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Originally posted by Xavori
I don't think he's heard of Sunday Funday and their 600+ yards passing per game, nor the 571 yards passing they put up on the best team in the game...

He's bound to meet og this season soon in ladder.

Originally posted by Parab00n
If there is good defenses to stop the pass I'll sit down and take notes. I would put my CBs up against anyones in the game right now and they played fairly good vs SF, but when it's easier to complete a 25+ yard pass than it is a 5 yard pass any team that can at least hit 50% passing rarely can be stopped. That game I said they played well in...they gave up over 500 yards.

Honestly:
1. Most of the CB's are built improperly , close but not good enough to keep you from giving up greater than 50%

2. Most of the defenses are over blitz heavy. People go down this rabbit hole because it pays instant dividends. However it also leaves you in some dirty 1:1 coverage setups, including alot of times where the SS or FS are in man coverage lined up over a WR. This matchup is a huge advantage to the WR , if the QB can read quickly enough and deliver an accurate ball your going to give up quite a bit.

3. I'm a huge fan of getting blitzed, I know we'll hit 60% passing in Dakota for teams that like to sell out.

4. Another thing , most of the SS builds I've seen are knockout types. Defending the pass if your SS is the TE's errand boy all game your going to give up alot.

Originally posted by bhall43
He's bound to meet og this season soon in ladder.

Yeah they are both pretty violently good. I have no issues with great teams beating me, I've got some guys with good , not perfect, builds though and while I think we could make a run towards the top 10 , I'm also not willing to cut those guys to improve longer term. Just too much loyalty of enjoying a good game with agents I really enjoy having in my forum.
I would cut my own Strong Safety though but have never found a coverage guy to replace him and searched for two straight off-seasons.

Originally posted by bhall43
He's bound to meet og this season soon in ladder.

Ya, but OG is pretty weaksauce at a mere 500 yards per game or so average

Originally posted by william78
Honestly:
1. Most of the CB's are built improperly , close but not good enough to keep you from giving up greater than 50%

Meet my first CB, and the very firstest player I made in GLB2.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/39201

He was #1 on the sophomore HOF list last season. So far this season he's only allowed 46.1% of passes targeted at him, and has 4 PD's and 2 INT's. That good enough for ya? He's my CB1 for the Lounge.

CB2 for the Lounge is at 34.2%, but no interceptions yet.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/49296

I'm on safe ground when I claim I know how to build DB's and advise others in building theirs, and yet as excellent as Lost Lounge is across the board in the secondary, I'm looking at the upcoming game with DADDY knowing that I'm going to get torched in the passing game.

Originally posted by
2. Most of the defenses are over blitz heavy. People go down this rabbit hole because it pays instant dividends. However it also leaves you in some dirty 1:1 coverage setups, including alot of times where the SS or FS are in many coverage lined up over a WR. This matchup is a huge advantage to the WR , if the QB can read quickly enough and deliver an accurate ball your going to give up quite a bit.

And I can put 9 guys into coverage, and the same thing will happen. Only, it will happen 20 or 30 yards down the field instead of just 10. In fact, the new coverage meta makes it vastly more likely that a QB with time will do more damage than a QB that's rushed. I suspect it won't take everyone else that long to figure that out.

Originally posted by
3. I'm a huge fan of getting blitzed, I know we'll hit 60% passing in Dakota for teams that like to sell out.

4. Another thing , most of the SS builds I've seen are knockout types. Defending the pass if your SS is the TE's errand boy all game your going to give up alot.

Actually, I'm pretty sure a SS has a much better chance of knocking the ball loose than they do of deflecting a pass. So why not go for knockout builds.

Xav,

1.If your CB is under 50% completions your on the right track. The difficulty is you need to field 5 who can play at a similar level.

2.There in lies the rub of what I'm saying, if your overload blitzing all the time you'll get torched at 60% by a good passing team, play cover 9 and you can get torched by just about anyone. Generating a pass rush with just 4 or 5 guys rushing is where its at, you'll have a couple receiving options double covered or hidden with a zone and the QB won't have an eternity to pass. Will you stop every long pass? - No. Will you hold them under 50% probably so.

3. On the SS, thats a matter of choice though I see alot of big play TE's downfield making plays with SS's drapped all over them. Whats a good season on "knocked lose", 10-15 times a season? That on the high side is one every other game. Maybe there is a great safety out there who is knocking out 1 a game; what about the other 3 he gives up, or more likely is in the wrong position to even defend. Doesn't show up on his stat sheet but...

If your at 50% in the CB3 spot you are certainly playing well enough.

william,

My LL secondary has held opposing QB's to 52.5% completions. I'd put that up against any in the game.

My LL secondary is still going to get torched when we play DADDY. They are ahead of the curve on adjusting to the new meta.

Why do you think I'm thrilled to see so many uninformed OC's and owners believing people like you who scream ZOMG QB ROLLLOUT OP rather than me who's actually been presenting evidence to the contrary?

