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"They work for us because they have no choice" --- so they are slaves?

-- of course not, they have decided that your employment offer is better than other alternatives. they are free to pursue whatever opportunity they desire. and today--- they are free to keep whatever they earn (atleast they get to keep 60%). that is the key

Originally posted by Quadri Space
"They work for us because they have no choice" --- so they are slaves?

-- of course not, they have decided that your employment offer is better than other alternatives. they are free to pursue whatever opportunity they desire. and today--- they are free to keep whatever they earn (atleast they get to keep 60%). that is the key


No, they work for minimum wage, which is what almost everywhere pays. They are as good as slaves.

Again, what is it you do and what's your economic background?

Originally posted by PjSanford
Originally posted by Quadri Space

"They work for us because they have no choice" --- so they are slaves?

-- of course not, they have decided that your employment offer is better than other alternatives. they are free to pursue whatever opportunity they desire. and today--- they are free to keep whatever they earn (atleast they get to keep 60%). that is the key


No, they work for minimum wage, which is what almost everywhere pays. They are as good as slaves.

Again, what is it you do and what's your economic background?

what skill do they have that makes them expect to earn more than minimum wage at your firm? why not choose to be a waiter, they make much more than minimum wage?

Originally posted by Quadri Space
Originally posted by PjSanford

Originally posted by Quadri Space


"They work for us because they have no choice" --- so they are slaves?

-- of course not, they have decided that your employment offer is better than other alternatives. they are free to pursue whatever opportunity they desire. and today--- they are free to keep whatever they earn (atleast they get to keep 60%). that is the key


No, they work for minimum wage, which is what almost everywhere pays. They are as good as slaves.

Again, what is it you do and what's your economic background?

what skill do they have that makes them expect to earn more than minimum wage at your firm? why not choose to be a waiter, they make much more than minimum wage?

Why do you refuse to answer?

We claim we in-house promote, so they think they'll one day get a promotion, a lot of them are hoping they can get their Law Degree online or work for us Part-Time and hope we'll employ them at a later stage. None of which is true. We in house promote 1 person a year. We don't take people unless they are Top 5 Unis in the UK (all of which these people couldn't afford to get in.) Etcetera.

Honestly, the rich exploit the poor. (I'm not talking the guy who makes £100,000 a year, I'm talking people I grew up with, the kids who are worth 10million+.)

If you honestly think, being taxed 30% or 40% hurts someone when they make 1million+ a year, you really need to re-think things. The vast majority of these rich people, already abuse the system, send money (their pay) to countries and CANNOT be taxed upon it unless they bring it back into the country. They then just retire outside the UK, USA, etcetera.

Or even better, they lower the salery, then get a massive pension bonus which cannot be taxed.

The rich often screw over the rest of society, the sooner you realise this the better.

We claim we in-house promote, so they think they'll one day get a promotion, a lot of them are hoping they can get their Law Degree online or work for us Part-Time and hope we'll employ them at a later stage. None of which is true. We in house promote 1 person a year. We don't take people unless they are Top 5 Unis in the UK (all of which these people couldn't afford to get in.) Etcetera.

Damn, it sounds like you guys are a bunch of lying crooks! Is it just me?

Originally posted by PjSanford
Originally posted by Quadri Space

"They work for us because they have no choice" --- so they are slaves?

-- of course not, they have decided that your employment offer is better than other alternatives. they are free to pursue whatever opportunity they desire. and today--- they are free to keep whatever they earn (atleast they get to keep 60%). that is the key


No, they work for minimum wage, which is what almost everywhere pays. They are as good as slaves.

Again, what is it you do and what's your economic background?

I'm an Economist

I'm a politician. I make a bazillion dollars a year uber-taxing my bonehead populace by creating victims out of the poor. it works great I pretend to support them then I fricking leave them on the streets begging me to steal more money from the "rich". this job kicks ass

Originally posted by PjSanford
Originally posted by B3I3R

Originally posted by PjSanford


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In fact, I am happy to loose 50% of my income to help others out. Society survives because of its weakest members not its strongest.

