Warrior General Games

I have to admit, CCIA is making this league very entertaining. I am going to sit back and enjoy the show.

I see both sides. Here in A6 we won a little to much to soon and got promoted. Sok, we will deal. But in the USA leagues, there are ALOT of "A" teams that are high 54's if not 57's that have just had some bad luck, that would give pro teams a run for the money. Its uncapped, has been from the start.


As to individual players, level 40's are pretty common in USA A, even in USA BBB in some places. Until alot of changes happen, just how it will be. Just have to figure out a way to beat them. I damn sure plan on it. Heheh They are are going to have to be alot higher than they are to make me think we have no shot. Maybe its POV. You see them as being over leveled, and yourself under leveled. I them as the norm, and I want to show we are just as good and belong here!

Sly: less boring explanations, more shit talking, kthx. If you're the Chuck Norris of shit talking, you're venturing way too close to Walker, Texas Ranger territory with all those.... "paragraphs."

Happy New Year's to all, let's have some fun this season.

Yea I gotta admit I not only slip in the occasional "paragraph", but "sentence structure", "depth of meaning", "logic", "analysis", "insight", "support", "valid conclusions", "relevance", "allusions", "metaphoric harmony", etc. - all stuff that probably makes you say, "WTF is this guy speaking, Japanese?"

Happy New Year back at ya!!

Opponent: Sly, your team is such a giant smelly piece of GR-GURGLE-GEE

Sly: Index finger in the thorax.

Let me explain myself a bit better.

I have no problems with players wanting to stick around with friends.

I have more problems with shady owners colluding to gut teams and screw future owners. this is proabbly the biggest reason USA is the way it is. wen AC got our team we were in AAA ball. completely gutted. competing agains soem wicked high teams.

anytime an owner guts a team, it creates a vacuum. new owner comes in tries to make it, but quits becasue he hates losing. so he guts the team. its systemic.

gameplannign only goes so far. as an owner, I think I damn successful if i can continue to make money and build the stadium. That should say soemthing to potential players here. the problem is players only want to play for winning teams.

My frustration coems from inablity to sign guys that want to come and play here, and we really only need a couple guys ina couple key positions to start winning. Our gameplan is sound I feel because we consisntently beat teams near our level when playing scrimmages. sow eve got hopes there.

It is very tough to take over a gutted team and I speak from experience.

Now a lot has changed since gutted teams get sent immediately to BBB, where at least they have some other gutted teams around them, and next season more gutted teams coming in.

But when I took over Corpus Christi (the name I inherited was the Humboldt Harvesters) the team was a wreck. The prior owner had started out in season 2 in USA A6. All the other teams in A6 were brand new at the time just like his, but he still struggled to a 1-15 record, and was demoted down to USA BBB11. At that time only a couple of teams moved up or got demoted so a lot of the teams in supposedly "weaker" divisions were not weaker at all. The USA BBB11 teams had all started in season 2, same as the USA A6 teams. A couple moved up but the league was extremely competitive. My team's old owner won a couple of games in season 3, but then saw that he was really doing no better, and like you described, he gutted the team and left it for dead. I came in and took over a team that had a 2-8 record prior to having most of its players shipped off, mostly CPU's left on the roster, and six games including 4-5 playoff teams on the remaining schedule.

I just started recruiting like crazy. The main thing I had to offer was playing time, so that's what I sold. We lost all six games, 5 by large margins - the second to last one we kept respectable and actually didn't get shut out. It was very tough.

Nowadays in the offseason a bunch of gutted teams fall down to BBB but in the offseason between season 3 and 4 it was just 1 team sent down to my Conference and 1 team sent up from my Conference. I did what I could in the offseason, added a few better players, added a piece to the stadium (I think only 1 piece had been built when I got it), and they started to come out with some new AI options (before it was only basic AI for everyone) that I tried to take advantage of.

We were better but we still kept losing. I did manage to win 3 games, a franchise record, including 2 of the final 3, which kind of went hand-in-hand with how I just kept working on improving the team little by little every day.

Another owner was on the boards with a similar situation as I had and his plan was to sell off his team, and ride out a season just to earn money, then to rebuild. That seems to be a popular plan nowadays. I said forget that, especially since what he was really doing was that half the players he was "selling" were his own players and he was certain he could bring them back after "renting" them a season. By the way, he's still in BBB11.

MOST OWNERS QUIT BY THIS POINT!!!

What I did between season 4 and 5 is just stay the course. Again, only 1 team came down to my Conference and only 1 team went up. But I had a good core in place who understood the rebuilding process and saw the light at the end of the long tunnel so I was able to continue to build, adding talent steadily. The AI possibilities continued to expand which helped as well. We finally started winning, and went 10-6, including a playoff berth.

We finally had a good team, and then we finally had a couple of big things happen that made us much better in a hurry. First, the promotion/relegation was changed so that a bunch of teams (I think 4-5) went up and the same number came down. Also, the owner of a Pro team I was on suddenly quit in the offseason and a few of the core players from that team decided to join my team. At that point, we became really good, and went 20-0 winning the League and Conference Championships.

