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HTM -

This is how I figure it, and not just for Minnesotta but for CCC, Battle Creek and RU as well (I let the Hawks and Frogs make their own arguements).

The 10-16 teams are wins for us. Hands down, no contest. That gives us 7 wins off the bat.

We likely go 0-4 against the top 4 teams so that puts us at 7-4.

Now we're into the middle pack of the West teams and I think our victories over the last 5 games speak for our talent. We'd be able to go 4-1, 3-2 or at worst 2-3 against:

5 San Diego Marauders 8-3-0 W1
6 Grand Haven Mist 8-3-0 W3
7 Buffalo Rangers 7-4-0 W4
8 Portland Hitmen 6-5-0 W1
9 Tucson Nighthawks

No distrespect to those teams but I think we lose 2 at the most. So that puts us at 11-5/10-6.

That get's us in the playoffs and at 11-5 possibly in the #5 slot. If you think NSDK is a possible top 4 team in the West our game against them shows where we would be at against the top 4.

That is how I see it - you only have to beat 2 of the middle teir teams to make the playoffs in the West. Oh - and didn't the East beat the West in the championship game last season too after all the "West is Best" stuff?

In the East you've got to game plan all the way down to the 12th ranked team, even if you're a top 4 team (ask the Grizzlies). In the West - you could play a D-Lineman as your kick returner and still win against any team in the bottom 7. My point is further demostrated since in 7 of the 8 games today in the West 90 points or more were scored by one team. The closest score was 61-14.

Honestly, I'm just hoping in 3 games we'll figure out to score against Alpine as we are 0-2 against them and they pitched 2 shut-outs, if not we're gonna likely be on the outside looking in which shows just how tough the East really is.

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
HTM -

This is how I figure it, and not just for Minnesotta but for CCC, Battle Creek and RU as well (I let the Hawks and Frogs make their own arguements).

The 10-16 teams are wins for us. Hands down, no contest. That gives us 7 wins off the bat.

We likely go 0-4 against the top 4 teams so that puts us at 7-4.

Now we're into the middle pack of the West teams and I think our victories over the last 5 games speak for our talent. We'd be able to go 4-1, 3-2 or at worst 2-3 against:

5 San Diego Marauders 8-3-0 W1
6 Grand Haven Mist 8-3-0 W3
7 Buffalo Rangers 7-4-0 W4
8 Portland Hitmen 6-5-0 W1
9 Tucson Nighthawks

No distrespect to those teams but I think we lose 2 at the most. So that puts us at 11-5/10-6.

That get's us in the playoffs and at 11-5 possibly in the #5 slot. If you think NSDK is a possible top 4 team in the West our game against them shows where we would be at against the top 4.

That is how I see it - you only have to beat 2 of the middle teir teams to make the playoffs in the West. Oh - and didn't the East beat the West in the championship game last season too after all the "West is Best" stuff?

In the East you've got to game plan all the way down to the 12th ranked team, even if you're a top 4 team (ask the Grizzlies). In the West - you could play a D-Lineman as your kick returner and still win against any team in the bottom 7. My point is further demostrated since in 7 of the 8 games today in the West 90 points or more were scored by one team. The closest score was 61-14.

Honestly, I'm just hoping in 3 games we'll figure out to score against Alpine as we are 0-2 against them and they pitched 2 shut-outs, if not we're gonna likely be on the outside looking in which shows just how tough the East really is.

That shows just how tough the Alpine Golfers really are, not the Eastern conference as a whole. I think the Golfers might be the best team in all of A7, no question - but the title participant winning doesn't speak for the whole conference being better. The East has won the championship 2 out of 3 times, and I think Alpine would be the favorite to win if they advanced to the title game. But where I find fault with your assertion is the part where you say you would definitely go at worst 2-3 against those 5 west teams... in my opinion 2-3 would be a very good record against those teams. RU and CCC both got blown out by Buffalo in preseason, and ironically the Ambush got blown out by both Portland and San Diego... now, granted it's preseason and preseason doesn't mean much but if you get beat that bad it shows the other team definitely has the talent to beat you. Portland is the 8th place team in the west, with losses to Grand Haven and Buffalo. Tuscon were 3 point losers to the number 2 team out west, and 1 point losers to the number 4 team. There is just as much parity amongst the top 9 west teams as there are amongst the middle of the pack east teams, but the difference is that the 9th place team in the west can beat the 1st place team on any given day - I don't think the 5th place team in the East has a prayer against any of the top 3 teams.

