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Originally posted by haymondjunior
Bill- how does confusing having more quality teams (competitive teams) with having a better conference, confuse you? Now Im confused. I believe logic would dictate that if at some point a conference has to fill playoff spots with gutted teams that it would be hard to argue the better conference. LC last season had a 4 way tie to settle the last 3 playoff spots, yet the EC had a team give up mid season, gut their team, and yet still cruise in as an 8th seed into your playoffs giving the #1 team a first round bye. I understand your loyalty to your conference but I am not injecting bias into my statements, I am trying to justify with facts and statistics.

Also, beating a team week one is not a very good barometer of the team we had to beat week 14 or 15 whatever it was. They had several upgrades by that time at key positions. Your team is the one legit opponent I mentioned above and the reason that made you legit was you had the best defense in the entire league last season hands down. So its no wonder to me why you were able to limit their lvl 44 TE, you had the personnel to do just that. You were like the Baltimore Ravens of recent years past, if a team scored more than 17 points on you, your offense struggled to keep you in the game. We were the opposite with the personnel we had we were using double teams of lvl34 LOLB and a lvl41 run stuffing SS to try to contain that speed. Its a mismatch any way you look at it, as our FS was lvl 32 so that wasnt an option.

What was bland and predictable was our ability to put up the most points scored on them all season, what I am trying to take credit for is making the closest game they played all season. Both points are prideful considering the EC as a whole couldnt accomplish those feats. Since noone beat them all season long, you have to take solace in the few battles you win even if you lose the war.

As for the scrimmage, we do take them seriously and we havent lost many of those either. However, we dont show our "A" game nor our "A" AI either. So, if we win we win and if we lose either way our opponents come regular season time have nothing to scout. Best of luck to you, and I am curious to see how we fair against a tough "Raven's-like" defense using an experimental setup. This allows us to maybe throw another setup into the kitty to draw from later on if needed.


Your first paragraph makes two good points. That first game was week 1 and was a 1 pt victory, so take that for what it is worth. However, Happy Hour was a good team that quit right after we housed them. And if I remember correctly, we housed them because we got some to's early and the rest of the game was a moral beat down, I think they made a terrible decision and I still don't understand it.

However, if competitive = quality, the ACC was the best football conference last season.

Regardless, while our conference has victories, it wasn't like E'ci and MaRAWK!!o went out and just trounced everybody in lion conference. In my opinion, there were 5 good teams in our league last season, 3 Lion, 2 Elephant.

I still think we got unlucky twice against E'ci last season. Our RB had one fumble all season and it was in the first quarter of the E'ci game, which they returned for a TD and then they figured out our secret 3rd and short play (ram it up the middle). In the first game we threw half of the interceptions we threw all season and put together the best AI I have ever seen on defense (we changed the blitz package and accidently left the TE open on 3 wide formations). But regardless of what I think, they beat the crap out of us twice.

And let the record reflect: scrimmages are totally either test or goofing games, so if you win, you should definitely run your mouth because it doesn't mean anything.

Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.
 
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Originally posted by
Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.


Punting a lot when you aren't giving up Defensive TD's against E'ci.
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We should definitely discuss the C85 win in the playoffs more often with Bill
 
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Originally posted by Tareton
We should definitely discuss the C85 win in the playoffs more often with Bill


The C85s are definitely a legitimate rival.

The Peckers are nothing but a mouthy speed bump that provided a little entertainment in the offseason.
 
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Originally posted by zurin
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Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.


Punting a lot when you aren't giving up Defensive TD's against E'ci.


LOL. Ouch, but I LOL'ed. 2 points for your side.
 
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Originally posted by Tareton
We should definitely discuss the C85 win in the playoffs more often with Bill


I'm Bill. He's Wes. The way you can tell us apart is that he wishes he was me. I wish he would move out of my neighborhood.
 
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Originally posted by BillSaidSux
Originally posted by haymondjunior

Bill- how does confusing having more quality teams (competitive teams) with having a better conference, confuse you? Now Im confused. I believe logic would dictate that if at some point a conference has to fill playoff spots with gutted teams that it would be hard to argue the better conference. LC last season had a 4 way tie to settle the last 3 playoff spots, yet the EC had a team give up mid season, gut their team, and yet still cruise in as an 8th seed into your playoffs giving the #1 team a first round bye. I understand your loyalty to your conference but I am not injecting bias into my statements, I am trying to justify with facts and statistics.

