Warrior General Games

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Pure Elusive (Strengthless) aka Reggie Bush, Eric Metcalf
Atts = 125 Speed, 80 Agility, 68 Carrying, 68 Vision, 48 Stamina, 48 Confidence, 48 Strength
VA's = Quick Feet, Clever Instincts, Slippery, Clutch
SA's = Quick Cut 3, Head Fake 9 Juke 9, Slippery 9
AEQ = 40% Fake

There is no way you can bump Strength to 70 on that type of build.

Ok but I mean a Metcalf would have more agility. Maybe 110/95 or 115/90.

Originally posted by blln4lyf
A 4 month old baby. Breaking a tackle is just running through a guy while faking is just moving so that he gets thrown off balance..it shouldn't be a specialized skill except to enhance it. The inherent chance should be possible imo.

thank you.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Pure Elusive (Strengthless) aka Reggie Bush, Eric Metcalf
Atts = 125 Speed, 80 Agility, 68 Carrying, 68 Vision, 48 Stamina, 48 Confidence, 48 Strength
VA's = Quick Feet, Clever Instincts, Slippery, Clutch
SA's = Quick Cut 3, Head Fake 9 Juke 9, Slippery 9
AEQ = 40% Fake

There is no way you can bump Strength to 70 on that type of build.

Quick Cut 3? Only 80 Agility? Lol

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Exactly but if a guy specializes in running AWAY from defenders, why the hell should he need any strength.

Are you kidding?

You must be kidding.

61 Strength is a perfectly reasonable number for any HB looking to touch the ball more than 3 times a game.

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt

Pure Elusive (Strengthless) aka Reggie Bush, Eric Metcalf
Atts = 125 Speed, 80 Agility, 68 Carrying, 68 Vision, 48 Stamina, 48 Confidence, 48 Strength
VA's = Quick Feet, Clever Instincts, Slippery, Clutch
SA's = Quick Cut 3, Head Fake 9 Juke 9, Slippery 9
AEQ = 40% Fake

There is no way you can bump Strength to 70 on that type of build.

Less Speed more Agility imo

How can you say less speed? When a guy like Metcalf was rumored to run 4.2 seconds. Same could be said with Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson. Those dudes have elite speed. Just as fast as WR's.

Originally posted by jrry32
Ok but I mean a Metcalf would have more agility. Maybe 110/95 or 115/90.

This. People are skewing a Speed back with an elusive back because of how the sim has treated high agility backs. I feel like this is the exact reason this thread is even in existence.

Until Barry Sanders last season he always got dragged down from behind due to running out of gas at the end of his amazing runs. I think he was always considered quick but not blazing fast.

I agree that the current best elusive backs have 120 speed and 74 to 80 agility but I think the average builder considers an elusive back to be a little slower. So they build that way.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
How can you say less speed? When a guy like Metcalf was rumored to run 4.2 seconds. Same could be said with Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson. Those dudes have elite speed. Just as fast as WR's.

Well they need more agility and it has to come from somewhere.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Originally posted by Phil Jackson

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt


Pure Elusive (Strengthless) aka Reggie Bush, Eric Metcalf
Atts = 125 Speed, 80 Agility, 68 Carrying, 68 Vision, 48 Stamina, 48 Confidence, 48 Strength
VA's = Quick Feet, Clever Instincts, Slippery, Clutch
SA's = Quick Cut 3, Head Fake 9 Juke 9, Slippery 9
AEQ = 40% Fake

There is no way you can bump Strength to 70 on that type of build.

Less Speed more Agility imo

How can you say less speed? When a guy like Metcalf was rumored to run 4.2 seconds. Same could be said with Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson. Those dudes have elite speed. Just as fast as WR's.

Ok but they have much more agility than that. They were about as quick as fast.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
How can you say less speed? When a guy like Metcalf was rumored to run 4.2 seconds. Same could be said with Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson. Those dudes have elite speed. Just as fast as WR's.

