Originally posted by ultrajer
I would rather beat you 50-10 then beat a CPU team 255-0.
I thought someone who sounded an awful lot like me around told you to keep your mouth shut. Seriously, when someone is obviously upset about an issue, what kind of person keeps bringing it up and poking that nerve? Your "more realistic" 50-10 victory is far, far less important than the enjoyment of another team. What kind of selfish ass actually says that because they'd rather win 50-10 than 255-0, that they don't care if some other group of agents gets screwed over? Good lord, I can't even imagine what it's like to be that self-absorbed.
Originally posted by
Equal footing is not an option in this game with so many teams coming and going, its the natural order of things when the game allows teams to be dismantaled at a moments notice, the thing bort is trying to do is control way too many CPU teams in higher leagues, and overregulation as you call it is the only answer period.
Overregulation is so obviously not the "only answer." You can argue that you believe it is the "best answer" and we can disagree, but saying it's the "only answer" is blatantly absurd. 255-0 blowouts of CPU teams do not significantly hurt the game. You don't have people gutting teams or quit playing altogether because of those outcomes. They skew the stats, which is an annoyance, but a minor one. Meanwhile, being put in a league where you aren't competitive is a major obstacle. If you've had some success and at least one realistic chance at a championship, then you're more energized to take on that challenge. Teams who were nowhere near that level, however, feel abused and cheated. That's why gutting has INCREASED DRAMATICALLY since Bort's new policy of heavy promotion, because it actually makes the problem worse instead of solving it. A lot of teams will pack it in and start over where they're put in a league where there are least six or more teams they have absolutely no chance of beating, and plenty more they may or may not beat on any given day.
Originally posted by
our team goal is the Pro's, not to win Championship after Championship just for the sake of winning them. I don't care how I get there
This is about the thousandth time I've heard this ridiculous excuse, and I say that because it is both ridiculous and clearly an excuse. People want to earn their way up the ladder through promotion. If all you wanted was to play in a Pro League, you would put Pro Leagues as your preference in the team buying process. That was very possible before they started moving all CPU teams to the bottom, yet you and everyone else avoided it because they didn't want those teams. Moreover, stop creating straw men arguments to justify your nonsense. Whitechapel hasn't won any championships. We wanted one chance to do so before moving up here, and instead that got ripped away from us.
Originally posted by
It only takes a little hard work and determination to catch a few teams ahead of you, it takes a lot of hard work and determination to catch the likes of the top teams, up to you which one you want to do.
I guess you believed your mother when she would tell you how handsome you were and that anything was possible if you just put your mind to it. My mother me told me the same thing, but I stopped buying that about the same time I stopped believing in Santa Claus. Equality in life is rare, and you generally can't make up the difference simply through effort. The people who have been in WEA3 Zeta with me know that I work my ass off, and I'd like to think that I'm respected by most of the other GMs there. You can't wave a magic wand and suddenly be competitive with Marcy/Wichita/Hungary/etc because guess what, they're working their asses off to keep getting better too. Catching a team much better than you is only possible if they stop improving.
Clearly being in Alpha has affected your thinking because you have no idea what it's like trying to compete in a conference that is as good as Zeta. You think being competitive just takes "a little hard work and determination" because you play in a cupcake conference that always gets slaughtered by Zeta. You're the WAC, with one or two good teams a season that might beat someone from Zeta. We're the SEC, where there are so many dominant teams that it looks hopeless for anyone who isn't at that level. No one in Alpha would have any chance of cracking the top five spots in Zeta. No chance at all. If we had gotten promoted to Alpha, then sure, I'd have a different attitude because the top teams in WEAA2 Alpha aren't even close to being as good as the ones from last season in WEA3 Zeta.
Originally posted by
But don't use the excuse that being promoted is henderance on your team, everyone has the same shot at recruiting, or build your players better and game plan better, that's your choices.
Nice. You managed to squeeze in the same excuses Suggestions forum trolls use in response to every complaint, no matter what kind of complaint it is. If those were the only variables then we wouldn't have tiers or promotion, we'd just have one level of teams grouped together. If "everyone has the same shot at recruiting" and if people just need to "build their players better and game plan better," then what's the point of having A, AA, AAA, and Pro? Why not just send you to Pro right now? "Everone has the same shot at recruiting," right? By your logic, you should be able to go Pro immediately and do just fine because of your recruiting, builds, and gameplan. Einstein, the tiers exist precisely to group teams in roughly equal levels where they can be legitimate competitive against one another, and that's because recruiting, builds, and gameplan are not the only variables.
I just don't get why you would choose to keep poking me over this issue when it clearly irritates me. You can believe whatever you want to believe and I'm fine with that, because if I worried about every dumb thing someone believed then I'd never have time for anything else. But when someone is clearly upset and sensitive about an issue, you don't exacerbate the situation by needling them about it, especially when your "reasoning" is as absurd as yours has been in this thread. If you insist upon continuing this subject, at least make some good points. If you don't have any, then please don't talk about it and instead give me however much time it takes for me to deal with getting screwed.
SAGA45:
Thank you for the graciousness and the sentiment, but you're blowing well-intentioned smoke up our collective asses. The pay-off is neither inevitable nor worth the wait. We've already been through five seasons of knowing that we have no chance to beat the best teams in our conference, and if the current promotion system stays intact, then there is a good chance that we will never get that pay-off. The previous system was constructed to gradually move up the best teams in each conference, giving the next best teams a chance for their "day in the sun." In that respect, it worked. One season you'd be very good but maybe not as good as the top teams, and then the next season you would be one of the top teams after the previous ones moved on. Now unless you're just lucky enough to hit right before the cut-off, you're going to keep competing against the same teams. We've continued trying and presumably will continue to do so because we don't want to break up the team and because the other people in Zeta are so interesting that we've been able to tolerate our regular beatings.
