Warrior General Games

Originally posted by rjssob
Is Ben a product of the Steelers system as well? Hand off, Hand off, pass, punt....Rinse and repeat? I love the run untouched at the QB, why doesn't everyone have that play?

One word... Yes.
Tree words... See Terry Bradshaw.

WRs...
Talent Wise...Meaning if they all could play a season with Tom Brady and the Pats

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Terrell Owens
3. Andre Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Anquan Boldin
7. Reggie Wayne
8. Steve Smith
9. Rody White
10. Vincent Jackson

Originally posted by StiffarmSteve
WRs...

1. Andre Johnson
2. Randy Moss (when he wants to be, he's heads and shoulders above AJ)
3. Anquan Boldin (when healthy, he's gets good yac yards and finds the endzone.
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Reggie Wayne
7. Steve Smith
8. Wes Welker (would be higher if he could go deep...)
9. Greg Jennings
10. Rody White

These are just off the top of my head... Do you guys think I'm close or what?

Like Vegas, I don't know if I would put them in that exact same order, but I think you pretty much have the Top 10 WRs listed. Although, for the most part, you have the best deep threats, which I think we too often rate as the best WRs period.

I can see the argument for T.O. being in the top 10... (He slipped my mind)
But I just can't agree with Vincent Jackson over Greg Jennings or Wes Welker.

So I agree with most the guys Vegas, just not the order of the top 6.

Originally posted by palmer_garnett_95
Like Vegas, I don't know if I would put them in that exact same order, but I think you pretty much have the Top 10 WRs listed. Although, for the most part, you have the best deep threats, which I think we too often rate as the best WRs period.

If T.O. is not in your top 10...well something is wrong....Now I am not talking about being a good teammate...Just on skills

Originally posted by rjssob
So you hate them because they are good at what they do, is that what you are saying? Is Ben a product of the Steelers system as well? Hand off, Hand off, pass, punt....Rinse and repeat? I love the run untouched at the QB, why doesn't everyone have that play? Too bad about Buffalo, I say 4 games before TO acts up and causes that team to go spiraling backwards.

On another note, I wonder if the Patriots would have called for a bootleg in that situation last season for the Bills? You know, game on the line and coach calls for the old bootleg after pounding the ball up the middle!

If you asked me a year ago if Ben Roethlisberger was a product of his system I would have said yes.

His first SB appearance was a joke. That entire year they only had him reading half the field and that was on the rare occassion when they actually threw the ball. They were handing the ball off about 1 billion times a game that season. Then in the SB he actually hurt his team more then he helped it. He was given two tasks....hand the ball off, and don't allow any turnovers. He could only accomplish one of those goals but still squeaked out a win because everyone else around him was so amazing.

This past season that all changed though. He got his ass beat for 16 straight weeks and then still took them to the SB and won it. He is a product of his system but on the same note if you put him somewhere else he would still be a talented QB...just not a SB winning QB.

As for TO I truthfully hope with every ounce of my being that he explodes and royally fucks up the Bills entire organization from top to bottom. Best case scenario he flies off the handle well before week 8 and takes Dick Jauron down with him.

Originally posted by palmer_garnett_95
Like Vegas, I don't know if I would put them in that exact same order, but I think you pretty much have the Top 10 WRs listed. Although, for the most part, you have the best deep threats, which I think we too often rate as the best WRs period.

True, true... I was thinking, scoring and home run plays. When it comes to all around type WR, Andre Johnson's my guy. He caught well over a 100 balls last season from a decent starting QB and an average back up QB.
That guy can just flat out play...

In my view when it comes to WRs it's....

1. Randy Moss trying
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Andre Johnson
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Randy Moss

No one else matters

I don't see how more people don't have Fitz high on their list. He's another WR much like Moss that is ALWAYS wide open. 2 guys, 3 guys, 4 guys, doesn't matter. He's open.....don't believe me? Throw it to him, he'll catch it.

Fitz will definitely catch the ball! Didn't mean any disrespect to him... but I feel Boldin is the big timer on that team. When Boldin and Fitz are in the game, Boldin makes the big plays. Fitz just doesn't have the speed and power... but if you get the ball with in 20 feet of him, he will somehow suck the ball in! Its amazing how he plucks balls out of the air...

The thing that might hurt Fitz is QB play, you have to wonder how long Kurt can keep doing the job. Funny, nobody mentioned Marshall from Denver or Wayne from Indy, tough to crack the top 10 though.

I don't think I've ever seen Fitz catch a ball with his body.

One of the reasons I've always been a bit down on Boldin was my perception that he couldn't get it done when needed.

If you need a TD or a first down, or maybe just a moral boost I'm throwing it to Fitz every single time. Last season was the best example. On a few occassions last year near the goal line they'd throw it to Boldin on first and second down, then when it was time to make sure they got the 7 points on 3rd down a fade to Fitz and it was an automatic TD.

Top nine WRs in no particular order:

Fitz
AJ
Moss
TO
Calvin
Jennings
S Smith
Boldin
Wayne

Originally posted by rjssob
The thing that might hurt Fitz is QB play, you have to wonder how long Kurt can keep doing the job. Funny, nobody mentioned Marshall from Denver or Wayne from Indy, tough to crack the top 10 though.

I had Wayne at #6.
Marshall was a consideration! But I'm still trying to figure out if it was Cutler giving him the chances or if Marshall is that good... Guess we'll see this season.

Yup, I missed that...Wayne is good, but not having Harrison across the field might lead to more double coverage...What's next, best RB's?

Adrian Peterson.....end of discussion