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As far as I'm concerned, the all pro team needs 2 corners anyways. So I'd have to say Flavor Flav and Sticky Ricky.

Agree

bare with me, this is kinda long.

alright, im gonna give this a shot here... my math might be off, hell... this whole equation might be wrong, but it made sense to me. (keep in mind, tackles might be for run support, you might have tackled someone else you didn't even guard... but also keep in mind, everyone else might have too, so these are all rough numbers to get a general idea.)

Tackles + Pass def + Int = 'attempts' on your guy
Pass Def + Int = stops
Stops / Attempts = % of passes you stopped gone your way

Flav
79 + 32 + 7 = 118 attempts
32 + 7 = 39 stops
39 / 118 = 33% plays stopped gone his way

Franklin Art
12 + 4 + 3 = 19 attempts
4 + 3 = 7 stops
7 / 19 = 37% plays stopped gone his way

based off that, I'm gonna say Franklin is your true play maker. lets go further shall we?

Sticky Ricky
74 + 44 + 7 = 125 attempts
44 + 7 = 51 stops
51 / 125 = 40% plays stopped gone his way. thats pretty good.

Mike Lorenzo
14 + 11 + 2 = 27 attempts
11 + 2 = 13 stops
13 / 27 = 48% of the plays gone my way have been stopped.

i just did that math for the CB's i saw named here, I'm not gonna go threw the entire league and do that, if you feel you belong in the discussion go ahead and see how you compare. But I'm a firm believer in the fact that a CB is very hard to rank simply by stats. so that equation, IMO, should help show the play makers of the bunch.

Originally posted by justin5745
bare with me, this is kinda long.
Tackles + Pass def + Int = 'attempts' on your guy
Pass Def + Int = stops
Stops / Attempts = % of passes you stopped gone your way

Flav
79 + 32 + 7 = 118 attempts
32 + 7 = 39 stops
39 / 118 = 33% plays stopped gone his way

Franklin Art
12 + 4 + 3 = 19 attempts
4 + 3 = 7 stops
7 / 19 = 37% plays stopped gone his way

Sticky Ricky
74 + 44 + 7 = 125 attempts
44 + 7 = 51 stops
51 / 125 = 40% plays stopped gone his way. thats pretty good.

Mike Lorenzo
14 + 11 + 2 = 27 attempts
11 + 2 = 13 stops
13 / 27 = 48% of the plays gone my way have been stopped.
This is an interesting statistic. I'm not sure how useful it is, but maybe it's a start. Does anyone know any statistics used in real football to measure CB performance?

I can say conclusively, though, that Art and Lorenzo both suffer from too small of a sample size to really be of use. For example, if only one of Art's INTs was changed to a tackle, he'd be down under 32%. Give Lorenzo another 5 tackles and he is worse than Ricky (though only by .2%). On the other hand, a small sample size means not being a target, which is good--but on the other other hand, it could also just mean that you're a backup, or the other CB on your team sucks. Or that you've been lucky enough to have QBs set the WR you don't cover as their favorite every game.

Another problem with this statistic is that it actively punishes CBs for having tackles, and does not adequately reward them for INTs. As you mention, tackles can occur in a variety of situations other than your man catching a pass, and thus shouldn't be considered an entirely bad thing. I don't believe I need to say why it's especially good to get INTs.

Also, for the homer portion of this post: Sticky Ricky has a TD. (Against the Super Bears, heh.)

Originally posted by justin5745
bare with me, this is kinda long.

alright, im gonna give this a shot here... my math might be off, hell... this whole equation might be wrong, but it made sense to me. (keep in mind, tackles might be for run support, you might have tackled someone else you didn't even guard... but also keep in mind, everyone else might have too, so these are all rough numbers to get a general idea.)

