Warrior General Games

Originally posted by StiffarmSteve
1. Rhinos - Not even up for debate imo...
I'll have to total it up, but I'm betting more wins then any other team to go a long with a high win percentage over several seasons. Beat LOL for the Season 8 Championship.


Even though it's alot of "shoulda, woulda, coulda" talk, one thing that is often forgot about that season 8 championship game was how it was played.

LOL had one of the craziest scrimmage schedules that year and ended up dethroning the #1 team in GLB that year in a tourney game that ended up being an epic battle of Jedi vs. Csonka.

Season 8 was the year of the Islam and arguably there wasn't a better team and RB in all of GLB than LOL and Jedi. I told Hokie to slam the ever living crap out of WWR on our way to a title. Wouldn't have been the most honorable way to win, but there wasn't anyone in GLB that had proven they could stop it.

Instead Hokie did the gentleman thing, put in a more diverse gameplan that went away from our strengths and we lost. Don't get me wrong, WWR deserves the season 8 championship and on that day they were most certainly the better team. But to anyone here in season 8 that was familiar with the 100% slam/screen offense. You know how unstoppable a cheesy LOL could have been.

1. Jedi was a fucking monster!
2. I have all the respect in the world for LOL... always been a bunch of good guys to me.
3. To clear things up a bit, we had a pretty decent power back in Beanie Wells (APL Hall of Famer, he was no Jedi though). Hokie and I made a gentleman's agreement for both of our teams to not exploit I-Slam. He thought it would be corny for us to represent the APL like that and I agreed with him.

No doubt Hokie is one of the "good guys" in the GLB. No Doubt about it.

I tried to get Jedi from you when LOL broke up...
I also tried to talk Skanker into bringing Tea Baggins to the Rhinos as well. Guaranteed we'd win a Championship in his final season with our offensive line and Tricon coordinating. We made it to the finals and damn DD met us there... Tea killed us on the sweep and they ended up winning it all.

EDIT: I forgot to add my tear at the end there.

Originally posted by Chugga
Even though it's alot of "shoulda, woulda, coulda" talk, one thing that is often forgot about that season 8 championship game was how it was played.

LOL had one of the craziest scrimmage schedules that year and ended up dethroning the #1 team in GLB that year in a tourney game that ended up being an epic battle of Jedi vs. Csonka.

Season 8 was the year of the Islam and arguably there wasn't a better team and RB in all of GLB than LOL and Jedi. I told Hokie to slam the ever living crap out of WWR on our way to a title. Wouldn't have been the most honorable way to win, but there wasn't anyone in GLB that had proven they could stop it.

Instead Hokie did the gentleman thing, put in a more diverse gameplan that went away from our strengths and we lost. Don't get me wrong, WWR deserves the season 8 championship and on that day they were most certainly the better team. But to anyone here in season 8 that was familiar with the 100% slam/screen offense. You know how unstoppable a cheesy LOL could have been.

So let me get this straight....LOL lost the season 8 Championship to WWR because Hokie decided to run a legit offensive gameplan, instead of an exploit filled one, and this makes them good how?

Originally posted by BayouBobby
So let me get this straight....LOL lost the season 8 Championship to WWR because Hokie decided to run a legit offensive gameplan, instead of an exploit filled one, and this makes them good how?

integrity is integrity

Originally posted by JTsNiners
Originally posted by BayouBobby

So let me get this straight....LOL lost the season 8 Championship to WWR because Hokie decided to run a legit offensive gameplan, instead of an exploit filled one, and this makes them good how?

integrity is integrity

He should have just turned off the AI instead

Originally posted by Moretti
your example is comparing one league. Superbowl consists of top two teams from each conference, which is made up of smaller divisions.

what this is is actually more like stating teams who are the best minor league teams. teams that are better and dont stick around and move up to pro shouldnt be considered for being a top minor league team becuase they play in another league, regardless if its superior.

The dakar dragons are a good example for my point. Were they a good team? Yes. Were they considered a top APL team? Sure for that one season. They then were a world league team. They played in a different league. Where they came from shouldnt really factor into determining the best of one league.

What I think would be more accurate would be to list the actual top 10 best teams for their season, like WWR season 19 , D9 season 19 etc. This takes away my argument and allows actual comparison, win/loss record, points scored, allowed etc.



