Manning left and could not win a national championship but the next QB came right in and took care of business...
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Originally posted by rjssob
So Manning isn't a product of Edgarin James, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clarke, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai and always having one of the best OL's in football? Manning has choked more often in the playoffs than he has succeeded and to say he owns Houston, Jacksonville and Tennessee is a laugher because Indy has the easiest schedule in football this season. Peyton Manning is a great fantasy football QB, but calling him the best of all time is a stretch....Settle down and lets see if he can snag one or two more Superbowls and then he has a chance to sit atop the throne.
No, those players are a product of Manning. There is no quarterback in the game right now that runs a game the way Manning does. He is the best in the game, and he could be the best of all time. Every one of those players you listed, his support staff, are average without him (except Clarke).
So Manning isn't a product of Edgarin James, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clarke, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai and always having one of the best OL's in football? Manning has choked more often in the playoffs than he has succeeded and to say he owns Houston, Jacksonville and Tennessee is a laugher because Indy has the easiest schedule in football this season. Peyton Manning is a great fantasy football QB, but calling him the best of all time is a stretch....Settle down and lets see if he can snag one or two more Superbowls and then he has a chance to sit atop the throne.
No, those players are a product of Manning. There is no quarterback in the game right now that runs a game the way Manning does. He is the best in the game, and he could be the best of all time. Every one of those players you listed, his support staff, are average without him (except Clarke).
One Superbowl victory is not enough to be considered the best of all time. I agree 100% that Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB we have seen since Tom Brady rewrote the record book two seasons ago. He is a a pure fantasy stud, but his playoff resume needs work.
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Originally posted by rjssob
One Superbowl victory is not enough to be considered the best of all time. I agree 100% that Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB we have seen since Tom Brady rewrote the record book two seasons ago. He is a a pure fantasy stud, but his playoff resume needs work.
If you switch teams does Brady still have 3 super bowls?
One Superbowl victory is not enough to be considered the best of all time. I agree 100% that Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB we have seen since Tom Brady rewrote the record book two seasons ago. He is a a pure fantasy stud, but his playoff resume needs work.
If you switch teams does Brady still have 3 super bowls?
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
Originally posted by rjssob
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
I disagree here when Brady was at Michigan he was not considered a great talent. And I think if he and Peyton swapped teams that Peyton wins more than 3 superbowls. Brady is a product of Bill's creation. Where as Peyton has had a couple of seasons with one of the worst coaches ever in my opinion. He didn't actually become great until Dungy came aboard. And as for Peyton and the collegiate championship man the system was broken then and still is. The Patriots won championships with alot of different players not just Brady. and the Patriots defense was a huge part of that. I do agree Peyton needs to add some good post season performances but there is no QB playing now or retired that gets the best out of the players he has like Peyton does.
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
I disagree here when Brady was at Michigan he was not considered a great talent. And I think if he and Peyton swapped teams that Peyton wins more than 3 superbowls. Brady is a product of Bill's creation. Where as Peyton has had a couple of seasons with one of the worst coaches ever in my opinion. He didn't actually become great until Dungy came aboard. And as for Peyton and the collegiate championship man the system was broken then and still is. The Patriots won championships with alot of different players not just Brady. and the Patriots defense was a huge part of that. I do agree Peyton needs to add some good post season performances but there is no QB playing now or retired that gets the best out of the players he has like Peyton does.
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Originally posted by rjssob
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
and Sunday. no. wait.
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
and Sunday. no. wait.
So Peyton gets the most out and brings out the best of everyone, while everyone else is just a product of a system...Laughable!
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Originally posted by rjssob
One Superbowl victory is not enough to be considered the best of all time. I agree 100% that Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB we have seen since Tom Brady rewrote the record book two seasons ago. He is a a pure fantasy stud, but his playoff resume needs work.
I have a feeling he is not done. I have never seen a better field general than Manning. He also makes incredivle throws. I don't buy him "choking" in the playoffs. He could have, and should have, had more success in the playoffs, but I don't think it has anything to do with not being able to play in big games.