Tackles + Pass def + Int = 'attempts' on your guy
Pass Def + Int = stops
Stops / Attempts = % of passes you stopped gone your way

Flav
79 + 32 + 7 = 118 attempts
32 + 7 = 39 stops
39 / 118 = 33% plays stopped gone his way

Franklin Art
12 + 4 + 3 = 19 attempts
4 + 3 = 7 stops
7 / 19 = 37% plays stopped gone his way

based off that, I'm gonna say Franklin is your true play maker. lets go further shall we?

Sticky Ricky
74 + 44 + 7 = 125 attempts
44 + 7 = 51 stops
51 / 125 = 40% plays stopped gone his way. thats pretty good.

Mike Lorenzo
14 + 11 + 2 = 27 attempts
11 + 2 = 13 stops
13 / 27 = 48% of the plays gone my way have been stopped.

i just did that math for the CB's i saw named here, I'm not gonna go threw the entire league and do that, if you feel you belong in the discussion go ahead and see how you compare. But I'm a firm believer in the fact that a CB is very hard to rank simply by stats. so that equation, IMO, should help show the play makers of the bunch.

ESPN3 Tillman should definately be looked at here.

I think ESPN3 Tillman and Sticky Ricky are the two best corners in the league....

Sticky (my guy... yea I'm a homer).... gives up tons of receptions for some reason... but I'll be honest.... Check the games, they are all for 5 or 6 yards, not big gains.... He also leads the league in PD, so even tho they are picking on him for some reason, it doesn't pay off. Also, he has 2 FF and a ton of yards on INT returns.

I get that for some reason, he doesn't cut off half of the field..... to be honest, Minx and Jubs (his other corners) do for some reason.... that being said, Sticky Ricky straight up makes plays every game.

We can go through the play by play, but honestly, I don't think I have given up a touchdown.

There may be CB better than Sticky and I understand that.... I just felt it necessary to state my case.

Originally posted by Mornacale

This is an interesting statistic. I'm not sure how useful it is, but maybe it's a start. Does anyone know any statistics used in real football to measure CB performance?

I can say conclusively, though, that Art and Lorenzo both suffer from too small of a sample size to really be of use. For example, if only one of Art's INTs was changed to a tackle, he'd be down under 32%. Give Lorenzo another 5 tackles and he is worse than Ricky (though only by .2%). On the other hand, a small sample size means not being a target, which is good--but on the other other hand, it could also just mean that you're a backup, or the other CB on your team sucks. Or that you've been lucky enough to have QBs set the WR you don't cover as their favorite every game.

Another problem with this statistic is that it actively punishes CBs for having tackles, and does not adequately reward them for INTs. As you mention, tackles can occur in a variety of situations other than your man catching a pass, and thus shouldn't be considered an entirely bad thing. I don't believe I need to say why it's especially good to get INTs.

Also, for the homer portion of this post: Sticky Ricky has a TD. (Against the Super Bears, heh.)

Yea, i guess its a start, like i said, its really rough. As for the small sample size, IMO its a good thing, doing what a CB is supposed to do.. shut down their side. you have to take that into consideration. also i wouldn't give any CB that isn't a starter consideration for the All Pro team. so those i did the stat for were all second or 1st stringers.
and yes, tackles (which essentially is a good thing) does punish a CB, but thats the only way to establish an estimation of passes completed against him. and yes, they could come off run support or just someone you weren't covering, but every CB goes threw that so i think its pretty fair.

as for Tillman...
51 + 48 + 6 = 105 attempts
48 + 6 = 54 stops
54 / 105 = 51% of passes against him have been stopped.

Originally posted by Tishi
The D-Line race has tightened. I have to give my vote for Patterson from the Inmates as he is on a roll as a sacking machine.

Of course he is a player of my team's owner, so I am biased.


I can't wait until I boost!

Nice game yesterday McLovin!

Four for Papeete Bulldogs.

QB-Captain Comeback #10 is in the top 5 in most QB categories and has played the most plays of anyone in the league.