If there had not been a WL then Dakar would have won at least 4 gold apl trophies, just sayin.

Originally posted by head1
If there had not been a WL then Dakar would have won at least 4 gold apl trophies, just sayin.



If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle... wait, what...

Originally posted by Moretti
Originally posted by PML97

By that logic we'd be saying that the best teams in APL are the ones who can't get to WL and stay there.

The best teams in the NFL who win their division and go on to win the Conference are still the best team from their division and the Conference. It's where they came from and even though their wins take them to a higher level their still the best team from their division.

Originally posted by foshizzel17

This.

your example is comparing one league. Superbowl consists of top two teams from each conference, which is made up of smaller divisions.

what this is is actually more like stating teams who are the best minor league teams. teams that are better and dont stick around and move up to pro shouldnt be considered for being a top minor league team becuase they play in another league, regardless if its superior.

The dakar dragons are a good example for my point. Were they a good team? Yes. Were they considered a top APL team? Sure for that one season. They then were a world league team. They played in a different league. Where they came from shouldnt really factor into determining the best of one league.

What I think would be more accurate would be to list the actual top 10 best teams for their season, like WWR season 19 , D9 season 19 etc. This takes away my argument and allows actual comparison, win/loss record, points scored, allowed etc.



That's crazy talk. Their from APL. Had they not left APL they would have continued to crush it there was no one here to stand in that teams way as they were the first APL team not to get demoted after one season and actually end up winning a playoff game. Dakar would have shreaded APL. APL was average at best during that time which is reflected by the fact that no one who promoted other than Dakar could stay in WL.

If the teams promoting couldn't stay it's obvious they were inferior teams since both played on the same stage. Do you have that perfect "head to head" from the APL teams conference winning season? No. Should they have been able to be competitive one season later due to increased ability to network from winning their conference and going to WL? Yes. So before an arguement comes in that they could be a lesser team we all know being a WL team opens a few more doors to agents. Hats off to any team who can get promoted for a season that's a great job. But if your back after one year no matter how nice it was getting promoted it was still a subpar season and your team couldn't match up with the best.

Which doesn't only mean your not the best of WL but if someone from APL is still kicking around there from making the playoffs and you another APL couldn't? How do you really think you can make an argument that the team being demoted or a current APL team is better? Our promotion system is what it is but if that team hadn't been promoted it would still be in APL and if it's winning in WL it could be crushing people in WL bottom line.

Same can be said for Carthage who would have crushed teams here over the past few seasons that they have been doing the WL fight. Neither Carthage or Dakar would have had competition from the likes of some of the good teams here. Ivory Coast, SOA, WWR have been good consistent teams in recent seasons. But only WWR could have had the ability to even play with those 2 teams. And WWR is one of the teams being recognized for their great longevity. BUT their longevity is beating up on moderate Pro teams it's just a plain and simple fact based on who has gone to WL and been succesful and who makes return trips back here as quick as they leave.

Originally posted by PML97
That's crazy talk. Their from APL. Had they not left APL they would have continued to crush it there was no one here to stand in that teams way as they were the first APL team not to get demoted after one season and actually end up winning a playoff game. Dakar would have shreaded APL. APL was average at best during that time which is reflected by the fact that no one who promoted other than Dakar could stay in WL.

If the teams promoting couldn't stay it's obvious they were inferior teams since both played on the same stage. Do you have that perfect "head to head" from the APL teams conference winning season? No. Should they have been able to be competitive one season later due to increased ability to network from winning their conference and going to WL? Yes. So before an arguement comes in that they could be a lesser team we all know being a WL team opens a few more doors to agents. Hats off to any team who can get promoted for a season that's a great job. But if your back after one year no matter how nice it was getting promoted it was still a subpar season and your team couldn't match up with the best.

Which doesn't only mean your not the best of WL but if someone from APL is still kicking around there from making the playoffs and you another APL couldn't? How do you really think you can make an argument that the team being demoted or a current APL team is better? Our promotion system is what it is but if that team hadn't been promoted it would still be in APL and if it's winning in WL it could be crushing people in WL bottom line.

