The gutted teams did have a pretty big affect throughout this season. In the playoff vs playoff team match-ups, the West did really well. I think they were 4-1. It is good to see as the regular season has been really tough. It will be another fight for any of the teams to advance past the 1st round in the playoffs.
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Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
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Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
The real problem, imop, is that it makes regular season stats completely meaningless. They are already kind of bogus, when two good RB split carries, for example, but after playing 2 or 3 gutted teams it just means being the league leader doesn't mean a damn thing in any stat category.
Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
The real problem, imop, is that it makes regular season stats completely meaningless. They are already kind of bogus, when two good RB split carries, for example, but after playing 2 or 3 gutted teams it just means being the league leader doesn't mean a damn thing in any stat category.
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Originally posted by mpowell
Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
The real problem, imop, is that it makes regular season stats completely meaningless. They are already kind of bogus, when two good RB split carries, for example, but after playing 2 or 3 gutted teams it just means being the league leader doesn't mean a damn thing in any stat category.
Yea couldn't agree more...It just ruins any relevance the stats would've had which sucks. The only thing that helps is the fact that every team plays the same teams in the conference, so for the most part, their not completely useless. But then Demo has an inter-conference game against an Eastern Conference punching bag, that noone else has played so that doesn't help.
Next season should be a whole new ball-game and I look forward to it...Its alot more fun playing meaningful games. I absolutely hate playing cupcakes.
Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
Agreed...Its really no fun to watch your team just destroy another as if your men playing against infants...Excited for better competition next season.
The real problem, imop, is that it makes regular season stats completely meaningless. They are already kind of bogus, when two good RB split carries, for example, but after playing 2 or 3 gutted teams it just means being the league leader doesn't mean a damn thing in any stat category.
Yea couldn't agree more...It just ruins any relevance the stats would've had which sucks. The only thing that helps is the fact that every team plays the same teams in the conference, so for the most part, their not completely useless. But then Demo has an inter-conference game against an Eastern Conference punching bag, that noone else has played so that doesn't help.
Next season should be a whole new ball-game and I look forward to it...Its alot more fun playing meaningful games. I absolutely hate playing cupcakes.
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Well, unfortunately, we will be stuck with our gutted teams for a few more seasons. No new gutted teams will pop up -> they will all be in BBB. But we can only lose two of our gutted teams per season (and we have 3 in the West). Worse, we'll be getting two gutted teams per season out of AA, so you won't really see a drop off in the gutted teams in A until all the gutted teams have drained out of AA, AAA and Pro. Your best bet to avoid these lingering gutted squads is to move up to AA, but that's what everyone is trying to do, so good luck!
I thought the "plan" was to:
a) relegate the teams to be relegated
b) drop gutted teams to the lowest level
c) promote teams to fill open positions
The only question becomes, what happens if there are more gutted teams in a given tree than there are spots in the low leagues (ie, will Bort move teams from the AAA #1 tree to the AAA #2 tree, if necessary) to spread out the bad teams.
a) relegate the teams to be relegated
b) drop gutted teams to the lowest level
c) promote teams to fill open positions
The only question becomes, what happens if there are more gutted teams in a given tree than there are spots in the low leagues (ie, will Bort move teams from the AAA #1 tree to the AAA #2 tree, if necessary) to spread out the bad teams.
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I agree with you, AirMcMVP.
It sounds like it will work from the top down, so if Pro dumps 2 gutted teams to AAA, who already had 2 gutted teams, then all 4 gutted teams would drop to AA, etc. That should ensure that the upper tiers in the league pyramids are competitive, but once you get down near the bottom of the ladder, it does leave the potential for there to be a league that's half gutted teams and half established teams, which would not be fun for anybody.
Edit: Now that I look, I guess actually all the gutted/rebuilding teams get dumped to the bottom at once (which seems a little off to me -- what happens when, say, a team averaging Level 25 guys gets dumped from Pro league for being uncompetitive there; do they have the misfortune of dropping all the way to BBB [and does BBB have to put up with them running roughshod over many of the teams there]?), and then the promotions start, but the result is the same... there will still be some chances for a lot of uncompetitive games.
