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Mostly I think that consistency is pretty low.

Originally posted by Stixx
Possession WRs are ded. If you don't have at least 70+ speed and quickness then you probably aren't going to be successful this season.

Yeah, the increase in the power of deflections has made this S* Pro WR useless:

100 Rec Hands
98 CiT
90 Rec Con
64 Rec Grip
60 Rec Aware
60 Route Tech
60 Route Aware
57 Vertical
45 Balance

Gold Prime Time
Gold Head Fake
6'6
235 Lbs

1/6 on targets.

Including:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/369127?player_id=87581 - Drop (nice 100 Rec hands, 98 CiT, and 90 Rec Con... good investment).
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/369734?player_id=87581 - Another Drop. Great.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/370475?player_id=87581 - Deflection. Fine, that's the nature of a possession WR.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/370001?player_id=87581 - Failed a catch in traffic roll.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/368671?player_id=87581 - Deflection. Fine.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/371602?player_id=87581 - Lord almighty a catch!
Too bad it was on a route that a Possession WR shouldn't be counting on for receptions.


If you are going to make it easier for CBs to deflect the ball, the Catch in Traffic ability is going to need to do something to keep the CB from getting into position to make the deflection. Otherwise, if the CB is just getting a free chance at the ball that makes it impossible to catch.

If you can't get open you should have less of a chance to catch the ball.

That guy has to have only 25-30 speed. It's like a slug moving around. In some of those, the corners aren't even close to having their back pedal broken. In the 1st play you listed, the corner's backpedaling almost as fast as the WR is running.

I think in some of those, higher throwing power could benefit the WR. If he's actually able to make it to the point of the route where he's supposed to break, the window is so minute the QB has to launch it in. Otherwise the corner has more than enough time to close, which is part of what happened.

Originally posted by kaiijy
I believe Rob is talking about my CB.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/74225

You're welcome to throw your assumptions now.

what i will say is its pretty amazing he only had 5 missed tackles last season

Originally posted by Parab00n
You are pretty low on a few key areas to put you in the INT range

Which are...

Originally posted by Sov88
what i will say is its pretty amazing he only had 5 missed tackles last season

It is impossible to invest in intercepting and even scratch the necessities to break a run block, don't even get started on tackling.

On the passing side, there are also more CBs well built for the passing game (as hard as it is to stop). Seems like build-wise we had corrections for stop rush offenses and now people have jumped to corrections for pass offenses. There were some mean coverage builds on the market this offseason.

I know my team of more blended secondary builds still gets ripped apart by possession WR's, lol.

Originally posted by Parab00n
If you can't get open you should have less of a chance to catch the ball.

On a lot of those short in or slant routes, many TEs and WRs count on larger body size and vertical to box out the defender and make the catch.

The problem is that being a physical receiver means nothing in this game until the moment the ball is caught and you have the chance to break the tackle.

Instead, the only catch comes on a head faked long route. Is that really how this game has to be played? You should have fast/physical CBs that shadow the speedsters really well and don't need a ton of deflecting skills to win because the speedster doesn't have the hands or the CiT to make the catch when covered. Then you should have tall/strong CBs that do well against the possession types because they don't get boxed out from the ball.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
That guy has to have only 25-30 speed. It's like a slug moving around. In some of those, the corners aren't even close to having their back pedal broken. In the 1st play you listed, the corner's backpedaling almost as fast as the WR is running.

I think in some of those, higher throwing power could benefit the WR. If he's actually able to make it to the point of the route where he's supposed to break, the window is so minute the QB has to launch it in. Otherwise the corner has more than enough time to close, which is part of what happened.

The QB should also be able to pinpoint a short throw to a spot where the slow WR still has a chance at it. If the CB in man coverage jumps the route by going around the WR, yeah there ought to be a deflection. But a S* QB should be able to put the ball in a spot where the possession WR is the only one who can get there.

A ten yard slant on a quick read to a big WR with a good vertical and big hands should be a lot tougher to stop when the CB is playing the outside and the WR is cutting to the inside.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/150677/369127?player_id=87581

I mean, the CB actually runs right THROUGH the WR to make the play. Like phased right through his back. No wonder the WR made the drop, he just had a man phase through his body.

Season 8:
Dinos v Dotball, playoffs 40-17
Dinos v INH6 23-21

Season 9:
Dinos v Dotball 3-71
Dinos v INH6 7-59

This game sucks now.

Thanks Bort and Corndog for killing the team i built for 8 seasons.

yeah how dare my team get better from pro to vet

tbf, INHS just became a veteran team.

edit: Yup, what Mysterio said.

Originally posted by Mysterio
yeah how dare my team get better from pro to vet



Cant believe i didnt see that...

I am sure (afraid) there will be many more examples this season of my team sucking

Originally posted by Time Trial
The QB should also be able to pinpoint a short throw to a spot where the slow WR still has a chance at it. If the CB in man coverage jumps the route by going around the WR, yeah there ought to be a deflection. But a S* QB should be able to put the ball in a spot where the possession WR is the only one who can get there.

It's not just putting it in the right spot. It's putting it there before the CB has time to react and get in position.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
It's not just putting it in the right spot. It's putting it there before the CB has time to react and get in position.

Yeah, but there's a whole window there to put it in to.

Problem is, only two of those were incomplete because the defender actually knocked the ball away without giving the WR a chance to make the catch.

When a possession WR gets two drops and fails a Catch in Traffic roll, that's where I'm having issues. If the 100 Rec Hands 90 Rec Con 98 CiT WR gets a chance to put his hands on the ball, he should be coming down with it. That's the trade-off for the lack of speed and the inability to make those long yardage plays.

You make a lot of eight yard catches, so long as the CB doesn't knock the ball away. But when the CB fails to knock the ball away, you make the catch way more often than not.

Otherwise you might as well drop the cookie-cutter now, because if you can't break the big gain and you can't reliably catch in coverage, what is the point of building anything but a speedster?

Simply possession guys are now guys with 65-80 speed. I'd never call that a speedster anyway.