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Originally posted by Luke Pass


How is your OPINION putting anyone in their place? Its called an Opinion for a reason.

But, now that its quoted, we can come back after the fantasy season .... That way we can see if you are actually right




based on what? point total at the end of the season? cause i'm pretty sure all of those people will have more points than he will by the end of the year.

Yeah, obviously just a heads up with the same position. Different position can't be just a heads up .... which is the part that gets tricky for people not accustomed to success in FF. Not sure how detailed I will have to be to explain it, or if you even play FF?

- How league scores
- Your first rb paired with the other position(s) in rounds 1 & 2 ... vs ... Martin paired with WR/QB/TE you can draft in round 3 (1st player)


Martin was 14th in scoring last season ... of the top 14, 11 of them were QB's. That is why it isn't just a heads up battle, obviously, an average QB is going to score more than most players. Not even sure if this makes sense to you though .... again, not sure if you have any FF experience.

Originally posted by Luke Pass
Yeah, obviously just a heads up with the same position. Different position can't be just a heads up .... which is the part that gets tricky for people not accustomed to success in FF. Not sure how detailed I will have to be to explain it, or if you even play FF?

- How league scores
- Your first rb paired with the other position(s) in rounds 1 & 2 ... vs ... Martin paired with WR/QB/TE you can draft in round 3 (1st player)


Martin was 14th in scoring last season ... of the top 14, 11 of them were QB's. That is why it isn't just a heads up battle, obviously, an average QB is going to score more than most players. Not even sure if this makes sense to you though .... again, not sure if you have any FF experience.



yeah you just posted a bunch of shit that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what i asked you, i don't know if you play football period, but there IS a difference between a RB, a QB, and a WR/TE. JUST SO YOU KNOW LUKE PASS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD. I don't know about this whole FF stuff that you're talking about, but I would imagine in FF the team with the most points win the game...correct? so if a WR QB and TE are all scoring more points than martin on a week to week basis...i mean you do the math.

Originally posted by lVlellovv
yeah you just posted a bunch of shit that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what i asked you, i don't know if you play football period, but there IS a difference between a RB, a QB, and a WR/TE. JUST SO YOU KNOW LUKE PASS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD. I don't know about this whole FF stuff that you're talking about, but I would imagine in FF the team with the most points win the game...correct? so if a WR QB and TE are all scoring more points than martin on a week to week basis...i mean you do the math.



Which is what I figured ... not going to explain everything to you, but clearly you don't play Fantasy Football.

It's a "Fantasy Football" thread .... Not sure what you are even talking about, which is about normal. I have your post quoted, I can respond after the season, to see how wrong you were ... or if you were right about Doug Martin being terrible this year.

Just another

lol my god you are stupid.

Originally posted by lVlellovv
yeah you just posted a bunch of shit that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what i asked you, i don't know if you play football period, but there IS a difference between a RB, a QB, and a WR/TE. JUST SO YOU KNOW LUKE PASS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD. I don't know about this whole FF stuff that you're talking about, but I would imagine in FF the team with the most points win the game...correct? so if a WR QB and TE are all scoring more points than martin on a week to week basis...i mean you do the math.


The bolded only matters if you are in a superflex league; otherwise, it is completely irrelevant.

Let's say you are in a 2 team draft with only 8 players available: 2 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, and 2 TE, and you can only draft 1 player from each position.

The #1 WR, QB, and TE each scores 10 pts a week, while the #2 players at those positions scores 9 pts a week.
Martin is the #1 RB and scores 6 pts a week, while the #2 RB scores 4 points a week.

Which of the 4 positions do you draft first?

Answer: the RB, because even though he scores less points then the other 3 positions, he scores more points then the #2 RB.

You can look up Value Based Drafting for more info.

QBs typically are the highest point-scorers in FF, but only 1 maybe 2 are taken in the 1st round. Why? Because of the abundance of quality at the position.

The drop off from QB1 or 2 to 8-10 isn't going to be very significant. RB, on the other hand, is a rare commodity these days. The drop off from 1-2 to 8-10 is greater. Plus, you only need 1 starting QB, whereas with RB you need 2 starters and someone decent for flex or backup for bye weeks and in case of injury.

That's why you take Martin in the 1st round even though there are WRs and QBs who will score more points than him.

Let's say you take Rodgers in the 1st. By the time you pick again in the 2nd, you are lucky if you can get RB 8-10, and then in the 3rd or 4th you'll have an even lower RB, maybe not even a starter at that point.

Option A: Rodgers, Ridley, BGE/Mathews/Bell
Option B: Martin, Ridley, Matt Ryan

The drop-off from Rodgers to Ryan isn't nearly as large as the drop off from Martin to BGE/Mathews/Bell

as siguu said, it's Value-based drafting.

Originally posted by siquu
The bolded only matters if you are in a superflex league; otherwise, it is completely irrelevant.

Let's say you are in a 2 team draft with only 8 players available: 2 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, and 2 TE, and you can only draft 1 player from each position.

