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Gino Toretta was nowhere near as good as a college QB as Wuerffel, Ward or Young. For starters those guys didn't choke in their national title games.
I can't even believe out of all the good Miami QBs that you even listed Toretta. He's not even the best Miami QB of all time.

Gino Toretta!???? Are you f*cking kidding me??? Thank you for sharing your football brilliance in a public setting.

Gino f-in Toretta!

LMAO

Originally posted by Buccs99
Weak year ? He beat out Marshall Faulk, Drew Bledsoe, Charlie Ward, and Garrison Hurst.

He also threw for over 7,000 yards (twice as many as young) and twice as many td's.


The guy was a better college QB than vince young, homer.


Also as swamp said, Danny Awful and Charlie Ward were better.



Please, make an arguement on why he was better than toretta. Vince youngs td to int ratio sucked as well.

Let's look at their last year at their respective schools:

Torretta passed for over 3,060 yards his senior season, 30 yards more than Vince Young. By the way Vince also ran for over 1,000 yards and won the National Championship. Torretta lost to Alabama. Should I continue?

You want more? How about comparing Torretta's 7,722 yards of total offense to 9,167 yards of total offense. Oh, and Young left school after his junior year.

You are the biased one here my friend. I can go on with Young>Torretta all day long.

Originally posted by quixoft
Originally posted by Buccs99

Wait. Vince Young the best college qb ever to play the game ? HAHAHAHAHA are you people like 15-16 years old or are you from texas and just have blind homerism oozing from every orafice of your body ?


John Elway
Gino Toretta
Andre Ware
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Ty Detmer
Doug Flutie
Tommy Frazier



all come to mind right away as better college QB's. Vince young might make the bottom 15 best ever.

I would take Vince(college Vince) over every one of those except Frazier.




You sir are retarded.

Flutie, Ware, Detmer, and Elway did some pretty amazing things in college... and their schools were not completely overloaded with top level talent like USC & UT was. I mean the best people that played with Flutie was Romanowski, Doug Widell, and Kelvin Martin.

Frazier's a tough sell. Nebraska had so many ridiculously sick OL that I'm pretty sure lots of QBs coulda played the option there. They very rarely had to pass the ball. There was a time in the late 90s (i think) where there was a Nebraska OL-men on every team in the NFL.

Anyway... we all see now how VY plays when he's playing against a real defense. He's inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and has trouble with turnovers. We'll see if he can correct those as anything is possible.. but in the meantime, the Titans will struggle.

Originally posted by jedaviso
He's inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and has trouble with turnovers. We'll see if he can correct those as anything is possible.. but in the meantime, the Titans will struggle.

Vince Young..... read an NFL Defense?

http://www.profootballtalk.com/VinceEinstein.jpg

Originally posted by Samomofo
Originally posted by Buccs99

Weak year ? He beat out Marshall Faulk, Drew Bledsoe, Charlie Ward, and Garrison Hurst.

He also threw for over 7,000 yards (twice as many as young) and twice as many td's.


The guy was a better college QB than vince young, homer.


Also as swamp said, Danny Awful and Charlie Ward were better.



Please, make an arguement on why he was better than toretta. Vince youngs td to int ratio sucked as well.

Let's look at their last year at their respective schools:

Torretta passed for over 3,060 yards his senior season, 30 yards more than Vince Young. By the way Vince also ran for over 1,000 yards and won the National Championship. Torretta lost to Alabama. Should I continue?

You want more? How about comparing Torretta's 7,722 yards of total offense to 9,167 yards of total offense. Oh, and Young left school after his junior year.

You are the biased one here my friend. I can go on with Young>Torretta all day long.




Torretta won a championship in 91 as the starter of the team against houston, genious. two national championships, 1 title, heisman twice as many passing yards and more touchdowns.

Torretta > Young

Originally posted by Swamp Rat
Gino Toretta was nowhere near as good as a college QB as Wuerffel, Ward or Young. For starters those guys didn't choke in their national title games.
I can't even believe out of all the good Miami QBs that you even listed Toretta. He's not even the best Miami QB of all time.

What are you talking about, Toretta was 1-1 in national championship games. He lost to alabama but kicked the shit out of houston.


Toretta made it twice at least. Actually, made it 3 times if you count when he was a redshirt in 89.


BTW, when the hell did this become Danny awful and Torretta talk. All im saying is BOTH of those qb's had better college careers than vince young. I could give two shits less about Danny Wuerffel.

Originally posted by jedaviso
Flutie, Ware, Detmer, and Elway did some pretty amazing things in college... and their schools were not completely overloaded with top level talent like USC & UT was. I mean the best people that played with Flutie was Romanowski, Doug Widell, and Kelvin Martin.

Frazier's a tough sell. Nebraska had so many ridiculously sick OL that I'm pretty sure lots of QBs coulda played the option there. They very rarely had to pass the ball. There was a time in the late 90s (i think) where there was a Nebraska OL-men on every team in the NFL.

