rookie to Sophomore is a different kind of animal, since I know of at least a half dozen teams that have completely flipped their strategy. Generally going from all run to all pass. To me that makes their rank, if they had one, useless. (lolStobie) Also some builds work in Rookie, that don't work in sophomore and beyond. I take into account ladder rank from the previous season, but it's weight is minimal and as the season goes on it becomes less and less a factor. The main thing it does is get teams into the top 25 earlier in this season, getting them harder opponents in ladder matches.

And yes, early statistics will always be skewed slightly based on luck of the draw. I had thought about waiting until after game 7 to post these, but I know people like seeing stats so I didn't.


I also agree that the change in tier can make things tricky. In this case I do think it's good to just reset the stats and compile them season to season. The power rankings will eventually shake out the way they should as we play each other more. Maybe a little more weight should be placed on wins and ladder rank though. Logzilla is legit and they are consistently ranked pretty low.

Originally posted by Rob.
I was just thinking about things because I am also a numbers guy. I love stats. I also know that you aren't using a script, so anything you do requires a lot of work. I'm not asking you to do any more work than you are already doing. Anything you do is a bonus and I appreciate it. With that being said, I think if there was an easy way to assess each team's performance based on how good their opponent performed compared to their normal production, that might be a good tool for evaluating the best teams. Like last season, Galactic Empire ended up with the #1 rush defense. He was running zone, which is pretty good against the run, but was he the best or did he just not face as many good rushing teams? Just something to think about.



Yeah I'd love to do that, but in order to get that in depth, I'd have to keep detailed stats of every team in the league. (for the times people play CPU's and terrible teams). I'm working on some formulas that help weigh teams better by there strength/weaknesses, but I have a feeling it's going to double the tabs on my spreadsheets if I do it the way I really want

Or until I learn some scripting...whichever is first. (which I'm actually trying to learn atm too )

Edit: Or I could just stick to Ladder games... that might be a way as well.