In short, your claim that those 7 free wins alone would make you an automatic playoff team is ludicrious - remember ALL the teams get those 7 wins. Do I think it would be impossible for the Ambush? No. But I think beating 2 of the 5-9 teams is a tall order for the teams you mentioned in the East.

They do make nice stat padding games for your QB though.

OK - so this is the last I'll say on it as I am anxiously awaiting the week 12 rankings.

West #1 team is 4-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #2 team is 3-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #3 team is 2-1 against the mid tier teams (and it was the first game of the season)
West #4 team is 4-0 against the mid teir teams

West Mid tier is defined as teams ranked 5-9

Guess I don't see where those 5-9 teams can take out the top 4 in the West.

In the East (Mid Tier is teams ranked 5-12)

East #1 Alpine - undefeated
East #2 NMR - only loss to Alpine
East #3 NSDK - 7-1 against East Mid Tier
East #4 Klamath - 5-1 against East Mid-Tier

Guess it looks about even. And I would say NSDK has a little more than a prayer against the West top 4.

As for us losing in the pre-season, no doubt we lost. We also lost 5 of our first 6 as we tried to get used to the new stamina/training and players. But since then we got back on track and took down three top teams in the East. I'd say if we played San Diego on down 3-2 is most likely. 4-1 if we catch all the breaks and 2-3 if we have a total gaffe somewhere.

Either way that puts us at 9 wins and in. And as I mentioned before RU, Battle Creek and CCC are all in the same boat.

Originally posted by CRich
They do make nice stat padding games for your QB though.

Oh Crich baby, you know how Hugh rolls - you were here the last time he took the A7 passing crown And I'm sure you haven't forgotten him beating you once upon a time.

Yeah, he's definitely enjoying posting ludicrous numbers, but I think if you look at the numbers he's posted against the better teams too it's hard to say he wouldn't be up there anyway.

I know I am a little off topic here but good write up as always zgcreech!

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian

5 San Diego Marauders 8-3-0 W1


No offense, but I don't see us losing to many teams in the Eastern conference. You guys can't even beat Alpine and we've done it twice.. I might just be another player on the team, but I have confidence in my team. I think we'd give the Eastern conference a run for its money. Granted the Western conference has a lot of gutted teams, but we have to pad the stats somewhere.

And your "mid-tier" teams means absoultely nothing. Any team in the west has a chance to make the play offs and come away with atleast a conference title from the 1st team all the way to the 9th. And personally, I think about half the western conference could even take the championship.

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
OK - so this is the last I'll say on it as I am anxiously awaiting the week 12 rankings.

West #1 team is 4-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #2 team is 3-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #3 team is 2-1 against the mid tier teams (and it was the first game of the season)
West #4 team is 4-0 against the mid teir teams

West Mid tier is defined as teams ranked 5-9

Guess I don't see where those 5-9 teams can take out the top 4 in the West.

In the East (Mid Tier is teams ranked 5-12)

East #1 Alpine - undefeated
East #2 NMR - only loss to Alpine
East #3 NSDK - 7-1 against East Mid Tier
East #4 Klamath - 5-1 against East Mid-Tier

Guess it looks about even. And I would say NSDK has a little more than a prayer against the West top 4.

As for us losing in the pre-season, no doubt we lost. We also lost 5 of our first 6 as we tried to get used to the new stamina/training and players. But since then we got back on track and took down three top teams in the East. I'd say if we played San Diego on down 3-2 is most likely. 4-1 if we catch all the breaks and 2-3 if we have a total gaffe somewhere.

Either way that puts us at 9 wins and in. And as I mentioned before RU, Battle Creek and CCC are all in the same boat.

Do you know why Alpine does not have a gold cup on their home page? It is because they lost to San Diego. Despite their win over Alpine, I think the Marauders would agree with me that Alpine is currently the best team in A7. That being said, Alpine has the potential to lose to the top 6, if not top 9 teams in the West. Also while I don't take much stock in preseason games, the last team to beat Alpine in A7 was the Lumberjacks who dismantled because game planning against our conference took too much time. I don't think anyone outside of the top 3 in the East could beat Alpine, which is why no East team has come with in even a touchdown of them during the regular season. Yeah there are some weak teams in our conference that don't deserve to be there. In fact, A7 is very similar to the nba. Last year he Western Conference's 9th seed would have been the 5th seed in the East, yet the bottom teams in the west were much worse than those in the East. The champion may have come from the East, but the west was definitely better overall.