Offensive Lineman Chubbs Macgee Has 89 Pancakes
Offensive Lineman Dieter Thomas Heck has 87 Pancakes

CB Jeremy Bush has 20 PD's, 5 ints, and no missed tackles.

Originally posted by deasterling32
Four for Papeete Bulldogs.

QB-Captain Comeback #10 is in the top 5 in most QB categories and has played the most plays of anyone in the league.

Offensive Lineman Chubbs Macgee Has 89 Pancakes
Offensive Lineman Dieter Thomas Heck has 87 Pancakes

CB Jeremy Bush has 20 PD's, 5 ints, and no missed tackles.

Hate to hijack a thread but I do need to add that if we are doing owner of the year my vote goes to Papeete's. Honestly it would not matter if someone goes 16-0. Papeete was a complete joke last year getting destroyed like a JV team and now they are right in the thick of the playoff race. Very good job.

Originally posted by stpgood

Hate to hijack a thread but I do need to add that if we are doing owner of the year my vote goes to Papeete's. Honestly it would not matter if someone goes 16-0. Papeete was a complete joke last year getting destroyed like a JV team and now they are right in the thick of the playoff race. Very good job.


Hate to toot my own horn, but Samoa was pretty much a joke last year too. Though I couldn't take nearly all the credit myself, since a lot of it goes to my GM and OC/DC.

Though I definitely have to say Papeete has done great this year also.

Originally posted by justin5745
Originally posted by Mornacale


This is an interesting statistic. I'm not sure how useful it is, but maybe it's a start. Does anyone know any statistics used in real football to measure CB performance?

I can say conclusively, though, that Art and Lorenzo both suffer from too small of a sample size to really be of use. For example, if only one of Art's INTs was changed to a tackle, he'd be down under 32%. Give Lorenzo another 5 tackles and he is worse than Ricky (though only by .2%). On the other hand, a small sample size means not being a target, which is good--but on the other other hand, it could also just mean that you're a backup, or the other CB on your team sucks. Or that you've been lucky enough to have QBs set the WR you don't cover as their favorite every game.

Another problem with this statistic is that it actively punishes CBs for having tackles, and does not adequately reward them for INTs. As you mention, tackles can occur in a variety of situations other than your man catching a pass, and thus shouldn't be considered an entirely bad thing. I don't believe I need to say why it's especially good to get INTs.

Also, for the homer portion of this post: Sticky Ricky has a TD. (Against the Super Bears, heh.)

Yea, i guess its a start, like i said, its really rough. As for the small sample size, IMO its a good thing, doing what a CB is supposed to do.. shut down their side. you have to take that into consideration. also i wouldn't give any CB that isn't a starter consideration for the All Pro team. so those i did the stat for were all second or 1st stringers.
and yes, tackles (which essentially is a good thing) does punish a CB, but thats the only way to establish an estimation of passes completed against him. and yes, they could come off run support or just someone you weren't covering, but every CB goes threw that so i think its pretty fair.

as for Tillman...
51 + 48 + 6 = 105 attempts
48 + 6 = 54 stops
54 / 105 = 51% of passes against him have been stopped.



what if a corner gets most of his tackles on special teams.

as far as im concerned, i'd rather have the guy that can create 10 turnovers and play good coverage than a guy who has caused little turnovers and played great coverage. Turnovers have won us many games.

Originally posted by MrMoose
Originally posted by stpgood


Hate to hijack a thread but I do need to add that if we are doing owner of the year my vote goes to Papeete's. Honestly it would not matter if someone goes 16-0. Papeete was a complete joke last year getting destroyed like a JV team and now they are right in the thick of the playoff race. Very good job.


Hate to toot my own horn, but Samoa was pretty much a joke last year too. Though I couldn't take nearly all the credit myself, since a lot of it goes to my GM and OC/DC.

Though I definitely have to say Papeete has done great this year also.

wow there is no way to really rank this for myself right now, but I think the coach/teams of the year would have to include a list of:

Papeete
Northbrook
Orlando
Samoa
Aussie
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