Touchdown Thurman Thomas

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt

Pure Elusive (Strengthless) aka Reggie Bush, Eric Metcalf
Atts = 125 Speed, 80 Agility, 68 Carrying, 68 Vision, 48 Stamina, 48 Confidence, 48 Strength
VA's = Quick Feet, Clever Instincts, Slippery, Clutch
SA's = Quick Cut 3, Head Fake 9 Juke 9, Slippery 9
AEQ = 40% Fake

There is no way you can bump Strength to 70 on that type of build.

Quick Cut 3? Only 80 Agility? Lol

Originally posted by Phil Jackson

Exactly but if a guy specializes in running AWAY from defenders, why the hell should he need any strength.

Are you kidding?

You must be kidding.

61 Strength is a perfectly reasonable number for any HB looking to touch the ball more than 3 times a game.

Sorry I looked at Quick Cut and edited it to 5.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by jrry32

This, I have seen power HBs IRL fake guys out. There should be an inherent ability to take.
No. Some power HBs in "real football" can juke people, but powerbacks in GLB can invest in Head Fake or Juke. I promise you that being able to fake defenders is not something inherent to all running backs. Many who try are completely inept.

Attempting a fake=/=being able to fake a defender.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by jdbolick


Sounds good, but I still think that perhaps even one league of 32 CPU teams for guys up to level 20 would help considerably, since it's asking a lot to have new people learn the game and start over within 40 days. I had this one guy ( http://goallineblitz.com/game/home.pl?user_id=351219 ) keep asking me if I had a spot for him on my team, but I just didn't at that time. I tried my best to point him to PLFT and the marketplace, but his players were built as badly as any new person's probably would be, so he got no interest. He ended up playing out his D-league season and left. That's what prompted me to decide to make my team a home for players who can't find a job anywhere else, but one 55 man roster can only do so much.

What if all CPU owned teams could make offers to appropriate leveled players again? It might make some of those CPU teams more competitive as a benefit?

This was suggested several seasons ago - make it happen - allow every player not on a team to have CPU offers

Originally posted by kurieg
Are you kidding?

You must be kidding.

61 Strength is a perfectly reasonable number for any HB looking to touch the ball more than 3 times a game.

Why does an elusive need strength? I don't care about reasonable numbers what the hell is it going to do for the build?

This is my exact problem and why this thread is happening. The sim has made "Elusive Backs" into combo backs (61+ str) or speed backs.

Originally posted by kurieg
Are you kidding?

You must be kidding.

61 Strength is a perfectly reasonable number for any HB looking to touch the ball more than 3 times a game.

for what if they are just going to be evading tackles, not trying to break them...

Originally posted by MRIGUY
Let me put it another way....Strength and carrying break tackles whether you have SAs or not....Agility does not execute fakes unless you have SAs....That in itself makes it more difficult for the elusive back than the power back. An ealr ypower back can great break tackle % AE and it rolls. An early elusive back gets fake chance % AE and it does nothing until he has SAs...
Incorrect, as you can see just from watching punt replays. You can create a lot of yards just by taking paths that move you away from defenders, since they then have to react and adjust angles themselves. That's what elusives should theoretically be doing, but the pathing is very hard to pin down. Instead they end up doing a lot of pin-balling.


Originally posted by jrry32
But they have the ability to make the moves. I mean if Bort at least allowed high agility RBs to make better cuts and cutbacks, that would do some of it because even big fat power HBs who can't juke worth a damn can make guys miss because of a cutback move. I don't mean fake as in use juke or head fake, I mean use a quick cut or cutback to cause the guy to go off balance because he can't change direction quick enough to keep up with the HB.
We need to be careful with our terms. By "fake" we should mean the specific ability to freeze defenders. I agree that HBs utilizing an elusive running style should be much better at creating as much distance as possible from defenders while continuing to move upfield, but I don't want to see them gain an innate ability to freeze defenders in place. Heck, it's not like it's impossible for someone to put some points into Head Fake or Juke. Even powerbacks can find the SPs to add a little.


Originally posted by blln4lyf
Attempting a fake=/=being able to fake a defender.
Can you imagine the holy forum hell that would result if HBs suddenly started pausing because they kept trying and failing to fake defenders? Better to leave well enough alone.