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
HTM -

This is how I figure it, and not just for Minnesotta but for CCC, Battle Creek and RU as well (I let the Hawks and Frogs make their own arguements).

The 10-16 teams are wins for us. Hands down, no contest. That gives us 7 wins off the bat.

We likely go 0-4 against the top 4 teams so that puts us at 7-4.

Now we're into the middle pack of the West teams and I think our victories over the last 5 games speak for our talent. We'd be able to go 4-1, 3-2 or at worst 2-3 against:

5 San Diego Marauders 8-3-0 W1
6 Grand Haven Mist 8-3-0 W3
7 Buffalo Rangers 7-4-0 W4
8 Portland Hitmen 6-5-0 W1
9 Tucson Nighthawks

No distrespect to those teams but I think we lose 2 at the most. So that puts us at 11-5/10-6.

That get's us in the playoffs and at 11-5 possibly in the #5 slot. If you think NSDK is a possible top 4 team in the West our game against them shows where we would be at against the top 4.

That is how I see it - you only have to beat 2 of the middle teir teams to make the playoffs in the West. Oh - and didn't the East beat the West in the championship game last season too after all the "West is Best" stuff?

In the East you've got to game plan all the way down to the 12th ranked team, even if you're a top 4 team (ask the Grizzlies). In the West - you could play a D-Lineman as your kick returner and still win against any team in the bottom 7. My point is further demostrated since in 7 of the 8 games today in the West 90 points or more were scored by one team. The closest score was 61-14.

Honestly, I'm just hoping in 3 games we'll figure out to score against Alpine as we are 0-2 against them and they pitched 2 shut-outs, if not we're gonna likely be on the outside looking in which shows just how tough the East really is.

Well if i could i would swap number 7-9 in the west on our schedule for number 4-6 in the east. I can tell you right now that i have Portland next on our schedule and i'm looking at them the same way i would Spicewood, Silverymoon or the Mustangs as far as gameplanning goes. I know they are a good team and can beat us.

let me edit this before i put out the wrong idea here. I think the 4-6 teams in the east are very good teams and could beat us as well as the #7-#9 in the west. I have just seen what Buffalo, and Portland can do. I don't know as much about Tuscon, but they have good management and a great team as well.

Agreed - the East teams aren't terrible, but I think the top 9 west teams are very good. The parity is obvious. Teams in the west are always blowing out teams that blew out teams that beat them and all kinds of craziness. And yeah, Alpine is an excellent, excellent football team - but San Diego having beaten them is a good point. We have gut jobs out here, but 2 of them are because playing in our division is a bitch and a half, 1 is because the owner disappeared, and the others are relegation jobs. The reason East teams dont gut is because they don't just have this wall of teams preventing them from doing anything.

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
OK - so this is the last I'll say on it as I am anxiously awaiting the week 12 rankings.

West #1 team is 4-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #2 team is 3-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #3 team is 2-1 against the mid tier teams (and it was the first game of the season)
West #4 team is 4-0 against the mid teir teams

West Mid tier is defined as teams ranked 5-9

Guess I don't see where those 5-9 teams can take out the top 4 in the West.


I am now about to beat a horse that is dead, buried, and covered with maggots - but this is a misleading stat.

#1 Oakland wins over 'mid tier' West teams - 4 points against Grand Haven, 4 points against Buffalo, a blowout against Tuscon, and a blowout against San Diego

#2 Albuquerque wins over mid tier West teams - 3 points over Tuscon, 6 points over Portland, 1 point over San Diego

#3 Spicewood wins over mid tier West teams - 35 points over portland, 17 points over Tuscon, but a 19 point beating at the hands of San Diego

#4 Silverymoon wins over mid tier West teams - 7 points over portland, blowout over san diego, blowout over grand haven, 1 point over tuscon.

To put it further in perspective, look at the records of the top 4 teams against each other. Oakland blew out albuquerque and got blown out by silverymoon, who lost to both albuquerque and spicewood. Albuquerque beat Spicewood in a close game.

The maze of close wins and blowouts throughout the West teams from both tiers to me shows that gameplanning makes a huge difference in our league because talentwise the teams are all good and all even.

Originally posted by rj414
Agreed - the East teams aren't terrible, but I think the top 9 west teams are very good. The parity is obvious. Teams in the west are always blowing out teams that blew out teams that beat them and all kinds of craziness. And yeah, Alpine is an excellent, excellent football team - but San Diego having beaten them is a good point. We have gut jobs out here, but 2 of them are because playing in our division is a bitch and a half, 1 is because the owner disappeared, and the others are relegation jobs. The reason East teams dont gut is because they don't just have this wall of teams preventing them from doing anything.