Anyway... we all see now how VY plays when he's playing against a real defense. He's inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and has trouble with turnovers. We'll see if he can correct those as anything is possible.. but in the meantime, the Titans will struggle.

Yeah, because top tier NFL qb's never struggle when they start-off in the league -- particularly when their starting WR's are a collection of various joe schmoes who signed a contract in exchange for the promise of all you can eat hot dogs.

And while I'm on a rant, who the hell made this heretic a gm of an OB team? Just last week I was recruiting a high lvl WR who turned out to be sooner and so I stopped recruiting him. A motherf*cker gots to have some standards.

Originally posted by jedaviso
Flutie, Ware, Detmer, and Elway did some pretty amazing things in college... and their schools were not completely overloaded with top level talent like USC & UT was. I mean the best people that played with Flutie was Romanowski, Doug Widell, and Kelvin Martin.

Frazier's a tough sell. Nebraska had so many ridiculously sick OL that I'm pretty sure lots of QBs coulda played the option there. They very rarely had to pass the ball. There was a time in the late 90s (i think) where there was a Nebraska OL-men on every team in the NFL.

Anyway... we all see now how VY plays when he's playing against a real defense. He's inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and has trouble with turnovers. We'll see if he can correct those as anything is possible.. but in the meantime, the Titans will struggle.


You do realize that is how he started out in college? Once the lightbulb came on it was over. Who knows if the bulb will go off in the pros, but the dude is too talented to discount. I have my money on Vince.

On the whole who was a better college QB, there is not a definative answer, but if you dont think Vince belongs in the discussion of top couple I cant/ wont discuss college football with you.

Originally posted by jedaviso
Flutie, Ware, Detmer, and Elway did some pretty amazing things in college... and their schools were not completely overloaded with top level talent like USC & UT was. I mean the best people that played with Flutie was Romanowski, Doug Widell, and Kelvin Martin.

Frazier's a tough sell. Nebraska had so many ridiculously sick OL that I'm pretty sure lots of QBs coulda played the option there. They very rarely had to pass the ball. There was a time in the late 90s (i think) where there was a Nebraska OL-men on every team in the NFL.

Anyway... we all see now how VY plays when he's playing against a real defense. He's inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and has trouble with turnovers. We'll see if he can correct those as anything is possible.. but in the meantime, the Titans will struggle.

In vinces defense, his NFL play shouldnt count in the discussion of best College qb's because half the list of the best were sorry nfl players.



but you are right on the money. what those guys did, mostly in mid-level schools was awesome. Young played for a texas team littered with great players. Elway played at stanford. Ty Detmer won a heisman at BYU (name another non-bcs player to win a heisman) along with staubach who was better than vince young who went to Navy.

Originally posted by Buccs99
Originally posted by Swamp Rat

Gino Toretta was nowhere near as good as a college QB as Wuerffel, Ward or Young. For starters those guys didn't choke in their national title games.
I can't even believe out of all the good Miami QBs that you even listed Toretta. He's not even the best Miami QB of all time.

What are you talking about, Toretta was 1-1 in national championship games. He lost to alabama but kicked the shit out of houston.


Toretta made it twice at least. Actually, made it 3 times if you count when he was a redshirt in 89.


BTW, when the hell did this become Danny awful and Torretta talk. All im saying is BOTH of those qb's had better college careers than vince young. I could give two shits less about Danny Wuerffel.

Seriously, turn in your man-card and just stop embarassing yourself. 3000 yds passing 1000 yds rushing and the 2 most dominant Rose Bowl performances of all time. /End of argument.

Originally posted by Buccs99
Originally posted by Swamp Rat

Gino Toretta was nowhere near as good as a college QB as Wuerffel, Ward or Young. For starters those guys didn't choke in their national title games.
I can't even believe out of all the good Miami QBs that you even listed Toretta. He's not even the best Miami QB of all time.



BTW, when the hell did this become Danny awful and Torretta talk. All im saying is BOTH of those qb's had better college careers than vince young.

You do realize that Vince skipped out his senior season where both Torretta and Wuerffel did not. If you are going to compare their career stats, drop the other two QB's senior season.

Yes, that Texas team had great talent. But wasn't the USC team they beat the "Greatest Ever"? Pretty sure they had equal if not more talent than Texas that year.

Originally posted by BuddyHorn


You do realize that is how he started out in college? Once the lightbulb came on it was over. Who knows if the bulb will go off in the pros, but the dude is too talented to discount. I have my money on Vince.


If he can find an NFL offensive coordinator that can bring in a 15% QB Draw package while allowing Vince to throw 7 yard out patters the rest of the time and not read a coverage he'll be a hall of famer.

Funny how having VY on the team all of a sudden made Norm Chow an idiot who knew nothing about coaching an offense up.