One Superbowl victory is not enough to be considered the best of all time. I agree 100% that Peyton Manning is the best regular season QB we have seen since Tom Brady rewrote the record book two seasons ago. He is a a pure fantasy stud, but his playoff resume needs work.
I have a feeling he is not done. I have never seen a better field general than Manning. He also makes incredivle throws. I don't buy him "choking" in the playoffs. He could have, and should have, had more success in the playoffs, but I don't think it has anything to do with not being able to play in big games.
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Originally posted by rjssob
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
I would take Manning and the win. Brady is a product of his offense and the talent around him, to an extent. Manning has always had the offense on his shoulders.
I am not saying Brady is bad. However, I would take Manning and Brees over Brady. Of course, Brady does know how to win.
Why not, the Colts had more talent than the Patriots but they didn't have Brady. Say what you want, but the guy very rarely makes big mistakes in the playoffs and has led his team to 3 Superbowls, something Manning might never be able to do. In any game with equal talent, I am taking Brady over Manning every day of the week.
I would take Manning and the win. Brady is a product of his offense and the talent around him, to an extent. Manning has always had the offense on his shoulders.
I am not saying Brady is bad. However, I would take Manning and Brees over Brady. Of course, Brady does know how to win.
What talent surrounded Brady in his 3 Superbowl wins? Most foolish posts I have seen, Brady knows how to win but now you would take Manning and Brees over him? What the hell has Brees done to even warrant being mentioned in this conversation? Brady is a product of his offense or is it the offense is a product of Brady. I hate to say this, but you are starting to sound like dare I say, Vegas! I'm done with this one, Brady has the rings and numbers to show he is clearly the best of this decade and will go down as one of the best to ever play the game.
Here are the numbers, I bet you could just throw in Ryan Leaf to the Pats system and get these numbers....
44-13 Patriots - Sept. 30, 2001 at Foxboro Stadium
Brady: 13-of-23, 168 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Manning: 20-of-34, 196 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs
Skinny: Tom Brady’s career as a starter got off to a fast start, as the Patriots crushed the Colts in this Week 3 matchup.
38-17 Patriots - Oct: 21, 2001 at RCA Dome
Brady: 16-of-20, 202 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT
Manning: 22-of-34, 335 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Skinny: The then-AFC East rivals met for a second time in the 2001 season, and again the Pats prevailed behind a high-powered offense. Wideout David Patten was the star, catching, rushing and throwing for a touchdown.
38-34 Patriots - Nov. 30, 2003 at RCA Dome
Brady: 26-of-35, 236 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Manning: 29-of-48, 278 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: This shootout was decided by a defensive stand. With 4th-and-goal at the Pats 1 with less than a minute remaining, the Colts’ Edgerrin James took a handoff and was met immediately by linebacker Willie McGinest, sealing the Pats’ win.
24-14 Patriots - Jan. 18, 2004 at Gillette Stadium (AFC Championship Game)
Brady: 22-of-37, 237 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Manning: 23-of-47, 237 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs
Skinny: The Pats shut down the Colts’ vaunted passing attack with four interceptions, three by cornerback Ty Law.
27-24 Patriots - Sept. 9, 2004 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 26-of-38, 335 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Manning: 16-of-29, 256 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Skinny: The defending champion Patriots opened the season with another solid defensive effort, forcing the Colts into three red-zone turnovers.
20-3 Patriots - Jan. 16, 2005 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 18-of-27, 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Manning: 27-of-42, 238 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: The Pats were dominant on this snowy day, led by Corey Dillon’s hard-charging 144 yards on the ground.
40-21 Colts - Nov. 7, 2005 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 22-of-33, 265 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs
Manning: 28-of-37, 321 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: Manning got his first victory against Brady after six straight losses, burning the Pats for three touchdowns.
