Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Kotoll
Again goldielox25 your talking alot about something you don't know. What I said isn't excuses but facts. And like I said above it doesn't change the fact that MCRG deserved what they got and the win. Take your team for instance. Imagine if you had to play the Knights in the 1st playoff round and you lose. So you expect to not get promoted due to this. You figure 2 teams from your division get promoted and 2 teams from the other. Then the moves are done and you find out four teams didn't get promoted but seven.

This was an even worse case for the Bunnies and something our league has already talked about. Four teams due to playoff advancement should be promoted no matter what. But how do you not promote a team that had the best record in its division and the league?





i agree a method should be put in place to promote the top seed in the regular season no matter what. promotions should be done to both reward performance and to improve league competition by moving the best teams in to a tougher league. i do know what i am talking about, as i followed bbb8 last season, as i knew full well my team was winning the conference title at the very least, and we ended up winning the league itself, so i would have to get to know the best teams in bbb8 to prepare for them in the next season.

if i had to play a team like the knights in the first round it was because something went wrong during the regular season that led me to that, and if i lost i wouldnt have deserved to win. but my team will never lose a playoff game because we didnt have boosting discipline, or because we took a team for granted, as those were mistakes your team made that cost you. im sure you wont repeat them this season, and we will see you up here next season.

I really think each individual league needs to be looked at thoroughly on a team by team basis. It would really avoid these kinds of problems and keep leagues more competitive.

Originally posted by Kotoll
Again goldielox25 your talking alot about something you don't know. What I said isn't excuses but facts. And like I said above it doesn't change the fact that MCRG deserved what they got and the win. Take your team for instance. Imagine if you had to play the Knights in the 1st playoff round and you lose. So you expect to not get promoted due to this. You figure 2 teams from your division get promoted and 2 teams from the other. Then the moves are done and you find out four teams didn't get promoted but seven.

This was an even worse case for the Bunnies and something our league has already talked about. Four teams due to playoff advancement should be promoted no matter what. But how do you not promote a team that had the best record in its division and the league?

Excuses can be facts. Just saying.

As for the league discussions that is just stupid. The rules are very clear, win in the playoffs or go home. I could understand if another 0-1 playoff team had been promoted over you but the fact remains you knew going into the game that to advance you had to win in the playoffs.

Originally posted by dook1e
Okay Ohdumbass, add something to the discussion or GTFO.

ah comeon now, im having fun getting minter all fired up, i cant help it.

you call this a discussion? lets boil this entire thread down to a few statements

Kotoll: we were too dumb to get promoted last season so i want to challenge the best of A4, to make myself feel better.
General A4 posters: you are dumb you are gonna get smoked quit wasting all of A4's time with your shanagains
Minter: hey I am an internet toughguy from BBB, that also has no buisness being here ill join in! oh crap im getting trolled, must get angry!
Kotoll: need to make excuses to justify why we are still in BBB
Goldie and MC: calling out Kotoll for his lame excuses.

there ya go thats this entire thread boiled down

When i see this much fail in a thread i just cant help lower the bar on the already pathetic level this thread started at.

I really don't think he knew that. Even after the loss, I got a GG PM but he still thought he would be promoted.

Originally posted by dook1e
I really think each individual league needs to be looked at thoroughly on a team by team basis. It would really avoid these kinds of problems and keep leagues more competitive.

yea but on the same token, at least right now we know exactly the criteria needed to get promoted, it wouldnt be fair to have some kind of selector choose a team based on factors you cant control. say there are 2 15-1 teams who lost to teams from the other conference in week 1, and lose in round 2 of the playoffs. right now with current tiebreakers, each team can know where they stand in regard to promotions, and know which one will get promoted if only one gets promoted. if you bring in an outside selector, they wont know, which could lead to more problems. the current system works fine imo, but could be tweaked a bit to make playoff seed of #1 be the 1st tiebreaker for promotions.

i.e.:

1st tiebreaker currently: playoff wins
2nd tiebreaker currently: playoff games participated in

so the team that makes it to the conference championship game will always be promoted ahead of the team who lost in the 2nd round. if that was modified a bit though, to where it looked like this:

1st tiebreaker: #1 seed in playoffs
2nd tiebreaker: playoff wins
3rd tiebreaker: playoff games participated in

that way it would promote the conference champions, and then would promote the #1 seeds if they werent conference champions, then promote the conference playoff runner ups, then the 2nd round losers.

that would be a more fair way of promotion imo, generally a #1 seed is one of the last two teams in the playoffs anyways so it wont change the promotions in too many cases, but in those that it did it would still ensure that a team that competitively shouldnt be kept down was promoted.

Originally posted by ohdis
Originally posted by dook1e

Okay Ohdumbass, add something to the discussion or GTFO.

ah comeon now, im having fun getting minter all fired up, i cant help it.

you call this a discussion? lets boil this entire thread down to a few statements

Kotoll: we were too dumb to get promoted last season so i want to challenge the best of A4, to make myself feel better.
General A4 posters: you are dumb you are gonna get smoked quit wasting all of A4's time with your shanagains
Minter: hey I am an internet toughguy from BBB, that also has no buisness being here ill join in! oh crap im getting trolled, must get angry!
Kotoll: need to make excuses to justify why we are still in BBB
Goldie and MC: calling out Kotoll for his lame excuses.

there ya go thats this entire thread boiled down

When i see this much fail in a thread i just cant help lower the bar on the already pathetic level this thread started at.

Thats what the fuck Im talking about!

Originally posted by dook1e
I really think each individual league needs to be looked at thoroughly on a team by team basis. It would really avoid these kinds of problems and keep leagues more competitive.

yeah but who has time to do that and when do you stop. With the hundreds of teams this could take weeks.

