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Originally posted by vrecksler
Bort gets paid no matter of Dtown or CC play in Gold or Copper, so what's his incentive? The longer I stay in GLB the more I am realising it is ALL about money. Since PW is essentially the goose that lays the golden flex (no other league recycles CE and boosts at the rate we do since we start over each season) you can count on Bort listening in 1 of 2 conditions:

1. It will make him more money.
2. If it doesn't make him more money, there has to be a shit load of support from players who do make him money.

In this case, you don't have the first condition, and this thread is only at page 2 with only a few in support so you really don't have the second condition. Therefore, no action will be taken and it's why I don't buy flex anymore.

I said it a couple seasons ago; we are paying customers but are treated like GLB is freeware. No one listens or responds unless it affects Bort's bottom line. I have had to reduce the number of players I make each season (since I boost and CE my guys) and once it's gone, so am I. Customer service here is shit and throwing the PW faithful a bone every 2-3 seasons is just bullshit.

That's why I've NEVER bought flex before.

Originally posted by vrecksler
Bort gets paid no matter of Dtown or CC play in Gold or Copper, so what's his incentive? The longer I stay in GLB the more I am realising it is ALL about money. Since PW is essentially the goose that lays the golden flex (no other league recycles CE and boosts at the rate we do since we start over each season) you can count on Bort listening in 1 of 2 conditions:

1. It will make him more money.
2. If it doesn't make him more money, there has to be a shit load of support from players who do make him money.
.

Let's just look at Gold. 32 teams with average roster of 53 and probably more than 80% equipping their player with CE = 800,000+ flex every season. Using the 5,000 flex package at $38.00 that is over $6K per season just for Gold.

I believe someone shown before that Gold league alone nets him over 9 Thousand a season

Ok I did these numbers a few seasons ago when there was another conversation about how much money he makes off us here in pee Wee and why we are his Cash Cow. I'm only presenting this as devil's advocate and so people have adequate knowledge when making arguments.

For this scenario we will consider the average cost in flex of playing 5 players over 5 seasons with CEQ and 3x Boosting. Scenario 1 will be continuing those 5 players up through the ranks and Scenario 2 will be creating 5 One and Done Pee Wee Players retiring and recreating for the next season. For the CEQ we will NOT be adding the 300 flex SA Tree Bonus, just the 600 flex creation costs. We will assume that after the 5 seasons the account is abandoned and there is no way to "cash" out a Flex Point Balance to recoup costs.

Our 5 Players:
HB - 300 flex
TE - 200 flex
DT - 200 flex
G - 100 flex
K - 100 flex

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Scenario 1 - Continuation
Season 1 Costs - 6600
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
Season 2 Costs - 2700 Boosting
Season 3 Costs - 2700 Boosting
Season 4 Costs - 2700 Boosting
Season 5 Costs - 2700 Boosting

Total Costs : 17400 Flex
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Scenario 2 - Pee Wee Recreating
Season 1 Costs - 6600
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
REFUNDED - 4890
Season 2 Costs - 1710
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
- Previous Roll Over -4890
REFUNDED 4890
Season 3 Costs - 1710
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
- Previous Roll Over -4890
REFUNDED 4890
Season 4 Costs - 1710
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
- Previous Roll Over -4890
REFUNDED 4890
Season 5 Costs - 1710
- Creation - 900
- Boost - 2700
- CEQ - 3000
- Previous Roll Over -4890


Total Costs : 13440


So in fact, more money is actually made when people continue a player year after year then when they retire and recreate as we do here in Pee Wee. Of course what this doesn't account for is the number of people here in pee wee that make a TRUCK LOAD of players compared to other leagues. This just looks at one scenario.

Well fuck guys..........This was not my intention by any means and I am quiet sure not the other owners who are also diligently trying to give a Silver Team a chance to compete in our place.

The real sad thing is.....Only 2 Teams will get demoted next season, being that Cameron and Wam will fill the 15th and 16th spot. In the East and I have no idea how the West is stacking up but I am sure HHM can't get the demotion request either I would guess.

The option to run the Team is open and Hell No I am not begging. (I know what it takes to be in Gold) I am just giving someone a chance as I was given. So I would prefer a Silver Owner that didn't make it to Gold that is a reg. and I know of you or have an associate that knows of you and your a man of your word and I will be in return.

If your contemplating this. Let's talk NOW while you can still recruit or build the players yourself. My AI's are there for you to use and I will give direction as needed but want someone to grab the bull by the horns and do the best they can to see if they can hang in Gold themselves. If you are moved to Co Owner and you are able to keep WAM in Gold you will remain CO Owner if you wish or can take on another front office spot or just be on your way.

I put an informal request in through Darkus, so if he couldn't get it done its not happening.

It doesn't matter to me either way where HHM sits full of CPU players, I was just thinking of the other teams in gold by trying to get them some more competition, not to mention the teams in silver that deserve a shot.

But I'm assuming the problem comes from teams that want to demote out of gold then field a team in Silver just to take out a trophy (not that its a guarantee in silver, but its better odds then gold). I can't speak for everyone else, but HHM had no intention of fielding any team (even if we got demoted), so IMO Bort should have keep the integrity of gold league and booted the teams that wanted out.