Who we are born into has NOTHING TO DO WITH US but everything to do with how lucky we are.

Until we change society, so that EVERYONE has an equal chance to get to the top and we accept Meritocracy, we need to tax the rich more and help those lower down the social ladder, otherwise we have to accept things like crime, social disorder, etcetera, will increase and will get worse.


We will go in order, each # is correlated to your respective blurbs above.

1) How the hell does society survive via it's weakest members? Do weak members create jobs or generate capital? Last I checked "weak" members are bottom feeders and yes that is going as far as those on wealth fare, etc.

2) How lucky we are? What are you talking about? Have you ever heard of entrepreneurial people - I assume that you're saying "rich/wealthy" people are simply lucky? So for example - BORT, he is lucky to be in his situation because he created this addictive game and has made plenty of cash from it?

3) Everyone has an equal chance. Last time I checked, or at least in the states anyone can go to college as long as they meet requirement, everyone can breathe, some may need loans to do it and some may not live at such high of standards to get through college but they have the oppurtunity to succeed. It's all about personal choices and you don't even have to go to college to be successful but one's path in life totally comes down to choices he or she makes.

If Mike wants to drop out of college - where is he going to go work at? McDonalds? Most likely yes, do you really see college educated person working at McDonalds flipping burgers, didn't think so. Essentially your term of meritocracy is irrelevant...not every citizen in the world can live in the highest of classes and thus these classes are defined by the choices you make and the family you were born into. As far as the drug addicted person you know or know of - simply sad, but so true that she will live off of her parents for her entire life...


You need to do a bit of research on Social Mobility. Just because EVERYONE CAN doesn't mean some people don't get a much easier ride.

You have two people:
Person A: Working Class, has to work outside of High School, College, etcetera, so he can earn his degree. He averages a 14hour day because of this.
Person B: Family are rich, pay for him to go to School, he only has to go to class. He can thus spend more time focused on his studies.



False you do not have TWO PEOPLE you have at least THREE. You must be forgetting Free Loaders, the unemployed...gotta love those checks in the mail for sitting at home on your ass. Oh wait, how about Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid...'

The only thing you know the difference between is people who a large sum of cash/assets/capital and those that do not have as much. Proceeding to call them salves is simply halerious as it is obvious you are looking at things from the wrong angle. Apparently as you call them salves you still want to help them by giving them X - percentage of your pay check. You would think that you wouldn't call them SALVES if you felt this way. I don't care where you work or who you are but you are slightly clueless as to what you're talking about.

Checkmate.

Originally posted by B3I3R
Originally posted by PjSanford

Originally posted by B3I3R


Originally posted by PjSanford



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In fact, I am happy to loose 50% of my income to help others out. Society survives because of its weakest members not its strongest.

Who we are born into has NOTHING TO DO WITH US but everything to do with how lucky we are.

Until we change society, so that EVERYONE has an equal chance to get to the top and we accept Meritocracy, we need to tax the rich more and help those lower down the social ladder, otherwise we have to accept things like crime, social disorder, etcetera, will increase and will get worse.


We will go in order, each # is correlated to your respective blurbs above.

1) How the hell does society survive via it's weakest members? Do weak members create jobs or generate capital? Last I checked "weak" members are bottom feeders and yes that is going as far as those on wealth fare, etc.

2) How lucky we are? What are you talking about? Have you ever heard of entrepreneurial people - I assume that you're saying "rich/wealthy" people are simply lucky? So for example - BORT, he is lucky to be in his situation because he created this addictive game and has made plenty of cash from it?

3) Everyone has an equal chance. Last time I checked, or at least in the states anyone can go to college as long as they meet requirement, everyone can breathe, some may need loans to do it and some may not live at such high of standards to get through college but they have the oppurtunity to succeed. It's all about personal choices and you don't even have to go to college to be successful but one's path in life totally comes down to choices he or she makes.