Same can be said for Carthage who would have crushed teams here over the past few seasons that they have been doing the WL fight. Neither Carthage or Dakar would have had competition from the likes of some of the good teams here. Ivory Coast, SOA, WWR have been good consistent teams in recent seasons. But only WWR could have had the ability to even play with those 2 teams. And WWR is one of the teams being recognized for their great longevity. BUT their longevity is beating up on moderate Pro teams it's just a plain and simple fact based on who has gone to WL and been succesful and who makes return trips back here as quick as they leave.

again im not stating that teams like dakar, carthage etc are teams that may not be better than teams that would be on a list defined my by criteria, but my point is that dakar spent one season in APL. They dominated and moved up. They would have dominated had they stayed in the APL, i dont doubt that. But to me the list is reflecting teams for their actual accomplishments within the APL. Effectively that puts it that if you are a team like dakar and you are good enough not to come back down than thats evan better becuase now you get considered for top 10 WL team.

again this is not any slight to any team. i know alot of you guys on canton are former dakar guys and thats cool, this isnt an insult towards that. WL is a higher league than APL. In my opinion APL rankings should be based on success within the APL and not out of it. If your success is out of it you get ranked for whatever league you were in. thats just my opinion.

Hope you fine folks are good typists.

Originally posted by Moretti
again im not stating that teams like dakar, carthage etc are teams that may not be better than teams that would be on a list defined my by criteria, but my point is that dakar spent one season in APL. They dominated and moved up. They would have dominated had they stayed in the APL, i dont doubt that. But to me the list is reflecting teams for their actual accomplishments within the APL. Effectively that puts it that if you are a team like dakar and you are good enough not to come back down than thats evan better becuase now you get considered for top 10 WL team.

again this is not any slight to any team. i know alot of you guys on canton are former dakar guys and thats cool, this isnt an insult towards that. WL is a higher league than APL. In my opinion APL rankings should be based on success within the APL and not out of it. If your success is out of it you get ranked for whatever league you were in. thats just my opinion.

I outlined what my criteria for my rankings were. Though I understand your point, the WL is a different thing because you wear your regions flag and you return to that region when you demote. So, you are still APL when you are there, and you represent APL imo. Obviously, we all have our own criteria for determining what is a pretty open ended question. And I still rated teams higher for their accomplishments in APL alone, which is why WL failures like LOL and WWR are still 1 and 2.

And for the record, Dakar far from dominated the season we were in APL. I believe we were the 4 seed, and had a massive upset over GRiTs in the playoffs after losing to them by like 60 in the regular season. There were quite a few future WL teams in that Conference that season (Clash, Boston Dogs, GRiTs) and of course ABD was still here.

Wish the APL had more posts like this... at least it has people posting.

Originally posted by Landrys Legacy
Hope you fine folks are good typists.

Let me guess; you're not, fingers are too fat?

Originally posted by Moretti
again im not stating that teams like dakar, carthage etc are teams that may not be better than teams that would be on a list defined my by criteria, but my point is that dakar spent one season in APL. They dominated and moved up. They would have dominated had they stayed in the APL, i dont doubt that. But to me the list is reflecting teams for their actual accomplishments within the APL. Effectively that puts it that if you are a team like dakar and you are good enough not to come back down than thats evan better becuase now you get considered for top 10 WL team.

again this is not any slight to any team. i know alot of you guys on canton are former dakar guys and thats cool, this isnt an insult towards that. WL is a higher league than APL. In my opinion APL rankings should be based on success within the APL and not out of it. If your success is out of it you get ranked for whatever league you were in. thats just my opinion.


For what it's worth i've explained your rationale in our team forums that should we lose in the Conference finals today that we'd be considered one of the best APL teams of all time.... 4 losses in 3 seasons with another most likely guaranteed 1-2 loss season next year. Greatness defined by losing the big one....

Interestingly enough the other guys don't quite buy into what i'm pushing....

Originally posted by PML97

For what it's worth i've explained your rationale in our team forums that should we lose in the Conference finals today that we'd be considered one of the best APL teams of all time.... 4 losses in 3 seasons with another most likely guaranteed 1-2 loss season next year. Greatness defined by losing the big one....

Interestingly enough the other guys don't quite buy into what i'm pushing....

me neither