I know I can stop the run. I know I currently cannot stop the pass.

If you want to build a run-only offense, by all means.

Originally posted by william78
Xav,

1.If your CB is under 50% completions your on the right track. The difficulty is you need to field 5 who can play at a similar level.





http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27890 - 46% Completion rate
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27882 - 50%
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27886 - 34%
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27888 - 59%
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27889 - 50%

5 INT's in 5 games so far.

Originally posted by Xavori
william,

My LL secondary has held opposing QB's to 52.5% completions. I'd put that up against any in the game.

My LL secondary is still going to get torched when we play DADDY. They are ahead of the curve on adjusting to the new meta.

Why do you think I'm thrilled to see so many uninformed OC's and owners believing people like you who scream ZOMG QB ROLLLOUT OP rather than me who's actually been presenting evidence to the contrary?

I know I can stop the run. I know I currently cannot stop the pass.

If you want to build a run-only offense, by all means.

Uninformed, as always thinking your more intelligent and better informed than anyone else.

Alot of people who have looked at the issue think its over powered, you have a different opinion, doesn't make them uninformed. Best NFL Rushing YPC average of all time was
1963 Cleveland Browns averaging 5.737 YPC... Yorick doesn't carry a back or QB averaging less than 7.2 and a QB averaging 25.6YPC - thats rediculous

Originally posted by Xavori
william,

My LL secondary has held opposing QB's to 52.5% completions. I'd put that up against any in the game.

My LL secondary is still going to get torched when we play DADDY. They are ahead of the curve on adjusting to the new meta.

Why do you think I'm thrilled to see so many uninformed OC's and owners believing people like you who scream ZOMG QB ROLLLOUT OP rather than me who's actually been presenting evidence to the contrary?

I know I can stop the run. I know I currently cannot stop the pass.

If you want to build a run-only offense, by all means.

The play is OP, if you are relying on luck to stop it then it is OP. It has no consistent defensive counter. Saying that, Deep passing is just as broke.

Originally posted by william78
Uninformed, as always thinking your more intelligent and better informed than anyone else.

Says the guy who claimed, "Most of the CB's are built improperly," without any evidence to back him to the guy who specifically included the evidence that supported his claim.

Do you see why I'm not really taking most of y'all seriously when you complain about ZOMG QB ROLLOUT OP!!!


Originally posted by Parab00n
The play is OP, if you are relying on luck to stop it then it is OP. It has no consistent defensive counter. Saying that, Deep passing is just as broke.

I'm not relying on luck to stop it. Nor do I consider 0 yards every time the standard for success against it. Anyone who thinks otherwise has set an impossible bar for evaluation, and one that they are likely not using to evaluate any other play in the game. Heck, even if your standard was the much easier, "doesn't allow 50+ yard TD's", it's a bad standard that would make Yorick's entire playbook OP.

If you really want to watch a team that has that play down pat defense-wise, watch Sexy Dance Fighters sometime. They really do shutout quite a few teams that run it (including Yorick last season), and have won practically every game they've played where that was the centerpiece of their opponent's offense.

Xav,

We'll I tried to help you out because I sense you had some real concerns and some possibility to perhaps discuss things civilly. Won't engage you anymore but really:

I don't think this thing will end in the way you want it to.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/61128 30% (42% last year)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62179 35% (47% LY)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62161 44% (47% LY)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62355 39% (41% LY)

My fifth CB isn't built for coverage, he's atrocious, but I often let my SS handle a lot of CB5 coverage duties. 78/164 last year with 10 PD's (50/50 KL) and a pick.

Originally posted by kirincnj
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/61128 30% (42% last year)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62179 35% (47% LY)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62161 44% (47% LY)

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/62355 39% (41% LY)

My fifth CB isn't built for coverage, he's atrocious, but I often let my SS handle a lot of CB5 coverage duties. 78/164 last year with 10 PD's (50/50 KL) and a pick.






Not too shabby , SuperStar CB huh?

Originally posted by william78
Xav,

We'll I tried to help you out because I sense you had some real concerns and some possibility to perhaps discuss things civilly. Won't engage you anymore but really:

I don't think this thing will end in the way you want it to.

Rofl.

So when I call you on your bs claims without evidence, that's uncivil? I should just politely sit with my hands folded in my lap while you make up whatever nonsense you want? I should never expect that you be prepared to substantiate your arguments with data that could support those arguments?

You're right. You shouldn't engage me anymore if that's your approach to argumentation. I demand that claims have backing, warrants and other such evidence types to support them in order to be taken seriously. And I mock the hell out of people who don't meet that very minimal standard.

Normally this makes me very easy to convince. Simply present evidence that shows the flaws in my arguments or supports yours, and I readily accept the new information because I didn't get to be the smartest guy in so many rooms by ignoring reality.