Also, beating a team week one is not a very good barometer of the team we had to beat week 14 or 15 whatever it was. They had several upgrades by that time at key positions. Your team is the one legit opponent I mentioned above and the reason that made you legit was you had the best defense in the entire league last season hands down. So its no wonder to me why you were able to limit their lvl 44 TE, you had the personnel to do just that. You were like the Baltimore Ravens of recent years past, if a team scored more than 17 points on you, your offense struggled to keep you in the game. We were the opposite with the personnel we had we were using double teams of lvl34 LOLB and a lvl41 run stuffing SS to try to contain that speed. Its a mismatch any way you look at it, as our FS was lvl 32 so that wasnt an option.

What was bland and predictable was our ability to put up the most points scored on them all season, what I am trying to take credit for is making the closest game they played all season. Both points are prideful considering the EC as a whole couldnt accomplish those feats. Since noone beat them all season long, you have to take solace in the few battles you win even if you lose the war.

As for the scrimmage, we do take them seriously and we havent lost many of those either. However, we dont show our "A" game nor our "A" AI either. So, if we win we win and if we lose either way our opponents come regular season time have nothing to scout. Best of luck to you, and I am curious to see how we fair against a tough "Raven's-like" defense using an experimental setup. This allows us to maybe throw another setup into the kitty to draw from later on if needed.


Your first paragraph makes two good points. That first game was week 1 and was a 1 pt victory, so take that for what it is worth. However, Happy Hour was a good team that quit right after we housed them. And if I remember correctly, we housed them because we got some to's early and the rest of the game was a moral beat down, I think they made a terrible decision and I still don't understand it.

However, if competitive = quality, the ACC was the best football conference last season.

Regardless, while our conference has victories, it wasn't like E'ci and MaRAWK!!o went out and just trounced everybody in lion conference. In my opinion, there were 5 good teams in our league last season, 3 Lion, 2 Elephant.

I still think we got unlucky twice against E'ci last season. Our RB had one fumble all season and it was in the first quarter of the E'ci game, which they returned for a TD and then they figured out our secret 3rd and short play (ram it up the middle). In the first game we threw half of the interceptions we threw all season and put together the best AI I have ever seen on defense (we changed the blitz package and accidently left the TE open on 3 wide formations). But regardless of what I think, they beat the crap out of us twice.

And let the record reflect: scrimmages are totally either test or goofing games, so if you win, you should definitely run your mouth because it doesn't mean anything.

Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.


The ACC comparison is spot on. Competition doesn't mean squat if the quality of teams are lower. Comparing the 8 seeds doesn't say much about a conferences quality, quality is measured at the top. As for the implication that Eci got lucky with their 7 point win. Did you ever think maybe YOU got lucky to be even within 7 points of Eci?
 
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I'll make this deal with you - you tell us how to stop turning the ball over against E'ci and we will tell you how to defense Sitton.


Haymondjunior....You seem like a nice guy, so I'll help you with some free advice.......(Don't tell Bill....K???)


Question: How to defense Sitton?

Answer: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=265674

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I'm sorry a tight end made it unfair for your team............NOT
 
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Originally posted by BillSaidSux
Originally posted by haymondjunior

Bill- how does confusing having more quality teams (competitive teams) with having a better conference, confuse you? Now Im confused. I believe logic would dictate that if at some point a conference has to fill playoff spots with gutted teams that it would be hard to argue the better conference. LC last season had a 4 way tie to settle the last 3 playoff spots, yet the EC had a team give up mid season, gut their team, and yet still cruise in as an 8th seed into your playoffs giving the #1 team a first round bye. I understand your loyalty to your conference but I am not injecting bias into my statements, I am trying to justify with facts and statistics.

Also, beating a team week one is not a very good barometer of the team we had to beat week 14 or 15 whatever it was. They had several upgrades by that time at key positions. Your team is the one legit opponent I mentioned above and the reason that made you legit was you had the best defense in the entire league last season hands down. So its no wonder to me why you were able to limit their lvl 44 TE, you had the personnel to do just that. You were like the Baltimore Ravens of recent years past, if a team scored more than 17 points on you, your offense struggled to keep you in the game. We were the opposite with the personnel we had we were using double teams of lvl34 LOLB and a lvl41 run stuffing SS to try to contain that speed. Its a mismatch any way you look at it, as our FS was lvl 32 so that wasnt an option.

What was bland and predictable was our ability to put up the most points scored on them all season, what I am trying to take credit for is making the closest game they played all season. Both points are prideful considering the EC as a whole couldnt accomplish those feats. Since noone beat them all season long, you have to take solace in the few battles you win even if you lose the war.