Bottom line, I agree it's a very tough situation to take over a gutted team. I've been through that situation and it took me 1.3 seasons of losing before I was able to turn things around, and I have an exceptional amount of experience and understanding of how to win. Most normal owners, even very good ones, would probably take 3-4 seasons of rebuilding before getting things turned around under the old conditions. Now it's much easier for a gutted team but probably will still take a new, good owner taking over a gutted team that has gotten dropped to BBB at least a couple of seasons before turning things around.

Originally posted by Sly
It is very tough to take over a gutted team and I speak from experience.

Now a lot has changed since gutted teams get sent immediately to BBB, where at least they have some other gutted teams around them, and next season more gutted teams coming in.

But when I took over Corpus Christi (the name I inherited was the Humboldt Harvesters) the team was a wreck. The prior owner had started out in season 2 in USA A6. All the other teams in A6 were brand new at the time just like his, but he still struggled to a 1-15 record, and was demoted down to USA BBB11. At that time only a couple of teams moved up or got demoted so a lot of the teams in supposedly "weaker" divisions were not weaker at all. The USA BBB11 teams had all started in season 2, same as the USA A6 teams. A couple moved up but the league was extremely competitive. My team's old owner won a couple of games in season 3, but then saw that he was really doing no better, and like you described, he gutted the team and left it for dead. I came in and took over a team that had a 2-8 record prior to having most of its players shipped off, mostly CPU's left on the roster, and six games including 4-5 playoff teams on the remaining schedule.

I just started recruiting like crazy. The main thing I had to offer was playing time, so that's what I sold. We lost all six games, 5 by large margins - the second to last one we kept respectable and actually didn't get shut out. It was very tough.

Nowadays in the offseason a bunch of gutted teams fall down to BBB but in the offseason between season 3 and 4 it was just 1 team sent down to my Conference and 1 team sent up from my Conference. I did what I could in the offseason, added a few better players, added a piece to the stadium (I think only 1 piece had been built when I got it), and they started to come out with some new AI options (before it was only basic AI for everyone) that I tried to take advantage of.

We were better but we still kept losing. I did manage to win 3 games, a franchise record, including 2 of the final 3, which kind of went hand-in-hand with how I just kept working on improving the team little by little every day.

Another owner was on the boards with a similar situation as I had and his plan was to sell off his team, and ride out a season just to earn money, then to rebuild. That seems to be a popular plan nowadays. I said forget that, especially since what he was really doing was that half the players he was "selling" were his own players and he was certain he could bring them back after "renting" them a season. By the way, he's still in BBB11.

MOST OWNERS QUIT BY THIS POINT!!!

What I did between season 4 and 5 is just stay the course. Again, only 1 team came down to my Conference and only 1 team went up. But I had a good core in place who understood the rebuilding process and saw the light at the end of the long tunnel so I was able to continue to build, adding talent steadily. The AI possibilities continued to expand which helped as well. We finally started winning, and went 10-6, including a playoff berth.

We finally had a good team, and then we finally had a couple of big things happen that made us much better in a hurry. First, the promotion/relegation was changed so that a bunch of teams (I think 4-5) went up and the same number came down. Also, the owner of a Pro team I was on suddenly quit in the offseason and a few of the core players from that team decided to join my team. At that point, we became really good, and went 20-0 winning the League and Conference Championships.

Bottom line, I agree it's a very tough situation to take over a gutted team. I've been through that situation and it took me 1.3 seasons of losing before I was able to turn things around, and I have an exceptional amount of experience and understanding of how to win. Most normal owners, even very good ones, would probably take 3-4 seasons of rebuilding before getting things turned around under the old conditions. Now it's much easier for a gutted team but probably will still take a new, good owner taking over a gutted team that has gotten dropped to BBB at least a couple of seasons before turning things around.

good story. It is possible

Originally posted by Sly
It is very tough to take over a gutted team and I speak from experience.


We finally had a good team, and then we finally had a couple of big things happen that made us much better in a hurry. First, the promotion/relegation was changed so that a bunch of teams (I think 4-5) went up and the same number came down. Also, the owner of a Pro team I was on suddenly quit in the offseason and a few of the core players from that team decided to join my team. At that point, we became really good, and went 20-0 winning the League and Conference Championships.

Also, the owner of a Pro team I was on suddenly quit in the offseason and a few of the core players from that team decided to join my team.



I pulled out the main point and then within that the prime, unless it was 2-3 players only this is the best way to get a gutted team up and running. Be on another team and many of the players come to your team due to owner quiting/selling/giving up... yes you can recruit but unless you know a lot of people or are on a lot of teams it will be an up hill battle.

We do not have the best team in the world but without the owners we'd not even be close to competitive, they've brought their players (and I did with mine also) over to the team as the other teams they were on collapsed or sold off. Right now that is the difference... you either started good (lucky) or you had a bunch of friends and you got together on this or you made good contacts through posting and working a lot, and I mean like a full time job a lot, to get the players. And of course have a USA team too

oh and just to be clear, I am taking nothing away from what Sly has done... just expressing my opinion and what I've seen in the 9 months I've been here.