It sounds like it will work from the top down, so if Pro dumps 2 gutted teams to AAA, who already had 2 gutted teams, then all 4 gutted teams would drop to AA, etc. That should ensure that the upper tiers in the league pyramids are competitive, but once you get down near the bottom of the ladder, it does leave the potential for there to be a league that's half gutted teams and half established teams, which would not be fun for anybody.
Edit: Now that I look, I guess actually all the gutted/rebuilding teams get dumped to the bottom at once (which seems a little off to me -- what happens when, say, a team averaging Level 25 guys gets dumped from Pro league for being uncompetitive there; do they have the misfortune of dropping all the way to BBB [and does BBB have to put up with them running roughshod over many of the teams there]?), and then the promotions start, but the result is the same... there will still be some chances for a lot of uncompetitive games.
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This system really isn't perfect by a long way. It will make more leagues competitive though. At least for a season or 2. If you also look though, it goes by playoff wins. It doesn't say what league the wins are from.
Looking at the 3 teams that came from BBB 12. First the Bugeaters advanced with 4 playoff wins. Season 3, I forget what seed they were, but they got 1 playoff win. Season 4, they were the #1 seed and got 1 playoff win for a total of 6 playoff wins.
The Ewoks advanced 2nd. They were a 5 seed in season 2 and got 1 win. In season 3, they got 3 wins as they lost the league championship game, but advanced. Last season they got 0 wins as the 7th seed. That's a total of 4 playoff wins.
The Beach Boys advanced 3rd. In season 2, they were the #2 seed and got 2 wins before losing in the conference finals. In season 3, the same but they were the #1 seed, so 2 more wins. Last season they got 4 wins as they advanced. This gives them 8 playoff wins.
So by playoff wins alone, HBB would advance before HIB and TRE. I'm guessing most the other teams in the West also don't have 8 playoff wins over the last 3 seasons. Of course this does not take into account this season yet.
Looking at the 3 teams that came from BBB 12. First the Bugeaters advanced with 4 playoff wins. Season 3, I forget what seed they were, but they got 1 playoff win. Season 4, they were the #1 seed and got 1 playoff win for a total of 6 playoff wins.
The Ewoks advanced 2nd. They were a 5 seed in season 2 and got 1 win. In season 3, they got 3 wins as they lost the league championship game, but advanced. Last season they got 0 wins as the 7th seed. That's a total of 4 playoff wins.
The Beach Boys advanced 3rd. In season 2, they were the #2 seed and got 2 wins before losing in the conference finals. In season 3, the same but they were the #1 seed, so 2 more wins. Last season they got 4 wins as they advanced. This gives them 8 playoff wins.
So by playoff wins alone, HBB would advance before HIB and TRE. I'm guessing most the other teams in the West also don't have 8 playoff wins over the last 3 seasons. Of course this does not take into account this season yet.
Originally posted by WeissRice
I agree with you, AirMcMVP.
It sounds like it will work from the top down, so if Pro dumps 2 gutted teams to AAA, who already had 2 gutted teams, then all 4 gutted teams would drop to AA, etc. That should ensure that the upper tiers in the league pyramids are competitive, but once you get down near the bottom of the ladder, it does leave the potential for there to be a league that's half gutted teams and half established teams, which would not be fun for anybody.
Partially right.
In your example, the two Pro level gutted teams would be relegated first. In the AAA league, two teams would be relegated (probably gutted), evening out the league. This would proceed all the way to BBB. Once all relegations are done, all gutted teams are moved to BBB (spread between 8 leagues per AAA tree). At this point, if there are less than 256 gutted teams in a given tree, any "flagged" or way below level teams would be moved to BBB (in a best case scenario, flagged or way below level teams would fall into a tier where they'd be competitive, not BBB, unless that is where they belong).
THEN promotions would begin. AAA would be promoted to Pro first. Then AA to AAA, then A to AA, then BBB to A, moving up enough teams to fill the league based on the tie breaking criteria released.
If this model is followed, BBB (or A where BBB doesn't exist) could end up being a very mixed league, but most likely even a decent team would be promoted out fairly quickly.
Originally posted by tyante
This system really isn't perfect by a long way. It will make more leagues competitive though. At least for a season or 2. If you also look though, it goes by playoff wins. It doesn't say what league the wins are from.
