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Deathblade
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Originally posted by Gturtle
Now, back to the Restructureament.

I'm saying it's not going to work, because I will troll it. Where as now, where CPL meta-trolls GG threads, in their own GG sub-forum, the GG dot crowd will be lured in under a false idea of security, which I will abuse, and then proceed to elicit hilarious reactions from. What's worse, going hunting for deer and waiting for them to wander by your deer blind, or going hunting for deer, and baiting them to your deer blind?


The former, but only if you kill them with a sword, ldo
 
Procrustes
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Originally posted by Gturtle
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
can't prove a structural solution is needed when the only evidence points to a causal link with shitty mods.

mods aren't structure.
unless you're saying that the only reason certain mods are shitty is because of the current moderation structure.


I'd say the only reason shitty mods are still mods are because of the current shitty moderation structure.


well, now you've got yourself a structural argument.

but a mod purge still isn't the answer until you change the moderation structure first.

 
Procrustes
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Originally posted by Gturtle
I'd agree that most outsiders hate what they believe CPL is.


most people would hate that myth.

not just outsiders.
 
Apple Dapple
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle

I'd agree that most outsiders hate what they believe CPL is.


most people would hate that myth.

not just outsiders.


i certainly do.
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by Catullus 16


although the next step is to say that anyone conscious of this structure can't complain about inevitable results.


But we already know the outcomes...which is a dead forum because the majority of CPL doesn't care. Just like all of the srs CPL private forums are dead, aside from a GG thread once or twice a season.


I just described every other league forum btw


to be fair, a lot of the reason that CPL private forums are doomed to fail are threefold. The people who make them are the same type of people you don't want to be a moderator, they're power hungry, they're controlling, and they take the internet seriously. The second part is that after the novelty of the first season or so wears off, they stop recruiting new members- which means their current member base stagnates, and starts to die off.

The third part is that if any serious dot discussion began taking place, they'd get banned for collusion.
 
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

can't prove a structural solution is needed when the only evidence points to a causal link with shitty mods.

mods aren't structure.
unless you're saying that the only reason certain mods are shitty is because of the current moderation structure.


I'd say the only reason shitty mods are still mods are because of the current shitty moderation structure.


well, now you've got yourself a structural argument.

but a mod purge still isn't the answer until you change the moderation structure first.



Which is what I mentioned on IRC, and had AD copy-paste over here.
 
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Gturtle

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

can't prove a structural solution is needed when the only evidence points to a causal link with shitty mods.

mods aren't structure.
unless you're saying that the only reason certain mods are shitty is because of the current moderation structure.


I'd say the only reason shitty mods are still mods are because of the current shitty moderation structure.


well, now you've got yourself a structural argument.

but a mod purge still isn't the answer until you change the moderation structure first.



But either way, it's necessary.
 
Asheme
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Oh sweet mercy this thread exploded.

I'm assuming cat responded to every post individually?
 
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Originally posted by Asheme
Oh sweet mercy this thread exploded.

I'm assuming cat responded to every post individually?


ofc.

read them all now.
 
Procrustes
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
ah, but that's a naturalistic defense... similar to "everyone's a bit racist" and even "vote with your dollars".
of course, i'm the one pimping structural solutions, so whatever.

But your "structural solutions" wouldn't solve anything.,

If the GG forum is active (which I doubt it will be), it would just cause more tension between the two groups, while they would still get trolled.

If the GG forum is dead from only 4-5 people being interested, 3 of which are on the same team...then they still don't enjoy the league forum.


hey... we're finally back on topic! (thanks deathblade)

the GG crowd will have to be satisfied with what's in the realm of the possible. if the 4-5 people scenario is all that's possible, then that's all they'd get if the CPL was dismantled anyway, right?

and i fail to see how an inactive GG forum would cause tension... and the point is that they wouldn't get trolled since there's no point, right?

the idea here isn't to give everyone their pretty pony and their castle in the sky... it's to come up with a structural solution to preclude any complaints. the existence of a CPL-free GG forum means that no one can ever complain about the CPL ever again... sounds win-win to me.
 
Deathblade
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Originally posted by Asheme
Oh sweet mercy this thread exploded.

I'm assuming cat responded to every post individually?


Yep, 15-20 minutes behind the conversation.

If we quit now, he would still be responding by the time we woke up tomorrow.
Edited by Deathblade on Jun 13, 2009 18:38:19
 
Procrustes
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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
YOU STILL HAVENT PM'd ME YOU COCKFACE


STOP POSTING THEN.
 
Asheme
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I feel like I'm watching tivo.
 
Procrustes
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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
can't prove a structural solution is needed when the only evidence points to a causal link with shitty mods.

mods aren't structure.
unless you're saying that the only reason certain mods are shitty is because of the current moderation structure.

I know mods aren't structure. Tha'ts... actually the point of the post to which you were responding.


this has been addressed, right?

(cf. my reply to gturtle)

 
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Also, this entire thing is weird to me, because aside from the obvious people (onepeat, SI, Ubass, Kostitsyn) I'm probably one of the most targeted people in CPL. Not by CPL itself, but rather by any and every idiot that thinks he's got the testicles to start something in CPL. There have probably been 15 "mothers basement" comments made about me by 15 different people, probably another 13 avatar insults, probably another 4 or 5 name insults; insults attacking their perception of my real life, etcetera, etcetera. I've reported none of them, and I can only assume that the total summation of their bans totals less than the ban I'm currently pseudo serving.

I literally don't comprehend why people would rather run to the moderators at the first sign of an insult, because a temp forum ban is about as life changing as swatting a fly (well, not for the fly, ldo)
 
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