The #1 WR, QB, and TE each scores 10 pts a week, while the #2 players at those positions scores 9 pts a week.
Martin is the #1 RB and scores 6 pts a week, while the #2 RB scores 4 points a week.

Which of the 4 positions do you draft first?

Answer: the RB, because even though he scores less points then the other 3 positions, he scores more points then the #2 RB.

You can look up Value Based Drafting for more info.

yeah i only won in 10 of my leagues last year sorry i don't know anything about fantasy football, in a standard based league, and when it comes to the draft, i'm not drafting martin int he first 2 rounds, i'm not going to do it. that's what started this whole conversation, i don't think he's a top 5 fantasy running back either, even outside of AP.

Originally posted by El Kabong
QBs typically are the highest point-scorers in FF, but only 1 maybe 2 are taken in the 1st round. Why? Because of the abundance of quality at the position.

The drop off from QB1 or 2 to 8-10 isn't going to be very significant. RB, on the other hand, is a rare commodity these days. The drop off from 1-2 to 8-10 is greater. Plus, you only need 1 starting QB, whereas with RB you need 2 starters and someone decent for flex or backup for bye weeks and in case of injury.

That's why you take Martin in the 1st round even though there are WRs and QBs who will score more points than him.

Let's say you take Rodgers in the 1st. By the time you pick again in the 2nd, you are lucky if you can get RB 8-10, and then in the 3rd or 4th you'll have an even lower RB, maybe not even a starter at that point.

Option A: Rodgers, Ridley, BGE/Mathews/Bell
Option B: Martin, Ridley, Matt Ryan

The drop-off from Rodgers to Ryan isn't nearly as large as the drop off from Martin to BGE/Mathews/Bell

as siguu said, it's Value-based drafting.

he's a first rounder cause people believe he's going to do well this year, in the first round it's not like everyone chooses a running back

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Originally posted by lVlellovv
he's a first rounder cause people believe he's going to do well this year, in the first round it's not like everyone chooses a running back, and frankly you'd be dumb to if people like rodgers or calvin johnson are on the board, if arian foster and ap aren't there you'd draft one of those guys, not the number 3-10 running back

I won't draft Rodgers or Calvin until mid 1st round after the top 5-7 RBs are gone. Martin is a 1st rounder because he was one of the top performing RBs last season and RBs are a rare position.

Re-read the option A and B example in my post for the reason why drafting a RB even after the first 2 is still a good idea over Rodgers and especially over Calvin. WR is ridiculously deep this year. It's not only about total point production per player. Certain positions are rarer and therefor worth more than just their point production.

Rodgers, Steven Jackson, Ryan Mathews or Doug Martin, Steven Jackson, Matt Ryan. Ryan will be close to Rodgers in terms of total points, but Martin will likely be way ahead of Mathews or any other back picked there. Basically in terms of guestimated points points: 400+ 330+220 (950) vs. 350+330+380 (1060).

I'd rather have the #3-6 RB and the #3-5 QB than the #1 QB and my 2nd RB is #18+

Originally posted by lVlellovv
yeah i only won in 10 of my leagues last year sorry i don't know anything about fantasy football, in a standard based league, and when it comes to the draft, i'm not drafting martin int he first 2 rounds, i'm not going to do it. that's what started this whole conversation, i don't think he's a top 5 fantasy running back either, even outside of AP.

Winning 10 leagues means you were in a lot of leagues.

If you're not drafting Martin in the first 2 rounds, then you think that he isn't a top 14 back. After 3 rounds, 20 RB's are drafted before him.

I'd like to know why you think Martin will be awful in 2013.

Originally posted by lVlellovv
Originally posted by El Kabong

QBs typically are the highest point-scorers in FF, but only 1 maybe 2 are taken in the 1st round. Why? Because of the abundance of quality at the position.

The drop off from QB1 or 2 to 8-10 isn't going to be very significant. RB, on the other hand, is a rare commodity these days. The drop off from 1-2 to 8-10 is greater. Plus, you only need 1 starting QB, whereas with RB you need 2 starters and someone decent for flex or backup for bye weeks and in case of injury.

That's why you take Martin in the 1st round even though there are WRs and QBs who will score more points than him.

Let's say you take Rodgers in the 1st. By the time you pick again in the 2nd, you are lucky if you can get RB 8-10, and then in the 3rd or 4th you'll have an even lower RB, maybe not even a starter at that point.

Option A: Rodgers, Ridley, BGE/Mathews/Bell
Option B: Martin, Ridley, Matt Ryan

The drop-off from Rodgers to Ryan isn't nearly as large as the drop off from Martin to BGE/Mathews/Bell

as siguu said, it's Value-based drafting.

he's a first rounder cause people believe he's going to do well this year, in the first round it's not like everyone chooses a running back, and frankly you'd be dumb to if people like rodgers or calvin johnson are on the board, if arian foster and ap aren't there you'd draft one of those guys, not the number 3-10 running back

lol at taking QB in the first round

Lol at taking a QB in the first round, right because QBs are never the single highest point scorers for one single starting spot on a rooster. Then lol even more when Rogers carries you to title's multiple years in a row.