27-20 Colts - Nov. 5, 2006 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 20-of-35, 201 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs
Manning: 20-of-36, 326 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: The Colts turned the tables on the Pats by winning with their defense, which caused five turnovers.
38-34 Colts - Jan. 21, 2007 at RCA Dome (AFC Championship Game)
Brady: 21-of-34, 232 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Manning: 27-of-47, 349 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Skinny: The Colts completely exorcised their Patriots demons in this game, overcoming a 21-6 deficit with a second-half outburst, paving the way for Manning’s first Super Bowl.
24-20 Patriots - Nov. 4, 2007 at RC Dome
Brady: 21-of-32, 255 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs
Manning: 16-of-27, 225 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Skinny: The Pats came out on top in this matchup of undefeated teams, thanks to a Brady-led comeback from a 10-point, fourth-quarter deficit
44-13 Patriots - Sept. 30, 2001 at Foxboro Stadium
Brady: 13-of-23, 168 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Manning: 20-of-34, 196 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs
Skinny: Tom Brady’s career as a starter got off to a fast start, as the Patriots crushed the Colts in this Week 3 matchup.
38-17 Patriots - Oct: 21, 2001 at RCA Dome
Brady: 16-of-20, 202 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT
Manning: 22-of-34, 335 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Skinny: The then-AFC East rivals met for a second time in the 2001 season, and again the Pats prevailed behind a high-powered offense. Wideout David Patten was the star, catching, rushing and throwing for a touchdown.
38-34 Patriots - Nov. 30, 2003 at RCA Dome
Brady: 26-of-35, 236 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Manning: 29-of-48, 278 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: This shootout was decided by a defensive stand. With 4th-and-goal at the Pats 1 with less than a minute remaining, the Colts’ Edgerrin James took a handoff and was met immediately by linebacker Willie McGinest, sealing the Pats’ win.
24-14 Patriots - Jan. 18, 2004 at Gillette Stadium (AFC Championship Game)
Brady: 22-of-37, 237 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Manning: 23-of-47, 237 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs
Skinny: The Pats shut down the Colts’ vaunted passing attack with four interceptions, three by cornerback Ty Law.
27-24 Patriots - Sept. 9, 2004 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 26-of-38, 335 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Manning: 16-of-29, 256 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Skinny: The defending champion Patriots opened the season with another solid defensive effort, forcing the Colts into three red-zone turnovers.
20-3 Patriots - Jan. 16, 2005 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 18-of-27, 144 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Manning: 27-of-42, 238 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: The Pats were dominant on this snowy day, led by Corey Dillon’s hard-charging 144 yards on the ground.
40-21 Colts - Nov. 7, 2005 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 22-of-33, 265 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs
Manning: 28-of-37, 321 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: Manning got his first victory against Brady after six straight losses, burning the Pats for three touchdowns.
27-20 Colts - Nov. 5, 2006 at Gillette Stadium
Brady: 20-of-35, 201 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs
Manning: 20-of-36, 326 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT
Skinny: The Colts turned the tables on the Pats by winning with their defense, which caused five turnovers.
38-34 Colts - Jan. 21, 2007 at RCA Dome (AFC Championship Game)
Brady: 21-of-34, 232 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Manning: 27-of-47, 349 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Skinny: The Colts completely exorcised their Patriots demons in this game, overcoming a 21-6 deficit with a second-half outburst, paving the way for Manning’s first Super Bowl.
24-20 Patriots - Nov. 4, 2007 at RC Dome
Brady: 21-of-32, 255 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs
Manning: 16-of-27, 225 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Skinny: The Pats came out on top in this matchup of undefeated teams, thanks to a Brady-led comeback from a 10-point, fourth-quarter deficit
Originally posted by The Highwayman
Peyton > all, sorry bro
All equipment money has been removed, you all can take Manning, I'll just take the Superbowls....
Peyton > all, sorry bro
All equipment money has been removed, you all can take Manning, I'll just take the Superbowls....
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