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Originally posted by OtisDriftwood


I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.

Originally posted by vladykins
Originally posted by OtisDriftwood



I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.



That is a good point. These leagues would NOT be receiving a cap.

Originally posted by MadcatWillie
Another issue is having this thread in a general forum. Many owners do not check forums at all. I bet if Bort sent PMs to all the EE A owners (which would be silly), he'd probably get a better slice of overall pie. I'd put my money on 80/20 for/against if there was a way to get every single owner's opinion.

Yeah maybe. This in no way shape or form shows it truly from either side. 256 teams and only 50 of them got in a vote for or against? That's a lot of uncounted votes. And really couldn't do that in a thread b/c no offense but that was enough to sort through lmao

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by vladykins

Originally posted by OtisDriftwood




I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.



That is a good point. These leagues would NOT be receiving a cap.

Thank you Bort for saying that in here, I've tried telling them that. They all choose to glaze over it.

Originally posted by OtisDriftwood
Originally posted by Bort

I want to thank JcWildcat for his hard work of doing the tallying - much appreciated, man!

You guys are not making this easy on me...26% of the vote says no, and I was hoping to see more like 90% for it and 10 against to make me think about going back on things.

Also, another wrench: I was just discussing this in regard to next season's structure update and doing a shuffle in the non-bottom tier here, with 16 BBBs below is possibly going to cause problems for the restructure setup, as in long term it would quite possibly cause more issues than you are seeing today, making us promote entire BBB leagues up to take over the CPU leagues that would be created and such. You have to realize that this shuffling thing is merely to get us ready to go for a much bigger restructure.

I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it. We need a Branch or Region only for cap leagues, all the way from top to bottom. Alot of people want to stick together, but this promotion style never lets that happen. Start a Dynasty league, with longer contracts, more 3 and 4 season contracts with no trades allowed. Only signing free agents in your level. That way teams can grow together and create rivalries. No need to promote in those leagues either. Since every team will grow in levels at the same pace. If somethings not done next season to even out leagues, I will no longer be an owner or spend money on this game. So thats about 100$ a month you're losing bro. Please fix it soon .

What would end up kinda like a dynasty has been suggested. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2304445

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by vladykins

Originally posted by OtisDriftwood




I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.



That is a good point. These leagues would NOT be receiving a cap.

What is the reasoning behind that? Why not throw reasonable caps on after a shuffle?

The promotions that are hardest are those of us who were expansion teams last year in 13 cap BBBs that now are EEA uncapped with teams in the league already having full stadium builds. My 2 stadium sections + this offseason construction won't compete with full stadiums AND 35+ level players. Hell, the most my team I won with last season could boost to was 23-24. We didn't get moved in a logical manner to a 21 or 24 cap league. We basically went from playing for the local Class-A ballclub to facing the Yankees in 1 offseason, with half our stadiums still covered in cows. My team can compete in a 24 cap league. In uncapped A league, Bort gets a free 400 flex "wait til next year" payment from me. And I get to spend next offseason recruiting to replace players who got their asses kicked for a season and get discouraged and leave.

I dunno about you guys, but the agents who helped me win last season deserve any chance I can give them to compete fairly. I'm for a shuffle, though my lateness to the thread is unlikely to influence the decision.

Owner - EEA8 Krakow Kings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7184

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by vladykins

Originally posted by OtisDriftwood




I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.



That is a good point. These leagues would NOT be receiving a cap.

Oh you can compete. http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6559

But there are a lot of teams still that don't belong like http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6594

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=406465

37, possible 38 for and 13 against with Gergie's vote

Originally posted by Gergie
The promotions that are hardest are those of us who were expansion teams last year in 13 cap BBBs that now are EEA uncapped with teams in the league already having full stadium builds. My 2 stadium sections + this offseason construction won't compete with full stadiums AND 35+ level players. Hell, the most my team I won with last season could boost to was 23-24. We didn't get moved in a logical manner to a 21 or 24 cap league. We basically went from playing for the local Class-A ballclub to facing the Yankees in 1 offseason, with half our stadiums still covered in cows. My team can compete in a 24 cap league. In uncapped A league, Bort gets a free 400 flex "wait til next year" payment from me. And I get to spend next offseason recruiting to replace players who got their asses kicked for a season and get discouraged and leave.

I dunno about you guys, but the agents who helped me win last season deserve any chance I can give them to compete fairly. I'm for a shuffle, though my lateness to the thread is unlikely to influence the decision.

Owner - EEA8 Krakow Kings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7184

+1

Originally posted by Gergie
The promotions that are hardest are those of us who were expansion teams last year in 13 cap BBBs that now are EEA uncapped with teams in the league already having full stadium builds. My 2 stadium sections + this offseason construction won't compete with full stadiums AND 35+ level players. Hell, the most my team I won with last season could boost to was 23-24. We didn't get moved in a logical manner to a 21 or 24 cap league. We basically went from playing for the local Class-A ballclub to facing the Yankees in 1 offseason, with half our stadiums still covered in cows. My team can compete in a 24 cap league. In uncapped A league, Bort gets a free 400 flex "wait til next year" payment from me. And I get to spend next offseason recruiting to replace players who got their asses kicked for a season and get discouraged and leave.

I dunno about you guys, but the agents who helped me win last season deserve any chance I can give them to compete fairly. I'm for a shuffle, though my lateness to the thread is unlikely to influence the decision.

Owner - EEA8 Krakow Kings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7184

well said

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by vladykins


Originally posted by OtisDriftwood





I think most of the people that dont want a restructor are the ones that are going to beat up on the smaller teams. You seriously need to do something about it.

Wrong. Experience in EEA1 shows that BBB level teams can come up and compete in EEA, and do so well. I think the BBB teams moving up are more scared than they need to be and they will perform better than they expect. And again, as I've stated, you only put off the inevitable- some time, you are going to play somebody at a tier, whether it's Pro, AAA, AA, or A, that outlevels you. Even more, as has been stated, the shuffle would only create equal "competition" up until the shuffle, then someone is free to bring in whoever they want. In fact, if I have higher level players now, I'm actually encouraged to temp drop them in order to end up in a lower level league, then rehire them. Lords know it's gonna be at least six days before the season starts, so I have plenty of time to rehire them.



That is a good point. These leagues would NOT be receiving a cap.

What is the reasoning behind that? Why not throw reasonable caps on after a shuffle?

Because the A League isn't normally capped and some teams that might end up in one of the leagues you want to cap may have a player or 2 higher level than the cap.

Then let them keep those players, just make them unable to sign anymore above the cap.

The A leagues with BBB leagues aren't capped. The lowest tier A's now have caps.

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
Then let them keep those players, just make them unable to sign anymore above the cap.

I have been saying that it wouldn't have a cap ever since JcJayhawk and myself got it clarified by Bort in a thread made about the level 40 player with the rest cpus announcement.