Originally posted by Sly
It is very tough to take over a gutted team and I speak from experience.

Now a lot has changed since gutted teams get sent immediately to BBB, where at least they have some other gutted teams around them, and next season more gutted teams coming in.

But when I took over Corpus Christi (the name I inherited was the Humboldt Harvesters) the team was a wreck. The prior owner had started out in season 2 in USA A6. All the other teams in A6 were brand new at the time just like his, but he still struggled to a 1-15 record, and was demoted down to USA BBB11. At that time only a couple of teams moved up or got demoted so a lot of the teams in supposedly "weaker" divisions were not weaker at all. The USA BBB11 teams had all started in season 2, same as the USA A6 teams. A couple moved up but the league was extremely competitive. My team's old owner won a couple of games in season 3, but then saw that he was really doing no better, and like you described, he gutted the team and left it for dead. I came in and took over a team that had a 2-8 record prior to having most of its players shipped off, mostly CPU's left on the roster, and six games including 4-5 playoff teams on the remaining schedule.

I just started recruiting like crazy. The main thing I had to offer was playing time, so that's what I sold. We lost all six games, 5 by large margins - the second to last one we kept respectable and actually didn't get shut out. It was very tough.

Nowadays in the offseason a bunch of gutted teams fall down to BBB but in the offseason between season 3 and 4 it was just 1 team sent down to my Conference and 1 team sent up from my Conference. I did what I could in the offseason, added a few better players, added a piece to the stadium (I think only 1 piece had been built when I got it), and they started to come out with some new AI options (before it was only basic AI for everyone) that I tried to take advantage of.

We were better but we still kept losing. I did manage to win 3 games, a franchise record, including 2 of the final 3, which kind of went hand-in-hand with how I just kept working on improving the team little by little every day.

Another owner was on the boards with a similar situation as I had and his plan was to sell off his team, and ride out a season just to earn money, then to rebuild. That seems to be a popular plan nowadays. I said forget that, especially since what he was really doing was that half the players he was "selling" were his own players and he was certain he could bring them back after "renting" them a season. By the way, he's still in BBB11.

MOST OWNERS QUIT BY THIS POINT!!!

What I did between season 4 and 5 is just stay the course. Again, only 1 team came down to my Conference and only 1 team went up. But I had a good core in place who understood the rebuilding process and saw the light at the end of the long tunnel so I was able to continue to build, adding talent steadily. The AI possibilities continued to expand which helped as well. We finally started winning, and went 10-6, including a playoff berth.

We finally had a good team, and then we finally had a couple of big things happen that made us much better in a hurry. First, the promotion/relegation was changed so that a bunch of teams (I think 4-5) went up and the same number came down. Also, the owner of a Pro team I was on suddenly quit in the offseason and a few of the core players from that team decided to join my team. At that point, we became really good, and went 20-0 winning the League and Conference Championships.

Bottom line, I agree it's a very tough situation to take over a gutted team. I've been through that situation and it took me 1.3 seasons of losing before I was able to turn things around, and I have an exceptional amount of experience and understanding of how to win. Most normal owners, even very good ones, would probably take 3-4 seasons of rebuilding before getting things turned around under the old conditions. Now it's much easier for a gutted team but probably will still take a new, good owner taking over a gutted team that has gotten dropped to BBB at least a couple of seasons before turning things around.

You will lose and lose often in this league. Get used to it.

Originally posted by riptide2

You will lose and lose often in this league. Get used to it.

Bitter much? Don't worry, we're not going to replicate Guadalahara's long history of playoff collapses. We've won it all, unlike Guadalahara who has collapsed every year in the playoffs, usually early in big upsets.

Originally posted by Whispersoft

I pulled out the main point and then within that the prime, unless it was 2-3 players only this is the best way to get a gutted team up and running. Be on another team and many of the players come to your team due to owner quiting/selling/giving up... yes you can recruit but unless you know a lot of people or are on a lot of teams it will be an up hill battle.

No that's not a good conclusion. We went from a 3-13 team to a 10-6 team before getting the players from the gutted team, just straight recruiting after only 1 full season with me as owner. Reread the following.

Originally posted by Sly
I did manage to win 3 games, a franchise record, including 2 of the final 3, which kind of went hand-in-hand with how I just kept working on improving the team little by little every day.

What I did between season 4 and 5 is just stay the course. Again, only 1 team came down to my Conference and only 1 team went up. But I had a good core in place who understood the rebuilding process and saw the light at the end of the long tunnel so I was able to continue to build, adding talent steadily. The AI possibilities continued to expand which helped as well. We finally started winning, and went 10-6, plus a playoff berth.

So we were a winning, playoff team before we got a single player off the gutted team.

Bama

Smoked by a mwest team

Originally posted by toddt
Bama

Smoked by a mwest team

Go SEC! NOT!!!! Nice job Utah!!!!!