Many teams do not stop recruiting until halfway through the season. A team that is weak on day -4 can be considerably different then the team on Day 4. Just no way to compare.

However this is a huge issue for this game. I don't think you should be seeing level 50 players in a single 'A' league. It ruins the game for everyone including the level 50 player. I have seen teams move from "AAA" to "A" just so they could win.

I help a little league and this honestly just seems like throwing together some Major teams (11-12) and letting them play some rookie (7-8) team. Is it really shocking that both teams are bored. One team will never win and the other team never really cares. More importantly this system really rewards the winners with higher ticket prices and playoff money and punishes the loser meaning that the gap between these teams increases every year.

You want to fix the competitiveness then make playing out of your level a huge experience decrease. If you have 50's playing in single 'A' then they don't get XP or VP. They don't learn by beating up kids. I am willing to bet you will see the number of guys playing down. Option 2 would be rate the ticket prices based on the level. Make it so low level teams just can't afford the high level players.

i still think this is a huge unresolved issue that hurts this game more than anything else.

damnit leave it to goldie, to create constructive discussions...
BASTARD!

i believe if you play outside of suggested levels more than a level or two (you shouldnt be penalized much necessarily if you join a team when youre under the cap and then boost past it imo), then you should definitely see a visible fame, vxp, and exp loss. that should apply on the low end too, so if teams in say an aaa league want to restart as level 1s, they would be forced to go down to the lowest tier if they wanted to maintain normal exp gain for their players, so they wouldnt stay in aaa for the extra ticket prices and for their egos.

and sorry ohdis, this is how i roll.

Lol im not getting angry, I could care less what you think because you dont know what your talking about. Im not an internet tough guy either. I just get annoyed when idiots like you run your mouth.

When MCRG talks shit, atleast they have facts to back it up, and for as annoying as it is they generally make great points. You ohdis dont. Just like I read earlier but never posted everyone thought they were gonna beat MCRG by 100, all you idiots ran your mouths out of anger, yet know one has done it? So dont be a hypocrite with this internet tough guy thing.

Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by dook1e

I really think each individual league needs to be looked at thoroughly on a team by team basis. It would really avoid these kinds of problems and keep leagues more competitive.

yeah but who has time to do that and when do you stop. With the hundreds of teams this could take weeks.

Many teams do not stop recruiting until halfway through the season. A team that is weak on day -4 can be considerably different then the team on Day 4. Just no way to compare.

However this is a huge issue for this game. I don't think you should be seeing level 50 players in a single 'A' league. It ruins the game for everyone including the level 50 player. I have seen teams move from "AAA" to "A" just so they could win.

I help a little league and this honestly just seems like throwing together some Major teams (11-12) and letting them play some rookie (7-8) team. Is it really shocking that both teams are bored. One team will never win and the other team never really cares. More importantly this system really rewards the winners with higher ticket prices and playoff money and punishes the loser meaning that the gap between these teams increases every year.

You want to fix the competitiveness then make playing out of your level a huge experience decrease. If you have 50's playing in single 'A' then they don't get XP or VP. They don't learn by beating up kids. I am willing to bet you will see the number of guys playing down. Option 2 would be rate the ticket prices based on the level. Make it so low level teams just can't afford the high level players.

i still think this is a huge unresolved issue that hurts this game more than anything else.

yeah i agree with what you are saying there and i also hate when they promote first year teams into uncapped leagues. because a bunch of lvl 20 guys cant compete with lvl 30-35 guys and the only way to stay competitive is to overhaul your entire team. I really think they should wait for at least 2 seasons after they create a new league before promoting anyone.

sa bbb i think is much better for the fact that there will be no promotions this season. the top teams in sa bbb will probably be full of players lvl 28-29 after boosting next season, when they get promoted into the sa a leagues, and should be able to hang right away keeping their rosters together. also it will allow more cpu teams to build up over the 2nd season, meaning pretty much that 8-12 teams from each current populated sa bbb league will be promoted, and all of them should have no problem by then with making the transition.

Originally posted by MINTER SHOW!
Lol im not getting angry, I could care less what you think because you dont know what your talking about. Im not an internet tough guy either. I just get annoyed when idiots like you run your mouth.

When MCRG talks shit, atleast they have facts to back it up, and for as annoying as it is they generally make great points. You ohdis dont. Just like I read earlier but never posted everyone thought they were gonna beat MCRG by 100, all you idiots ran your mouths out of anger, yet know one has done it? So dont be a hypocrite with this internet tough guy thing.

wow, are you really that bored that you spend your time reading other league's forums? or should the MCRG guys be flattered to have their very own fanboy?

if you werent getting angry why would you resort to name calling? why would you even respond to me in the first place? You know what your problem is? its that you need to get the last word in, and that is why you continue to respond to my blatant provocations, and that is why you will respond to this. Because you cant help yourself, you need to add your 2 cents to conversations that really have nothing to do with you, which is how this whole thing started.

I look foward to your response, even tho the best response you could ever make would be none at all.

Good day sir

Originally posted by goldielax25
sa bbb i think is much better for the fact that there will be no promotions this season. the top teams in sa bbb will probably be full of players lvl 28-29 after boosting next season, when they get promoted into the sa a leagues, and should be able to hang right away keeping their rosters together. also it will allow more cpu teams to build up over the 2nd season, meaning pretty much that 8-12 teams from each current populated sa bbb league will be promoted, and all of them should have no problem by then with making the transition.

they are actually doing that? nice, yeah that will be much better for those teams, it is pretty disheartening to go from being the best team in the league one year, and with the same roster, become one of the worst.