If Mike wants to drop out of college - where is he going to go work at? McDonalds? Most likely yes, do you really see college educated person working at McDonalds flipping burgers, didn't think so. Essentially your term of meritocracy is irrelevant...not every citizen in the world can live in the highest of classes and thus these classes are defined by the choices you make and the family you were born into. As far as the drug addicted person you know or know of - simply sad, but so true that she will live off of her parents for her entire life...


You need to do a bit of research on Social Mobility. Just because EVERYONE CAN doesn't mean some people don't get a much easier ride.

You have two people:
Person A: Working Class, has to work outside of High School, College, etcetera, so he can earn his degree. He averages a 14hour day because of this.
Person B: Family are rich, pay for him to go to School, he only has to go to class. He can thus spend more time focused on his studies.



False you do not have TWO PEOPLE you have at least THREE. You must be forgetting Free Loaders, the unemployed...gotta love those checks in the mail for sitting at home on your ass. Oh wait, how about Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid...'

The only thing you know the difference between is people who a large sum of cash/assets/capital and those that do not have as much. Proceeding to call them salves is simply halerious as it is obvious you are looking at things from the wrong angle. Apparently as you call them salves you still want to help them by giving them X - percentage of your pay check. You would think that you wouldn't call them SALVES if you felt this way. I don't care where you work or who you are but you are slightly clueless as to what you're talking about.


Nope, you are full of shit.

You are talking about the Social Underclass, not once have we brought those into the discussion, we can if you'd like? We were clearly talking about those who are taxed.

Also, I call them slaves because that is exactly what they are. We give them enough money to:
Have a roof over their heads.
Eat.

What else are they?

Originally posted by Quadri Space
We claim we in-house promote, so they think they'll one day get a promotion, a lot of them are hoping they can get their Law Degree online or work for us Part-Time and hope we'll employ them at a later stage. None of which is true. We in house promote 1 person a year. We don't take people unless they are Top 5 Unis in the UK (all of which these people couldn't afford to get in.) Etcetera.

Damn, it sounds like you guys are a bunch of lying crooks! Is it just me?

Well done, we are, almost every legal firm is, almost every major company is.

Maybe the lawyers are the problem?!? I'm just saying...

"We give them enough money to:" -- - We don't give them money, they earn it (and good for them). They contribute, they get paid. It's pretty simple. What are you missing?

Originally posted by Quadri Space
"We give them enough money to:" -- - We don't give them money, they earn it (and good for them). They contribute, they get paid. It's pretty simple. What are you missing?

No, we give it them. Just like they do factory workers. The whole idea that the is any Social Mobility is a joke, it's a fairly well known fact Social Mobility during the 1990's and 2000's is no where near what it was during the 1950's.

Originally posted by PjSanford

Nope, you are full of shit.

You are talking about the Social Underclass, not once have we brought those into the discussion, we can if you'd like? We were clearly talking about those who are taxed.

Also, I call them slaves because that is exactly what they are. We give them enough money to:
Have a roof over their heads.
Eat.

What else are they?

What am I full of shit about?

What kind of taxes are we talking about? I'm sure that when some Clownshoe's malone walks into a store and busts out his food stamps and purchases an item other than straight food he or she pays taxes, right? Or do your salves get permission to avoid the taxation on any and all goods because...well they need a break too.

You can't say we have enough money to have a roof over their heads, people make decisions to do what they do. Hell one of your salves could easily cut your arm off for ONE MILLION USD and guess what, he wouldn't be your slave anymore would he? But then again, I forgot only the "LUCKY" people can be prosperous...

Also I'm thinking if they are your slaves, do you tell them what to do, bend them over and punish them? Essentially with human rights in question - I thought slavery ended a long time ago did it not? Your vocabulary is lacking and this conversation would be much more legitimate if you had a new term other than "slave"