As for the scrimmage, we do take them seriously and we havent lost many of those either. However, we dont show our "A" game nor our "A" AI either. So, if we win we win and if we lose either way our opponents come regular season time have nothing to scout. Best of luck to you, and I am curious to see how we fair against a tough "Raven's-like" defense using an experimental setup. This allows us to maybe throw another setup into the kitty to draw from later on if needed.


Your first paragraph makes two good points. That first game was week 1 and was a 1 pt victory, so take that for what it is worth. However, Happy Hour was a good team that quit right after we housed them. And if I remember correctly, we housed them because we got some to's early and the rest of the game was a moral beat down, I think they made a terrible decision and I still don't understand it.

However, if competitive = quality, the ACC was the best football conference last season.

Regardless, while our conference has victories, it wasn't like E'ci and MaRAWK!!o went out and just trounced everybody in lion conference. In my opinion, there were 5 good teams in our league last season, 3 Lion, 2 Elephant.

I still think we got unlucky twice against E'ci last season. Our RB had one fumble all season and it was in the first quarter of the E'ci game, which they returned for a TD and then they figured out our secret 3rd and short play (ram it up the middle). In the first game we threw half of the interceptions we threw all season and put together the best AI I have ever seen on defense (we changed the blitz package and accidently left the TE open on 3 wide formations). But regardless of what I think, they beat the crap out of us twice.

And let the record reflect: scrimmages are totally either test or goofing games, so if you win, you should definitely run your mouth because it doesn't mean anything.

Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.


What forum am I in? why is there an extra A here!!! Should these posts be in AA#3? I'm scared....
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Originally posted by haymondjunior

What forum am I in? why is there an extra A here!!! Should these posts be in AA#3? I'm scared....


Well to be honest most of us came from AA3.... including you......
 
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First off GG o's my experimental OAI blew up in my face with the throwing long out of 4th and .5yard with the game on the line in field goal range. So I am glad it was just a scrimmage. Most of the things we tested didnt work out or worked out horribly. I dont believe we have had that many 3 and outs ever. I hope you came away from this game with as much knowledge of the new changes as we did. Your defense definitely impresses the shit out of me, there was a ton of PDs that game.

Second, cannons call I believe you are referring to the half full half empty expression. I believe if you read any of my posts (if you didnt thats ok) you would know on which side of the debate I stand on, but yes I clearly recognize that one could view it in another light. My rhetoric would express that I would not see it from the thank my lucky stars that we made it a good game train of thought.

Lastly, I never said a lvl 44 TE made anything unfair, I merely stated we didnt have the personnel to negate that weapon on Eci's offense. The best we could line up against him was a lvl 34 LOLB and a lvl 42 run stopping SS. Yes I agree the above FS would do an adequate job defending an equally leveled receiving TE, thats no secret but thanks for sharing. We had a lvl 32 FS so that wasnt an option for us. Noone is to blame here and I surely was not placing blame anywhere. I am definitely not trying to find a scapegoat anywhere on either side of the los for that game. The bottom line was a team that was 3 seasons old with players that were on the team since expansion making them 4 seasons old, put up one helluva game against a team with not one starter under lvl 40. I still feel thats its quite sad they only beat us by 7 points. If you or anyone wants to misconstrue my posts and villain-ize me to make your victory seam sweeter, than by all means waste your time. I, however, will continue to post my same points over and over again because in the real world I am getting paid to sit on a forum and talk shit. Ah the beauty of civil service!

For the rest of the AAA world, I would like to wish all the best this season. With these new changes and the competition in this league (be it the ACC or SEC one would like to compare this league to), no one is going to be able to take a "week" off. I suspect there will be no undefeated teams this season and moreover I expect to see several 12-4 teams this season fighting it out for a home playoff game come seasons end!
 
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BillSaidSux
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Originally posted by zurin
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Here is the good news about our defense: Everybody we brought in was on defense and we got a punter. Guess what we are planning to do this season? I think you have seen it before.


Punting a lot when you aren't giving up Defensive TD's against E'ci.


We have never not given up defensive TD's against you guys, so I don't know what you are implying.
 
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Hey MaRAWK!!o: Haymand is saying NICE things about the defense. Whoa up there fellas!

I vote we close this thread. It seems to be getting off track a little.

Haymond: Nice touch putting up 16 to illustrate your point about what happens when teams score 17 against us. Hitting that FG would have been an even nicer touch.
 
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