I think the problem was most of us gave advanced notice and that it was a relative simple issue, we all know Borts style (he much rather make a massive league restructure decision based on one days thought) then fix something so trivial and beneath him! so bravo Bort, bravo

Originally posted by Dtownokie
Well fuck guys..........This was not my intention by any means and I am quiet sure not the other owners who are also diligently trying to give a Silver Team a chance to compete in our place.

The real sad thing is.....Only 2 Teams will get demoted next season, being that Cameron and Wam will fill the 15th and 16th spot. In the East and I have no idea how the West is stacking up but I am sure HHM can't get the demotion request either I would guess.

The option to run the Team is open and Hell No I am not begging. (I know what it takes to be in Gold) I am just giving someone a chance as I was given. So I would prefer a Silver Owner that didn't make it to Gold that is a reg. and I know of you or have an associate that knows of you and your a man of your word and I will be in return.

If your contemplating this. Let's talk NOW while you can still recruit or build the players yourself. My AI's are there for you to use and I will give direction as needed but want someone to grab the bull by the horns and do the best they can to see if they can hang in Gold themselves. If you are moved to Co Owner and you are able to keep WAM in Gold you will remain CO Owner if you wish or can take on another front office spot or just be on your way.




This is NOT a recruiting forum, if it is then seek the Draft thread in the reg pee wee forum

Originally posted by vrecksler
Bort gets paid no matter of Dtown or CC play in Gold or Copper, so what's his incentive? The longer I stay in GLB the more I am realising it is ALL about money. Since PW is essentially the goose that lays the golden flex (no other league recycles CE and boosts at the rate we do since we start over each season) you can count on Bort listening in 1 of 2 conditions:

1. It will make him more money.
2. If it doesn't make him more money, there has to be a shit load of support from players who do make him money.

In this case, you don't have the first condition, and this thread is only at page 2 with only a few in support so you really don't have the second condition. Therefore, no action will be taken and it's why I don't buy flex anymore.

I said it a couple seasons ago; we are paying customers but are treated like GLB is freeware. No one listens or responds unless it affects Bort's bottom line. I have had to reduce the number of players I make each season (since I boost and CE my guys) and once it's gone, so am I. Customer service here is shit and throwing the PW faithful a bone every 2-3 seasons is just bullshit.

This isn't really fair at all. He gave us the Day 41 creation... He took away ability to boost above the cap.. etc. etc. etc.

You can't just disregard all of the good things he's done

Originally posted by 1kwerdna


This isn't really fair at all. He gave us the Day 41 creation... He took away ability to boost above the cap.. etc. etc. etc.

You can't just disregard all of the good things he's done

Yes I can, and I quote.... "what have you done for me lately, Eddie!?!?""

Originally posted by LordEvil
This is NOT a recruiting forum, if it is then seek the Draft thread in the reg pee wee forum

LMAO yeah I guess recruiting a CO Owner is kinda whacky. I didn't even think anything of it that way.

Aww well the offer is out there, and I doubt any team that is not already in Gold has a shot to keep Wam in Gold. Not that that matters should they lose every game, we are going to anyways. They could see how they could stack up against the big boys, so they know what to expect if and when they do ever make it.

Thanks for opening up the draft thread for me.

Put me in the draft for a Co Owner swap. But I damn sure am not going to be teaching in my Off Season Bye.



Originally posted by Thunder66
Yes I can, and I quote.... "what have you done for me lately, Eddie!?!?""

Is Eddie available?

What a Cluster Fuck this has become............I agree with Keary is will take 2 seasons to get Gold back to where it was the last 2 seasons.

Whats a man to do? I already re uped my ownership for future use.

Dtown if it's about being too lazy to recruit I'll make all your players.. You have to be in charge of gameplanning and shit and I'm not gonna CEQ them

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
Dtown if it's about being too lazy to recruit I'll make all your players.. You have to be in charge of gameplanning and shit and I'm not gonna CEQ them

Nah thanks for the offer. I am far from a greedy person and if I don't do it 100% I wouldn't want to fail you or myself.
I actually just don't want to Coach, which consists of all aspects of both AI's, scouting and putting a game plan together to win. Doing ALL those for 3 Seasons in Gold will bring any man to needing a break. And that is kinda where I am.

I really appreciate your kindness man.

Wam is going to sit and rot in Gold S14 unless the right CO Owner, Coordinators wants to give it a go. Then they can consider recruiting or building to there needs.

I was just feeling bad for being a Bort escape goat for not doing the right thing and let us demote as properly requested.

I say we just wait for the other 30 gold teams to get bored (and catch up to our way of thinking) then we can have a 32 team CPU league for a gold league. That'd be awesome!

Originally posted by Thunder66
I say we just wait for the other 30 gold teams to get bored (and catch up to our way of thinking) then we can have a 32 team CPU league for a gold league. That'd be awesome!

+1 I concur

The consumers would be running the show, as it should be.