I assumed it meant playoff wins "THIS SEASON", not in a teams history.
I agree with you, AirMcMVP.
It sounds like it will work from the top down, so if Pro dumps 2 gutted teams to AAA, who already had 2 gutted teams, then all 4 gutted teams would drop to AA, etc. That should ensure that the upper tiers in the league pyramids are competitive, but once you get down near the bottom of the ladder, it does leave the potential for there to be a league that's half gutted teams and half established teams, which would not be fun for anybody.
Partially right.
In your example, the two Pro level gutted teams would be relegated first. In the AAA league, two teams would be relegated (probably gutted), evening out the league. This would proceed all the way to BBB. Once all relegations are done, all gutted teams are moved to BBB (spread between 8 leagues per AAA tree). At this point, if there are less than 256 gutted teams in a given tree, any "flagged" or way below level teams would be moved to BBB (in a best case scenario, flagged or way below level teams would fall into a tier where they'd be competitive, not BBB, unless that is where they belong).
THEN promotions would begin. AAA would be promoted to Pro first. Then AA to AAA, then A to AA, then BBB to A, moving up enough teams to fill the league based on the tie breaking criteria released.
If this model is followed, BBB (or A where BBB doesn't exist) could end up being a very mixed league, but most likely even a decent team would be promoted out fairly quickly.
Originally posted by tyante
This system really isn't perfect by a long way. It will make more leagues competitive though. At least for a season or 2. If you also look though, it goes by playoff wins. It doesn't say what league the wins are from.
I assumed it meant playoff wins "THIS SEASON", not in a teams history.
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I think the playoff wins considered for promotion are restricted to the current postseason, tyante, the idea being that the deeper you go into this season's playoffs, the more deserving you are of promotion, and for teams that get knocked out in the same round, the comparison then is based on their scrimmages with other teams that lost in that round, since that should give a good sense of which teams among those are the best.
Heh, yeah, AirMcMVP, what you said. It seems we were both correcting me at the same time.
Heh, yeah, AirMcMVP, what you said. It seems we were both correcting me at the same time.
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Originally posted by tyante
So by playoff wins alone, HBB would advance before HIB and TRE. I'm guessing most the other teams in the West also don't have 8 playoff wins over the last 3 seasons. Of course this does not take into account this season yet.
Im prewtty sure it will not take into account any playoff wins from prior seasons, only season 5. It wouldn't make sense to do it that way cuz im sure there are many teams with 8 playoffs wins who have been gutted so it would be impossible to take that into account.
So by playoff wins alone, HBB would advance before HIB and TRE. I'm guessing most the other teams in the West also don't have 8 playoff wins over the last 3 seasons. Of course this does not take into account this season yet.
Im prewtty sure it will not take into account any playoff wins from prior seasons, only season 5. It wouldn't make sense to do it that way cuz im sure there are many teams with 8 playoffs wins who have been gutted so it would be impossible to take that into account.
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Originally posted by Albert Harrison
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
You must have seen your week 15 game data. 8-8 makes sense because you all played each other
Originally posted by WeissRice
I wish it was 8-8 overall. Look again. The East only won 5 games today (2 of them against gutted teams), and many of the losses were routs (while a couple of the wins were squeakers). Today was a bloodbath for the East, and a huge change from previous seasons.
Odd. I looked around the time the games finished, and simply counted up the wins versus the losses in the streaks columns. Apparently it had only partially updated. Quite decisive. Well done for the West to pull out their first inter-conference win. We've had far too many teams gut this season, especially on the Eastern side, so its definitely a good thing that Bort is re-ranking teams.
You must have seen your week 15 game data. 8-8 makes sense because you all played each other
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The only thing I'm not sure about here, is that I don't think that Bort is relegating teams that were gutted last season, for example. So the Golden Hawks will be in A6 next season. I might be wrong about that, but I believe that it is only teams that are sold going forward that are dropped all the way down to BBB.
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I hope it is more than just gutted teams this season. I think there should be some kind of average the league should have. Any teams lower than that average by too far should be dropped. I'm not sure it if would be better to do by player levels or overall team strength by the match-ups.
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