Originally posted by mdpeterson42
It's funny that you criticize Lions_Lover for being argumentative.
I don't criticize LL for being argumentative, I criticize him for making excuses when he knows he's wrong instead of just being mature and admitting it. For instance, you know that you're wrong about the milk analogy. If shoppers don't catch the mistake when they're being rung up, then obviously it's not ok that they're being overcharged just because everyone else who buys milk is being equally screwed. You know that, but you don't want to admit that equal treatment is not the same as fair treatment.
Or if you insist on an analogy from a competitive sports situation, take the famous Eric Gregg game from the NLCS in 1997. Gregg was the home plate umpire and, for whatever reason, he decided to use a ridiculously large strike zone. Livan Hernandez was able to shut down the Braves because Gregg was calling strikes on balls a foot off the outside of the plate. Now he did that for both teams, so the treatment was equal, but it was still incredibly unfair because it wasn't realistic or expected. Hitters had planned for a conventional strike zone and were not prepared to handle this farce where anything within the catcher's reach was being called a strike. Similarly, a lot of teams use a pass defense with a late lead but they don't expect an opponent to be able to run 11 plays in 110 seconds since that would never happen in real life.
Originally posted by -Cory G.-
the last two minutes don't decide a game - all 60 minutes do.
So when Ed Hochuli cost the Chargers a game they clearly should have won, it wasn't significant because San Diego still had a chance to stop the Broncos on the next play even though the game should have been over? What about the famous "Fifth Down" game in 1990 where Colorado beat Missouri because the officials mistakenly allowed Colorado five downs? You could apply your same argument and say that Missouri should have stopped them on the fifth down too. Everything Dublin did before that last drive does matter, yes, but none of it changes the fact that their opponent benefited from an unreasonable amount of time at the end.
Originally posted by
losing in the last 2 minutes just means they didn't play all that well at any point during the game.
Good lord, that is just an incredibly ridiculous thing to say. Lewisburg isn't some chump team. If Dublin didn't "play all that well at any point during the game" then it wouldn't have come down to the final seconds. Seriously, if you're going to say things that absurd then you're better off not saying anything at all because you just make yourself look bad.
Originally posted by
And lastly, a 3-step drop should definetely take less than 3 seconds unless the players are drastically incompetent. That's what a 3-step drop is: a quick release to a receiver whose route doesn't need to develop. You'll notice that Mike Martz's offenses rarely have 3-step drops, where as this year's Jaguars, Saints, and Chargers have tons of them. If it takes more than 3 seconds or so then it's a failed play.
I get paid to write about football, so trust me when I say that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. First, no three step drop throw ever takes less than 3 seconds. It never has in the history of college or professional football because it's impossible to complete all the physical actions in that amount of time. It's physically impossible. That's why teams don't run another play when they only have 4 or so seconds left on the clock, because it isn't possible to complete another pass in that amount of time. Short passes such as slants out of a three step drop will still take 4 or more seconds from the time of the snap to the point the receiver attains possession. Outs, ins, hooks, curls, and such will take longer, at about 7-10 seconds. Then corners, posts, streaks, and other deeper routes will take even more than that.
Then as for your claims about three step drops, you are incorrect about those teams. The Jaguars, Saints, and Chargers do have three step drops, as all NFL teams do, but those teams absolutely do not use them frequently. Norv Turner and Sean Payton in particular are both known for the vertical elements of their passing game. Most of their drops are 5 or 7. You are correct about Mike Martz, but if you wanted an example of a team that uses a lot of 3 step, then the Buccaneers would have been the best choice. And by the way, if you look through the game logs at NFL.com, you'll see that Tampa Bay hasn't had a pass attempt this whole season that took less than 4 seconds.