They don't have a wall? They have alot bigger wall than the West. If I remember right the last two teams to advance out of the East were low seeds. Any team in the East can take over in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Jackhammer1
Originally posted by eastcoastbrian

OK - so this is the last I'll say on it as I am anxiously awaiting the week 12 rankings.

West #1 team is 4-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #2 team is 3-0 against the mid-tier teams
West #3 team is 2-1 against the mid tier teams (and it was the first game of the season)
West #4 team is 4-0 against the mid teir teams

West Mid tier is defined as teams ranked 5-9

Guess I don't see where those 5-9 teams can take out the top 4 in the West.

In the East (Mid Tier is teams ranked 5-12)

East #1 Alpine - undefeated
East #2 NMR - only loss to Alpine
East #3 NSDK - 7-1 against East Mid Tier
East #4 Klamath - 5-1 against East Mid-Tier

Guess it looks about even. And I would say NSDK has a little more than a prayer against the West top 4.

As for us losing in the pre-season, no doubt we lost. We also lost 5 of our first 6 as we tried to get used to the new stamina/training and players. But since then we got back on track and took down three top teams in the East. I'd say if we played San Diego on down 3-2 is most likely. 4-1 if we catch all the breaks and 2-3 if we have a total gaffe somewhere.

Either way that puts us at 9 wins and in. And as I mentioned before RU, Battle Creek and CCC are all in the same boat.

Do you know why Alpine does not have a gold cup on their home page? It is because they lost to San Diego. Despite their win over Alpine, I think the Marauders would agree with me that Alpine is currently the best team in A7. That being said, Alpine has the potential to lose to the top 6, if not top 9 teams in the West. Also while I don't take much stock in preseason games, the last team to beat Alpine in A7 was the Lumberjacks who dismantled because game planning against our conference took too much time. I don't think anyone outside of the top 3 in the East could beat Alpine, which is why no East team has come with in even a touchdown of them during the regular season. Yeah there are some weak teams in our conference that don't deserve to be there. In fact, A7 is very similar to the nba. Last year he Western Conference's 9th seed would have been the 5th seed in the East, yet the bottom teams in the west were much worse than those in the East. The champion may have come from the East, but the west was definitely better overall.

If you want to use that, Harrisburg blew out Grand Haven in the scrimmages. 17-0. Grand Haven had 87 total yards of offense compared to our 350. I know it was pre season but just pointing out an example of why what you are saying doesn't work.

Originally posted by rj414
Agreed - the East teams aren't terrible, but I think the top 9 west teams are very good. The parity is obvious. Teams in the west are always blowing out teams that blew out teams that beat them and all kinds of craziness. And yeah, Alpine is an excellent, excellent football team - but San Diego having beaten them is a good point. We have gut jobs out here, but 2 of them are because playing in our division is a bitch and a half, 1 is because the owner disappeared, and the others are relegation jobs. The reason East teams dont gut is because they don't just have this wall of teams preventing them from doing anything.


the reason i sold the Voodoo is because of a "WALL". i got tire and frustrated of not being able to recruit anyone to help us get over said "wall".

the only reason the Voodoo wasn't gutted is because of the new owner and GMs that came in. their enthusiasm and track record in other leagues kept my players there, and therefor; kept my friends and their players from leaving.

Originally posted by SAVAGE OPS
Originally posted by rj414

Agreed - the East teams aren't terrible, but I think the top 9 west teams are very good. The parity is obvious. Teams in the west are always blowing out teams that blew out teams that beat them and all kinds of craziness. And yeah, Alpine is an excellent, excellent football team - but San Diego having beaten them is a good point. We have gut jobs out here, but 2 of them are because playing in our division is a bitch and a half, 1 is because the owner disappeared, and the others are relegation jobs. The reason East teams dont gut is because they don't just have this wall of teams preventing them from doing anything.

They don't have a wall? They have alot bigger wall than the West. If I remember right the last two teams to advance out of the East were low seeds. Any team in the East can take over in the playoffs.

Yep, you are correct. The only team that has dominated the East the entire season and through the playoffs were the Fins. 2 seasons ago you had Bat Stars come out from the 4 seed I believe and Chicago was 3-4 last season. Also the East teams don't gut because we are dedicated to our teams. Harrisburg hasn't been able to get over that wall since season 2 but we aren't gutting.